[Laker14]

I have the thin pavers over a concrete driveway. Quite a few of them are broken.
When I Google "pavers" or any "buy pavers" or "replace pavers" I get lots of hits for services to have pavers installed, but no luck on a place to go buy them.

Lowes has some on their website, but from what I can tell, none in the store, so I won't be able to walk in with one for a color match.

Any leads?

[vintageogauge]

Lowe's on 466A has pavers in their garden section toward the rear and toward the right side walking back. If you can't find them just ask someone If you know who put the pavers in that would be your best bet for matching them.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by vintageogauge

Lowe's on 466A has pavers in their garden section toward the rear and toward the right side walking back. If you can't find them just ask someone If you know who put the pavers in that would be your best bet for matching them.

thanks, I'll check out Lowe's. The previous owner of our house said she couldn't remember who put the pavers down, but she did remember they weren't in business anymore.

[BruceMi]

The paver manufacturer is in Brooksville, Fl. Flagstone pavers is their name. Phone - 352-799-7933. You’ll probably have to drive to the plant to confirm size and color.
Take several pavers with you.
This is where most of the contractors get the pavers.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by BruceMi

The paver manufacturer is in Brooksville, Fl. Flagstone pavers is their name. Phone - 352-799-7933. You’ll probably have to drive to the plant to confirm size and color.
Take several pavers with you.
This is where most of the contractors get the pavers.

Thank you.

[villagetinker]

Your other option is to take out GOOD pavers and form a pattern. Use these to replace broken pavers, and put new pavers to fill in the pattern, no need to match! Design your pattern so it can be expanded as you will have more breakage in the future.

[JoelJohnson]

What's the best way to secure the pavers to a cement driveway?

[villagetinker]

IMHO, I would check with a current supplier for this info, but from what I have seen ONLY the border pavers are glued, the interior paver just lay on the concrete and are held in place with polymorphic(?) sand. I believe this is the reason that so many of the thin pavers crack.

[vintageogauge]

Originally Posted by JoelJohnson

What's the best way to secure the pavers to a cement driveway?

First, don't use the thin pavers as you too will be looking for replacements in the very near future. Second, get a reputable installer and save the hassle of trying to do it yourself. The hardest part I believe would be cutting out the concrete in front of your garage to get the pavers level with the floor as well as getting them to be level with the side drains on your street, next would be having all 4 sides even, driveways are not all that square and the steeper the driveway the more concrete you have to cut out on either end.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by vintageogauge

First, don't use the thin pavers as you too will be looking for replacements in the very near future. Second, get a reputable installer and save the hassle of trying to do it yourself. The hardest part I believe would be cutting out the concrete in front of your garage to get the pavers level with the floor as well as getting them to be level with the side drains on your street, next would be having all 4 sides even, driveways are not all that square and the steeper the driveway the more concrete you have to cut out on either end.

yeah,,,but....what if you bought a home that already has the thin pavers. And what if what you want to accomplish is to rehabilitate the driveway to a point that it looks nice, and with the knowledge and skills acquired, won't be an overwhelming task to maintain, year by year. And what if all you really wanted to know was "what is the best way to adhere the (thin) paver to the concrete driveway", and what if you had already considered a bunch of alternatives, including scrapping the thin pavers, but had decided you didn't want to scrap all of that existing investment?

[vintageogauge]

Originally Posted by Laker14

yeah,,,but....what if you bought a home that already has the thin pavers. And what if what you want to accomplish is to rehabilitate the driveway to a point that it looks nice, and with the knowledge and skills acquired, won't be an overwhelming task to maintain, year by year. And what if all you really wanted to know was "what is the best way to adhere the (thin) paver to the concrete driveway", and what if you had already considered a bunch of alternatives, including scrapping the thin pavers, but had decided you didn't want to scrap all of that existing investment?

My reply was to Joel, not to you. But what if?

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by vintageogauge

My reply was to Joel, not to you. But what if?

As well meaning as you surely meant to be, you didn't really reply to Joel at all. The question was "what is the best way to secure pavers to a cement driveway". Instead, you addressed the issue of thin vs.thick pavers, and doing it yourself vs. having reputable installer do it.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by JoelJohnson

What's the best way to secure the pavers to a cement driveway?

May not be the answer you would want to hear, but removing the concrete would give best results.
Pavers sit best on a base of well 'whacked' mixed ballast (in UK we call it Type1) then a final layer, about 2 inches, of levelled and well 'whacked' sharp sand. You then have a levelling topping of sharp sand on which to lay pavers.
Then 'whack the pavers down after filling joints with kiln dried sand.
Drive a tank over that, and no breakages!

Unless you have a substancial amount of sand between concrete and pavers, breakages can be pretty much be expected.
Hard against hard without a decent cushion, is not the best scenario.

[Laker14]

I can't speak for Joel, but speaking for myself, I'm not looking for the best long term result. I'm not married to the idea that I will always want this paver driveway.
I may very well decide to have the pavers removed and have a decorative surface treatment done over the existing, but now thinly covered, concrete.

I understand that thin pavers over concrete is not the best way to go, and were I starting from scratch, I wouldn't do it. However, this is the current hand I have. What I want to explore is the possibility of making it a little nicer than it is, myself, and trying it for. a few years to see what the yearly effort will be to keep it maintained to a standard I can accept.

I can't speak for Joel, but I do have the same question. When the driveway was originally done this way, the pavers along the border were bonded, and the pavers in between were set on a thin layer of sand. My guess is that very little, if any, ongoing maintenance has been done, so now I'm looking at quite a few of those border pavers having come loose, and quite a few in between have fractured.

I don't want to dig up concrete and put in proper pavers, because I may want that concrete intact later for a different treatment. I understand that I'm looking for a band-aid, and that as long as I stay with the thin pavers, I will always be dealing with cracking and debonding. I want to be able to deal with those issues in the best possible way, as opposed to making a big investment now in a more stable, longterm solution, because I'm not sure which way I want to go. Also, things are pretty backed up in this line of service right now, and it will be months and months before I could get the job done correctly.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by villagetinker

IMHO, I would check with a current supplier for this info, but from what I have seen ONLY the border pavers are glued, the interior paver just lay on the concrete and are held in place with polymorphic(?) sand. I believe this is the reason that so many of the thin pavers crack.

From my personal, inexpert, inspection, and from what I have been able to grasp via Google and YouTube, you are correct. I am pretty much convinced there is no universally accepted way to go about the repair, and rebonding, because the entire approach is flawed.
Nevertheless, as I walk around TV, I do see thin pavers on driveways, that look pretty good. I think my best approach will be to talk with owners and see how they've maintained theirs.