[SHIBUMI]

Just found this! Who Knew! The United States Golf Association has a formula to assist you in deciding what tee markers to play on any golf course. The first reason is the speed of play. A second hidden reason maybe for scoring. If you are playing a tee marker thats too long for you it's double and triple bogey time. If you are playing tee markers that are too easy it's bogey, par,and and birdie time or at least lower scores. Bottom line is that its based on how far you hit your driver.

There in lies the rub. Golfers exaggerate or out and out lie and fool themselves about this number. You have to be realistic for this to work. Its not your BEST drive its your average drive.

Here is how it plays out:
Average Drive 240............ 6720
Average Drive. 230........... 6440
Average Drive 220............. 6,160
Average Drive 210............ 5,880
Average Drive 200........... 5600
Average Drive 190.......... 5320
Average Drive 180.......... 5000
Average Drive. 170........ 4760
Average Drive. 150....... 4200
Average Drive under 150. take some golf lessons and play executive courses

On the PGA TOUR the average drive is 300 yards...thought that was high, but if true they should be playing 8,400 yard golf courses. So, because they play 7,000 to 7,500 yard golf courses
they should be shooting 15 to 22 under par for an event. And thats why.

It's also why golfers are looking for a magic driver instead of a magic swing. As Lee Trevino said, It takes 30 days for a new club to get to know you, then it starts acting like the old club.
Remember, the swing is the thing, quote from the 30's.

[jimhoward]

I have not seen this particular charts, but it seems about right. I've seen similar ones but with 7-iron as the metric. These charts typically refer to carry distance. Golfers, addition to exaggerating their distances, also typically report their total distance.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

Just found this! Who Knew! The United States Golf Association has a formula to assist you in deciding what tee markers to play on any golf course. The first reason is the speed of play. A second hidden reason maybe for scoring. If you are playing a tee marker thats too long for you it's double and triple bogey time. If you are playing tee markers that are too easy it's bogey, par,and and birdie time or at least lower scores. Bottom line is that its based on how far you hit your driver.

There in lies the rub. Golfers exaggerate or out and out lie and fool themselves about this number. You have to be realistic for this to work. Its not your BEST drive its your average drive.

Here is how it plays out:
Average Drive 240............ 6720
Average Drive. 230........... 6440
Average Drive 220............. 6,160
Average Drive 210............ 5,880
Average Drive 200........... 5600
Average Drive 190.......... 5320
Average Drive 180.......... 5000
Average Drive. 170........ 4760
Average Drive. 150....... 4200
Average Drive under 150. take some golf lessons and play executive courses

On the PGA TOUR the average drive is 300 yards...thought that was high, but if true they should be playing 8,400 yard golf courses. So, because they play 7,000 to 7,500 yard golf courses
they should be shooting 15 to 22 under par for an event. And thats why.

It's also why golfers are looking for a magic driver instead of a magic swing. As Lee Trevino said, It takes 30 days for a new club to get to know you, then it starts acting like the old club.
Remember, the swing is the thing, quote from the 30's.

The USGA recommends you determine what tees to play, based on your 7 iron distance, not Driver Distance.

The USGA Program is called the "Best Tees" system. That is the latest, up to date information from the USGA.

https://www.usga.org/content/usga/ho...arting%20point.

[SHIBUMI]

I recently sent them a request for best tee information and they sent me this new data on driver distance tee determination. Could be new, never bought into the 7 iron theory as it is based on averages and not individual experience. I believe the driver length is more accurate.

In case anyone is wondering, the magic number is 28. Multiply YOUR average driver distance by 28 and that s the yardage you should be playing at. Never liked averages over individual experience.

Originally Posted by BrianL99

The USGA recommends you determine what tees to play, based on your 7 iron distance, not Driver Distance.

The USGA Program is called the "Best Tees" system. That is the latest, up to date information from the USGA.

https://www.usga.org/content/usga/ho...arting%20point.

[Mortal1]

is just carry through the air. Roll is not included. I can't not count the amount of times someone in the group skulls a club and sees it go way long or way short of the target. If too far they think "oh, too much club". Then one shot ends up way short of the target and they think not enough club. In either case they have no idea how far any particular club hits the ball.

[villagetinker]

Perfect, now I have a specific reason to stay on the exec courses!!!

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Mortal1

is just carry through the air. Roll is not included. I can't not count the amount of times someone in the group skulls a club and sees it go way long or way short of the target. If too far they think "oh, too much club". Then one shot ends up way short of the target and they think not enough club. In either case they have no idea how far any particular club hits the ball.

Probably not in this case. If the USGA meant "carry", they likely would have used that word. They're generally about the most pedantic people in the world.

Besides, Driver distance calculations, as well as Driver design and swing metrics, are usually optimized to induce roll.

Using that calculation with Drive "carry" only, decent players would be shooting in the mid-60's.

[SHIBUMI]

Had to look up the word, pedantic, not complimentary

Not sure either what a decent golfer is. Is it a god fearing person or a golfer who doesn't swear. Really not sure as dictionary doesn't define a decent golfer.

Please give us an example of a decent golfer. Thanks

Maybe it's someone who can shoot in the 60's on a 6500 yard golf course. Not a lot of those around. Hope I am not being too pedantic!

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Probably not in this case. If the USGA meant "carry", they likely would have used that word. They're generally about the most pedantic people in the world.

Besides, Driver distance calculations, as well as Driver design and swing metrics, are usually optimized to induce roll.

Using that calculation with Drive "carry" only, decent players would be shooting in the mid-60's.

[jimhoward]

I don't really need a chart. I know from experience that golf is the most fun for me when I pick the tees that are about 6000 yards (par 72).

If I go much shorter then its frustrating, because I don't score all that much better and my handicap goes up. If I go much longer then I its frustrating because it is too much distance for me so I have trouble reaching par 4s in regulation and I will encounter things like forced carries that I can't cover.

I bet other people are the same way and know what overall course yardage they typically like.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by jimhoward

I don't really need a chart. I know from experience that golf is the most fun for me when I pick the tees that are about 6000 yards (par 72).

If I go much shorter then its frustrating, because I don't score all that much better and my handicap goes up. If I go much longer then I its frustrating because it is too much distance for me so I have trouble reaching par 4s in regulation and I will encounter things like forced carries that I can't cover.

I bet other people are the same way and know what overall course yardage they typically like.

Your experience is very typical for older golfers. We seem to be distance sensitive until we find the distance that allows to reach at least 16-17 holes in Regulation ... & don't seem to play any better, if we move forward another Tee Box.

I've always though the GHIN system needed to do more, to address the weakness of older golfers ... which always seems to be distance. Anywhere from 5500 yards to 6300 yards, I'm going to shoot the same score. Put me at 6400, my score is going up 5 strokes.

No matter what distance you play at, you still need to make 28-34 Putts, so unless you move up to 5000 yards and can drive some Par 4's, there's no advantage at 5500 IMO.

[mrf6969]

I have found that observing the Pros, on par 4's they are always using a wedge for their second shot. If you find that teeing off from the blue or white tees and you can't use an eight, nine or wedge for that second shot then you need to be moving up to the next tee box.
I am in my 70's now and enjoy the game much more from the green tees.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

It's also why golfers are looking for a magic driver instead of a magic swing. As Lee Trevino said, It takes 30 days for a new club to get to know you, then it starts acting like the old club.
Remember, the swing is the thing, quote from the 30's.

Just thought I'd mention it.

24 Hour Sale.

See attached.

[FloridaGuy66]

I just play from whatever the majority of my group is playing from. Even if I'm playing from the tips and struggling a little, it's still faster than teeing off from a separate tee box.

[SHIBUMI]

Busted!

[JoMar]

I play par 4's from greens, par 3's from whites and par 5's greens or whites depending on distance. All dependent on "the group"'s preferences.