[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Robnlaura

A U.S. Department of Energy report found that, when factoring in the long-term ownership expenses, a small electric SUV costs $0.4508 per mile compared to $0.4727 per mile for a comparable gas car. That’s a difference of just $0.0219 per mile. The report concludes that it would take 15 years for the average EV to make up for its higher purchase price.

The Department of Energy also says that, if you install solar panels on your roof, it will increase the value of your house. Totally not true.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

I knew it was very expensive to own and operate an EV, but this is way more than what I thought.


Cost of Driving Electric Vehicle Equal to Paying $17.33 Per Gallon of Gasoline, Study Finds - Truth Press

Truth Press ?????huh?????? When I see an EV comparison put out by the NY Times or the Wall Street Journal, then I will believe it. Why should ANY government stimulus money be added to the cost of owning and operating an EV? The government's job is to PUSH SOCIETY in the CORRECT direction and they are doing that because operating gasoline vehicles is causing Global Warming and South Pole glaciers to melt into the sea (raising sea level and threatening cities like Miami, NY, and even Washington.
......We complain when the government does NOT do its job. Here people are complaining because the Government is doing its job.....go figure!
........The US has 8% sales of Electric new car vehicles - Europe has 20% - because their gas prices are so high.
.........That article reflects what the RICH automotive executives and oil executives want YOU the common man to think. It is propaganda designed to keep the gas auto industry BELCHING along, belching out poisonous gases, poisonous to humans and the planet Earth.
......Eventually, the gasoline vehicle will be replaced by an electric vehicle and maybe (possibly) a hydrogen energy cell.

[Heytubes]

Interesting about icebergs melting and cities being threatened. When I fill a glass with ice and water the ice will melt, but the level of water stays the same. Got to figure if that compares to melting icebergs raising the sea level how many feet.

[cherylncliff]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

I knew it was very expensive to own and operate an EV, but this is way more than what I thought.


Cost of Driving Electric Vehicle Equal to Paying $17.33 Per Gallon of Gasoline, Study Finds - Truth Press

For an in depth review look at EV vs. Gas: Which Cars Are Cheaper to Own?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Heytubes

Interesting about icebergs melting and cities being threatened. When I fill a glass with ice and water the ice will melt, but the level of water stays the same. Got to figure if that compares to melting icebergs raising the sea level how many feet.

Wrong thread and this has been covered several times.

Melting icebergs floating in the sea will not raise the sea level due to the water in the iceberg but it will raise the level very slightly as as that water warms. The water in your glass does rise very slightly due to the water expanding as it warms but this is too little to measure.

Glaciers on land *do* raise the sea level when they break off and become icebergs. Try putting the ice in a strainer above your glass and see what happens then when it melts.

[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

This study is so confusing, that I don't know where to start. My first thought is that EV owners don't pay anything for gasoline because their vehicle doesn't use gasoline. So, who cares about the price of gasoline? And, the cost for gasoline for an ICE vehicle is nowhere near the total cost to operate the vehicle. Here is the math:

120,000 miles/25 mpg = 4,800 gallons x $3.50/gallon = $16,800 (which is only 14 cents per mile)

Also, the study seems to calculate the cost of Government subsidies for EVs, but what about the cost for subsidies for ICE vehicles?

it really isn't all that confusing, however the part I am looking for the is cost of the recharge, it's not free.

The part though that everyone has completely missed on this topic is this.

If somehow you can 'drown' aka bankrupt all the car manufacturers in this country, (just like groceries in Chicago) you are then forced to have a government created and run auto manufacturer. It's just that simple.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Bottom line is that you can’t put a price on driving range and the speed/convenience of reloading the vehicles power source. We need our vehicles to be able to get us between our two homes, which are 1,350 miles apart, without worries and time consuming hassles. Also, if we get stuck in bad traffic, we want to be able to heat/cool our vehicles interior space without worrying about depleting our power source.

The electric motor in an E-vehicle is almost unbreakable and does NOT almost ever need repair. It is much more dependable than a piston flopper engine. So, what if your gas vehicle overheats and throws a piston or the automatic transmission starts slipping? How do you put a price on the lesser reliability of the gas engine vehicle?
.......We are in the equivalent of 1900 in the development of the E-vehicle. In a few years, there will be NO COMPARISON with the E-vehicle being VASTLY superior!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

There are many who are anti EVs and I respect their position, but EVs are going to replace ICE. This has nothing to do with global warming. This is all profit motivated. EVs are less expensive to produce, the major cost is the batteries which all the major companies are pouring mass amounts of money to address. Another issue is charging station which again a ton of money is being spent to address. There is the issue of producing electricity again many power companies are improving their capacity knowing there is going to be future demand which means more profits. There are two others that has nothing to do with cost, which is the convince of never have to visit a gas station and no longer having to rely on a foreign government for our fuel supply.

Excellent post!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by KCasey

I've owned my Tesla for just shy of 3 years. For many of those three years, I primarily charged my car at work for FREE. So no cost to charge. On the days that I did charge at home in RI, it costs about $9 to "fill the tank", and I don't charge every day. I looked on my app for my FL charging cost. I have done one charge where the car was pretty low in charge and it cost $5 on my electric bill.

As far as charging at a Tesla Supercharger. I have not done that in Florida yet (every State is different) but in RI where I'm from it cost me between $9 - $15 depending on how much of a charge I needed.

One more thing to consider, there is virtually NO maintenance on a Tesla. In RI where there is snow, the suggestion was that every two years bring the car in to have the brakes cleaned. I did that once in RI and asked "ok, now what do I need to do" they answered "see you in a couple of years".

Also, there are no oil changes either. I absolutely love this car. For me, not knowing a lot about cars it's ideal, as the car will let me know if there is anything wrong. Best car I've ever owned!

There it IS. Straight talk from a REAL owner!

[JRcorvette]

Originally Posted by MrChip72

Of course the website is called "truthpress.com". Most of us recently have noticed a pattern where anything with the word "truth" in front of it is usually full of BS.

Hilarious that the article quotes "They give evidence", but then doesn't provide any evidence at all.

Not sure about the cost quoted but if you consider all the factors owning an EV is probably close to 3 time that of a gas vehicle. And don’t forget about resale of an EV… no one will want an old EV unless you are selling dirt cheap. Let’s also consider the huge hassle of driving an EV anywhere other than local. The cost of the public fast chargers is very high (double or triple) the cost of gas.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JRcorvette

Not sure about the cost quoted but if you consider all the factors owning an EV is probably close to 3 time that of a gas vehicle. And don’t forget about resale of an EV… no one will want an old EV unless you are selling dirt cheap. Let’s also consider the huge hassle of driving an EV anywhere other than local. The cost of the public fast chargers is very high (double or triple) the cost of gas.

All these claims, other than the resale which few if any have experienced, have been disputed by those who actually own an EV. Do you have anything to back up your claims and prove them wrong?

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by Heytubes

Interesting about icebergs melting and cities being threatened. When I fill a glass with ice and water the ice will melt, but the level of water stays the same. Got to figure if that compares to melting icebergs raising the sea level how many feet.

Sounds like you may have never seen an actual iceberg or understand what they are.

They are literally massive chunks of snow and ice that are floating on top of the oceans with a weight usually ranging from 100k tonnes to 10 million tons each. Average size is around the equivalent of a 15 foot skyscraper. There are several millions of these icebergs, so it's not hard to do the math and understand that it will raise the water levels.

An iceberg is nothing like an ice cube. Ice cubes don't float on top of the liquid in your glass.

[rsmurano]

You do know that these figures include many things, not just charging costs which can vary depending on what the local utility charges per kWh and how much the charging station wants to charge you. As for Ford losing a lot of $$$$ on their EV’s, check this out:
https://www.auto123.com/en/news/ford...-32000/70571/#

Also, each state will be assessing each EV owner some kind of mileage tax since we pay for roads thru the sale of gasoline. This will be a new expense for EV owners.
How about the battery disposal cost for the EV owner?
The Costs and Potential Benefits of Investing in Sustainable Electric Car Battery Disposal Practices

Ev’s don’t need maintenance or servicing? Wrong. If you look at the Kelley blue book website, you will see this:

Our experts found that over five years, the owner of a Tesla Model 3 can expect to spend an estimated $3,115 on maintenance, or $623 annually. That’s slightly higher than many gas-powered competitors. For example, maintenance for the Genesis G70 costs $2,621 over five years.

Maintaining Your Tesla: Everything You Need To Know - Kelley Blue Book

The largest maintenance cost is the replacement of the battery. In so many years, the owner will have to pay for a new battery which will cost many thousands of $$$$ plus disposal fee. This cost alone is greater than the cost of a gas powered engine rebuild, if 1 is needed in this short period of time. I know of Porsches and Mercedes with engines over 300,000 miles that haven’t had anything major done to their engines, and then you have diesel engines that can go double those miles before a major overhaul.

[dhdallas]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

I knew it was very expensive to own and operate an EV, but this is way more than what I thought.


Cost of Driving Electric Vehicle Equal to Paying $17.33 Per Gallon of Gasoline, Study Finds - Truth Press

The article is completely ridiculous and just more propaganda from the "I hate electric vehicles people" who also hate anything remotely beneficial to the environment, deny climate change, don't believe in science, & think coal & oil will last forever.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

You do know that these figures include many things, not just charging costs which can vary depending on what the local utility charges per kWh and how much the charging station wants to charge you. As for Ford losing a lot of $$$$ on their EV’s, check this out:
https://www.auto123.com/en/news/ford...-32000/70571/#

Also, each state will be assessing each EV owner some kind of mileage tax since we pay for roads thru the sale of gasoline. This will be a new expense for EV owners.
How about the battery disposal cost for the EV owner?
The Costs and Potential Benefits of Investing in Sustainable Electric Car Battery Disposal Practices

Ev’s don’t need maintenance or servicing? Wrong. If you look at the Kelley blue book website, you will see this:

Our experts found that over five years, the owner of a Tesla Model 3 can expect to spend an estimated $3,115 on maintenance, or $623 annually. That’s slightly higher than many gas-powered competitors. For example, maintenance for the Genesis G70 costs $2,621 over five years.

Maintaining Your Tesla: Everything You Need To Know - Kelley Blue Book

The largest maintenance cost is the replacement of the battery. In so many years, the owner will have to pay for a new battery which will cost many thousands of $$$$ plus disposal fee. This cost alone is greater than the cost of a gas powered engine rebuild, if 1 is needed in this short period of time. I know of Porsches and Mercedes with engines over 300,000 miles that haven’t had anything major done to their engines, and then you have diesel engines that can go double those miles before a major overhaul.

It amazes me that so many still are talking about the cost of replacing a battery. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. With a warranty of eight years or more, any replacement cost will be covered. And you know companies are not going broke replacing batteries.

Battery disposal cost? If all these batteries are being replaced by the owners then there would be some information on this cost. There is no information, likely because the cost does not exist but few would even know since batteries are not being replaced.

Mileage charge? WHEN it happens it will be something to think about. IF it happens it will likely be about $200 per year. Remember, states are currently paying people to purchase EVs, it might be some time before they turn that around and start charging them.

Maintenance costs? It would be interesting to hear from some owners just what their maintenance costs are. For example, do Teslas truly require two wheel alignments every year and do Tesla owners really have that work done?

Clearly, there are dozens of articles on how expensive owning an EV ought to be or how much experts calculate maintenance should cost or how much a replacement battery might set you back. What there doesn't seem to be are dozens of articles from regretful Tesla owners with sticker shock. I wonder why.