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Originally Posted by Chellybean
(Post 2303509)
Have them and there dog trespassed the second time they will be arrested!
Problem solved!
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Will never happen. In this day and age of low staffing and high crime, a trespassing or dog leash / dog poop call will be VERY low priority. Police may not respond for hours. Too busy with auto burgs, assaults. shoplifting, drug use, etc.
This is how "having them arrested" would go down, from a realistic practical perspective from my real-world decades of experience:
No judge will ever hold a dog responsible for any violation. Dogs do not possess the capacity for intent. They will roll their eyes their time is being wasted. It will never even get to them, however. Any responding officer is going to roll their eyes that their time is being wasted on such a minor thing.
In addition, leash laws and dog poop rules are, at the very highest, an infraction. Infractions are "crimes" punishable by a fine. This is almost always handled via a citation, not arrest.
Even if the "crime" were a misdemeanor (highly unlikely), misdemeanors MUST be committed in the presence of the officer. There are a few exceptions such as domestic battery, drunk driving, indecency within certain range of school grounds, etc. BUT animal issues are not in any of the exceptions I've ever seen.
Let's change tack for a moment. Let's say instead of going after the dog, you are now considering pursuing the dog's owner for the "crime." Let's be so generous as to say it is a misdemeanor and not an infraction, and the only crime we "might" pursue here is trespassing. For trespassing to occur, two things (the elements of the crime) must happen:
1. A person has to be in a place they do not lawfully have the right to be, and;
2. That person must be asked/directed/told to leave by a person with authority over the location and the person "trespassing" must refuse to do so when requested/directed.
Actually a third thing must occur, remember that in order for an officer to make a misdemeanor arrest, it must be committed in his/her presence. Digressing, since that isn't an actual element of the crime, just another loophole one must get through in order for this arrest to ever occur.
So if I'm up on your lawn or driveway (the curtilage of approach normally acceptable for public to be upon in order to access the front doorway to contact the owner - so usually deemed legally reasonable) and you order me off your property I can stay or go.
If I go, no crime has occurred. If I stay, you will have to call the police, enjoy the long wait for them to arrive at this very low priority call (to witness my misdemeanor violation) and I have to STILL be on the property.
If I am not, no crime.
If I am still on the property, the officer's are going to do everything they can to talk me into complying to save them time and paperwork. As long as I eventually comply, I am neither cited nor arrested and you just wasted a phenomenal amount of time and resources making you look like a "Karen," or at the very least a self-entitled a$$hat. Again, no crime.
Now, let's say you wish to conduct a citizen's arrest for my misdemeanor violation. If I keep making court dates, arraignments, continuances or excuses for more time, trial, etc., you will HAVE TO ATTEND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY COURT APPEARANCES or else the case is thrown.
If the case is thrown, I now have grounds to civilly sue you for false arrest. See where I'm going here? You will be paying all my court costs and damages for harm to my reputation, loss of time, income, etc.
So, back to my original statement, "Will never happen."
I will offer one very big HOWEVER, a caveat if you will.
This entire scenario can drastically change IF the officer is so motivated and circumstances allow. An example of this is the offender is habitual (preferably a parolee or probationer) and a known PITA to deal with from the officer's prior contacts. Dealing with all the time and paper delays created by this incident may be deemed worthwhile to prevent the offender from wasting even more time and resources with additional calls being generated due to the offender's actions during the remainder of the officer's shift or the next shift.