[CarlR33]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

They tried to go into MY lane - while they were inside the roundabout. There was absolutely no reason for this woman to move from the inner lane to the outer lane within the roundabout. She beeped at me, and yelled at me. SHE - beeped at ME.

If she had stayed in her own lane, she could've exited at the next exit, before I had gotten to it. That was WHY I entered the circle when I did. Because if she had done what she was supposed to do, everyone would've gotten in and out of the circle safely and correctly.

Probably did not know that residents CAN use the guest gate same as the resident gate.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

#2 sounds very simple. But, is it?
You approach the RB from the inside (#1) lane intending to exit at exit 3. Passing exit/entrance 1 you travel in the center (#1) lane.
As you approach exit 2, you have options. Go straight ahead, which requires you to enter lane 2 to cross to your exit.
At this point I feel it is important to state that all entrances and exits must spend some time in the outer lane of the RB.
So, central lane (#1) decides to continue to exit 3. You can continue in the center lane. But if you continue as if you were going straight ahead, you will notice that you cross a broken line going into the outer lane. Once in the outer lane, you will notice that there is now a broken line on your left. A broken line can be crossed, so can't you make your lane change at that point? After all, there should be no traffic trying to pass on your right as going straight at exit 2 is one of your options.
Seems actually a better option than trying to cross 2 lanes at once at exit 3, as I often see cars approaching from lane 2, pushing in expecting center lane traffic to continue in the center going around.
Just a different point of view.

Yes, it is very simple. No, all entrances do NOT spend time in the outer lane.

If a car is approaching from lane 2 (outer lane), pushing in expecting center lane (inner lane) traffic to continue in the center going around then the CAR IN LANE 2 IS DOING SOMETHING WRONG! Either that car in the outer lane is attempting to continue to his third exit (left turn) or that car in the outer lane entered the roundabout without yielding to the traffic in the inner lane that was already in the roundabout. (or perhaps the car in the outer lane overtook the car in the inner lane which, again, is the wrong thing to do).

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Yes, it is very simple. No, all entrances do NOT spend time in the outer lane.
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Maybe I wasn't clear enough.
All vehicles traveling through a RB spend time in the outer lane. Either entering, traveling in and exiting lane 2, or, if entering from lane 1, crossing throught lane 2 in the RB to get to RB lane 1, and when leaving RB lane 1, crossing through RB lane 2 to exit the RB.
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[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

It still sounds as though a car was approaching in the roundabout and you calculated that you wouldn’t interfere because you would be using the inside lane while she would be using the outside.


The correct thing to do is to yield for traffic already in the roundabout. Period. No calculation, no inside/outside, just yield to any traffic already there. If you had done that then she would have been in no position to interfere with you (and vice versa)

No, I was using the OUTSIDE lane and she was using the INSIDE lane. She cut into the outside lane at the ENTRY to the roundabout, not the exit. The entry was where I was - entering. If she had stayed in the inside lane and continued around to the gate, she would've been in the visitor's lane of the gate. Instead, she cut me off while I was entering from 441, and continued around to the residents lane, TWO EXITS later. She was making HER "third" exit. She had no business coming into the outside lane to continue around the circle, at all. I wasn't expecting her to, because you're not supposed to do that.

When you enter the roundabout from the left lane and enter into the inside lane, you're supposed to stay there until you reach your exit. You're NOT supposed to change lanes to travel while in the roundabout.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by gorillarick

I think the opposite is even worse, you're in the right lane and you cut in front of me (in the left) to go left.

Several close calls in both situations. Plan Ahead !
You could also look before you turn your wheel.

IMO If you’re in right lane you are turning at first or second exit. Only time left lane vehicle hitting you would either left lane vehicle illegally exited at first exit or vehicle pulled out illegally into roundabout. Or you when around to 3rd exit hitting the left lane vehicle going straight through. I try hard not to be beside some one in roundabout and never pull out when traffic coming around regardless what lane they’re in.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Amylag

I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.

IMO majority don’t use signals especially in roundabouts. I alway use mine and especially in left lane going straight through after I cleared first exit. That way people entering to my right know which way I am going and people at 3rd exit yielding know I am turning so they don’t have to come to complete stop. They see me turn the signal light on, not like I have it on coming around.

[villager7591]

Amylag;
Welcome to The Villages.

[Bogie Shooter]

Over 50 posts total?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

No, I was using the OUTSIDE lane and she was using the INSIDE lane. She cut into the outside lane at the ENTRY to the roundabout, not the exit. The entry was where I was - entering. If she had stayed in the inside lane and continued around to the gate, she would've been in the visitor's lane of the gate. Instead, she cut me off while I was entering from 441, and continued around to the residents lane, TWO EXITS later. She was making HER "third" exit. She had no business coming into the outside lane to continue around the circle, at all. I wasn't expecting her to, because you're not supposed to do that.

When you enter the roundabout from the left lane and enter into the inside lane, you're supposed to stay there until you reach your exit. You're NOT supposed to change lanes to travel while in the roundabout.

If she was sitting next to you, entering from the same road you were, and then cut you off to exit at the first exit then she was absolutely in the wrong.

If she was in the roundabout coming from an earlier entrance, was in the inner lane, you entered in the outer lane to take the first exit, and then she shifted from the inner lane to the outer lane as you were entering the outer lane then you both were at fault: her for changing lanes in the roundabout and you for entering the roundabout without yielding to the vehicle that was already there.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Over 50 posts total?

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[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

If she was sitting next to you, entering from the same road you were, and then cut you off to exit at the first exit then she was absolutely in the wrong.

If she was in the roundabout coming from an earlier entrance, was in the inner lane, you entered in the outer lane to take the first exit, and then she shifted from the inner lane to the outer lane as you were entering the outer lane then you both were at fault: her for changing lanes in the roundabout and you for entering the roundabout without yielding to the vehicle that was already there.

I specified already but I'll try again, differently.

There's a roundabout outside Spanish Springs Town Square. Coming FROM the east off of 441, there's a 2-lane entrance into the 2-lane roundabout. FROM the north at the beginning of El Camino Real, there's a 2-lane entrance into the 2-lane roundabout. FROM the west at the beginning of Morse Boulevard, there's a 2-lane entrance into a 2-lane roundabout. FROM the south at the end of Paige Place is a 2-lane entrance into a 2-lane roundabout.

The exit FROM the roundabout TO Paige Place is only one lane - anyone coming FROM 441, who wants to turn onto Paige Place, is required to ENTER from the left lane of the 441 leg, go through the INNER lane around the roundabout, and MERGE to the right lane to exit, because the inner lane doesn't HAVE an exit onto Paige Place. That is the only exception on this roundabout.

For the other three exits, you have to exit FROM the lane you entered in, onto the same lane at a 2-lane exit. You are not allowed to shift lanes while you're in the roundabout, to travel to the exit. You're supposed to exit from the lane you are already in. So if you're in the inner lane, you exit to the left lane of the exit. If you're on the outer lane, you exit to the right lane of the exit.

If you enter FROM the right lane, TO the roundabout, you must enter into the outer lane. From there, you can take the first Or second exit, but you must do so from the outer lane to the right lane.

The Morse Boulevard entrance and exit has double gates in each direction. The visitor's gate is accessed from the inner lane of the roundabout, and the resident's lane is accessed from the outer lane of the roundabout.

The lady who cut me off had come through the Morse gate, into the roundabout, from the left lane into the inner lane of the roundabout. She was coming from the exact opposite direction I was coming from. I saw her approaching the Paige Place entry, on the inner lane, and knew that I had plenty of time and opportunity to enter safely from the right lane to the outer lane, and continue to the Morse resident's gate, also on the right.

So I went. And just as I entered the OUTER lane of the roundabout, the lady decided she was going to cut me off, and cut her wheels to turn into MY lane, that I was ALREADY in. Because for whatever reason, she wasn't happy with the idea of exiting from the inner lane to the left lane of El Camino Real, which was her destination out of the roundabout.

Now, she wasn't able to complete her abrupt cut into my lane, because as I said - I was already there. So she beeped her horn and yelled at me. If she had stayed in HER lane - I would've already been at the Morse Boulevard gate exit by the time she had gotten to her exit at El Camino Real.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

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The lady who cut me off had come through the Morse gate, into the roundabout, from the left lane into the inner lane of the roundabout. She was coming from the exact opposite direction I was coming from. I saw her approaching the Paige Place entry, on the inner lane, and knew that I had plenty of time and opportunity to enter safely from the right lane to the outer lane, and continue to the Morse resident's gate, also on the right.

So I went. And just as I entered the OUTER lane of the roundabout, the lady decided she was going to cut me off, and cut her wheels to turn into MY lane, that I was ALREADY in. Because for whatever reason, she wasn't happy with the idea of exiting from the inner lane to the left lane of El Camino Real, which was her destination out of the roundabout.

Now, she wasn't able to complete her abrupt cut into my lane, because as I said - I was already there. So she beeped her horn and yelled at me. If she had stayed in HER lane - I would've already been at the Morse Boulevard gate exit by the time she had gotten to her exit at El Camino Real.

Your explanation from 441 is incorrect. Cars do not merge into the right lane to exit to Paige. Essentially, from 441 there is ONLY a left lane exit to Paige. Similarly, from El Camino there is ONLY a right lane exit to Paige. Look at the corresponding green signs, they are unambiguous.

It still sounds as though you entered the roundabout without yielding to traffic already there. You “knew” you had time to enter without yielding but you were obviously wrong. If she attempted to change lanes and found you were already there it is because you improperly entered next to her.

She was wrong to change lanes in the roundabout. However, she knew for sure there would be no one in the outside lane since the only traffic that could be next to her would have entered with her and was obligated to exit on Morse/441. The only way someone would be next to her would be if that person was doing something improper. One of the improper actions would be entering the roundabout without yielding to the traffic already there (her). That is what you did.

“It should have been okay to enter next to her because she shouldn’t change lanes and I was driving faster,” is simply an acknowledgment that you didn’t yield to traffic you clearly saw already in the roundabout.

[Black Beauty]

Florida has no need for turn signals..Hardly.nobody uses them

[La lamy]

I totally agree about using right turn signal when in inner lane of the roundabout taking an exit. I like to do that myself if I'm ahead of the car in the outer lane. I also appreciate seeing a left signal from the outer lane when they plan on not exiting.

[Southwest737]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Yesterday I drove across 441 to the roundabout at El Camino Real, heading onto Morse. There's a gate house there, and I was in the right lane, planning on using the resident's gate - on the right.

I got into the roundabout while someone on my left IN the roundabout was starting their approach toward my location, and they were in the inner "left" lane. They tried to go into MY lane - while they were inside the roundabout. There was absolutely no reason for this woman to move from the inner lane to the outer lane within the roundabout. She beeped at me, and yelled at me. SHE - beeped at ME.

If she had stayed in her own lane, she could've exited at the next exit, before I had gotten to it. That was WHY I entered the circle when I did. Because if she had done what she was supposed to do, everyone would've gotten in and out of the circle safely and correctly.

Moral of the story:

If you are in a 2-lane traffic circle, exiting to a 2-lane road, then stay in your lane. You have NO reason to shift lanes while you're in that circle. You can move to the right lane AFTER you exit the circle.

Sounds like you failed to yield to traffic in the roundabout. Doesn’t matter if they are in the inner lane and you take the outer lane because now you have possibly blocked their ability to take the upcoming exit. You should yield to both lanes.