The Gypsies are back in the Villages !

[OldManTime]

The Gypsies are back in the Villages, Travelers as called in some countries.
They are on the street corners, in front of the grocery stores, women and children, and good looking families For hundreds of years they have perfected there scams, its cash they want, and I have seen so many bleeding heart Villagers feeding them money. They look just like you and me, but believe me they have profected there trade. I have called the police, and by the time they get there there gone, they will not stay in one place more than 10 minutes. Its cold now up north, so they really enjoy our weather, and the generosity of the Villagers with out a clue. Friday I saw them get 3 hits in 2 minutes, today I saw 4 hits in 2 minutes.
Trust me here they have more money than you have.

Please call the police dispatch, Lake county, Sumter or marion counties when you see the beggars with the signs.

Thake a photo of them, watch them run!

[gomoho]

Saw a woman at the corner of O'Dell and where you come out of Colony Plaza. Sign said she lived in her car and needed help - had a young boy with her. She looked more Hispanic than gypsy. First time I've seen something like this in TV. No I didn't call the police 'cause I felt sorry for her - not sorry enough to give her money, but sorry enough to leave her alone.

[red tail]

The Gypsies are back in the Villages, Travelers as called in some countries.
They are on the street corners, in front of the grocery stores, women and children, and good looking families For hundreds of years they have perfected there scams, its cash they want, and I have seen so many bleeding heart Villagers feeding them money. They look just like you and me, but believe me they have profected there trade. I have called the police, and by the time they get there there gone, they will not stay in one place more than 10 minutes. Its cold now up north, so they really enjoy our weather, and the generosity of the Villagers with out a clue. Friday I saw them get 3 hits in 2 minutes, today I saw 4 hits in 2 minutes.
Trust me here they have more money than you have.

Please call the police dispatch, Lake county, Sumter or marion counties when you see the beggars with the signs.









Thake a photo of them, watch them run!

There but for the grace of God, go I (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/there-but-for-the-grace-of-god.html)

[manaboutown]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/20/sunday-review/are-the-roma-primitive-or-just-poor.html?_r=0

A friend sent me this link today. He was pick pocketed in both Amsterdam and Prague by them. People with whom I have toured various parts of Europe were pick pocketed by them. They use their children, too. Beware of them. They are not as they appear.

[OldManTime]

Saw a woman at the corner of O'Dell and where you come out of Colony Plaza. Sign said she lived in her car and needed help - had a young boy with her. She looked more Hispanic than gypsy. First time I've seen something like this in TV. No I didn't call the police 'cause I felt sorry for her - not sorry enough to give her money, but sorry enough to leave her alone.



They come in all nationalities, that is the MO, most all say that with children too.

[KathieI]

I have not seen any of these people around the villages, but they must be chased. There is no soliciting in TV and the Community Watch, at least, should be called.

Gomoho, did you mean Colony and Morse?? O'dell is after the Hadley gate, I'm pretty sure.

[gomoho]

Yes Kathie - thank you, I meant Colony and Morse.

[stroglass]

This is disturbing

hope this is not the norm in TV I will be looking for a home next week so hope this is not a major problem

[Carl in Tampa]

There but for the grace of God, go I (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/there-but-for-the-grace-of-god.html)

No........... this is not a matter of poverty. This is a lifestyle.

In my younger days I was a deputy sheriff in Tampa. We watched closely for the annual influx of the Gypsies. We could often spot them as they traveled from the north into our county in pick up trucks loaded with cheaply made outdoor furniture. People who bought the furniture would find it fell apart quickly.

Next we would start getting calls from people who had been swindled by Gypsies who went house to house offering refinishing of asphalt driveways or re-roofing houses. It would turn out that the refinishing liquid would wash off during the next rain and the roofing was done with substandard material, or if they were paid in advance the work was not done at all.

At the same time, the day after they canvassed a neighborhood for "work" things which were left outdoors would be found to have been stolen.

This would be a good time for Villagers to quit leaving valuables, especially golf clubs, unattended in their golf carts.

Beware of the children. They are adroit pickpockets.

:police::police::police:

[justjim]

I take it that this group has been in TV before? Where do they stay when they are here? RV's campgrounds or motel's......sounds like this group raises the Bar of panhandling to a high level.

[gomoho]

I didn't think this population of people were much into panhandling. Think they are better at pickpocketing and scamming with work they will do for you.

[Bogie Shooter]

This is disturbing

hope this is not the norm in TV I will be looking for a home next week so hope this is not a major problem

Not to worry. No panhandlers where you come from?
The laws in FL have changed and this is against the law.

[Bogie Shooter]

I take it that this group has been in TV before? Where do they stay when they are here? RV's campgrounds or motel's......sounds like this group raises the Bar of panhandling to a high level.

No reports in the last 11 years of being in TV. However, they in the past were near the Walmart on 441 and Home Depot. And at the exit of I75 at CR484.................been gone the last year.

[ilovetv]

Well, I've met a few people residing and visiting here, who complain there's not enough "diversity" in TV.

I like the real diversity of people coming from every state of the U.S., and from other countries.

I don't think we need to coddle or pander to swindlers and pickpockets, but some will look the other way on lawbreakers to prove a point.

[perrjojo]

There are panhandlers and there are The Gypsys Travlers.. The Gypsies have been preveloent in Texas and Georgia where we have lived before...Yes, beware. Normally they are scammeres. It is now against the law to panhandle in all three Village counties. Report these people... Most are professionals....not needy souls.

[perrjojo]

No reports in the last 11 years of being in TV. However, they in the past were near the Walmart on 441 and Home Depot. And at the exit of I75 at CR484.................been gone the last year.

They are gone because Marion County finally passed a law against panhandlers.

[57ChevyFI]

One of their big scams are diversionary burglaries. One of them will come to the door, try to get you in the backyard for whatever reason then others hiding in the vehicle will exit the vehicle and go into the house and rummage for jewelry,money anything of value. They will pose as tree trimmers, utilities personnel, One give away is hand held two way radios. They speak in Romani, which their appearance and language can be mistaken for Hispanic. I have studied them, and they are VERY fascinating people with a VERY organized criminal network.

[OldManTime]

I take it that this group has been in TV before? Where do they stay when they are here? RV's campgrounds or motel's......sounds like this group raises the Bar of panhandling to a high level.



For many they migrate to warm florida, not just TV, but sure are good pickings here. They could be in RV,s look for the most expensive cars parked along side.

keep your eye on the cute children, they are masters of there art :evil6:

[billethkid]

This is disturbing

hope this is not the norm in TV I will be looking for a home next week so hope this is not a major problem

Isolated incidents DO NOT = a major problem!
9++ years and have not seen anything like what the thread presents = isolated incident(s).

btk

[Phanatic Luvr]

Interesting! There was just some outdoor furniture stolen from the Hillsborough Pool either last night or yesterday. Topic related????? Could be.
There was a panhandler last year at Publix in Colony. Right around the Thanksgiving or Christmas holiday. I remember since I called the sheriff's office. There are a lot of naive people living in The Villages, and didn't want to see someone get their wallet stolen or worse. They are isolated incidents, not cause for panic. The more we see it and report it, they will soon get the message out that they are not wanted or being ignored here. Call Community Watch and the sheriff.

[mherzberg]

In my 30+ years of detecting, preventing and investigating fraud I found the "Travelers" to be the most evasive and illusive organized groups of all. In my experience they were seldom involved in petty thefts but were prone to scams involving roofing, driveways or wind damage repairs on houses. A favorite ploy of theirs was finding hail damage (which they created) on siding and roofing and encouraging "us" to file homeowners insurance claims. I have not heard of them panhandling - but it may be a ploy to obtain your address.

[Sage327]

The Gypsies are back in the Villages, Travelers as called in some countries.
They are on the street corners, in front of the grocery stores, women and children, and good looking families For hundreds of years they have perfected there scams, its cash they want, and I have seen so many bleeding heart Villagers feeding them money. They look just like you and me, but believe me they have profected there trade. I have called the police, and by the time they get there there gone, they will not stay in one place more than 10 minutes. Its cold now up north, so they really enjoy our weather, and the generosity of the Villagers with out a clue. Friday I saw them get 3 hits in 2 minutes, today I saw 4 hits in 2 minutes.
Trust me here they have more money than you have.

Please call the police dispatch, Lake county, Sumter or marion counties when you see the beggars with the signs.

Thake a photo of them, watch them run!

As I was leaving St Timothy s parking lot this morning there was a man with 3 kids holding a sign that said he lost his job and needed money to pay his rent and feed his kids.

[mac9]

This afternoon, around 2pm, there was a woman outside the entrance to Southern Trace shopping center. She was holding a sign that said that she and her young son were forced to live in their car as she had lost her job. The child was sitting on the grass next to her. She definitely looked Roma. I went into the shopping center and called Community Watch who said that they had had several complaints about her and they were sending someone over. I didn't wait to see if they actually came, but this sounds similar to the story that a former poster said happened outside of Colony.

[kagney123]

One of their big scams are diversionary burglaries. One of them will come to the door, try to get you in the backyard for whatever reason then others hiding in the vehicle will exit the vehicle and go into the house and rummage for jewelry,money anything of value. They will pose as tree trimmers, utilities personnel, One give away is hand held two way radios. They speak in Romani, which their appearance and language can be mistaken for Hispanic. I have studied them, and they are VERY fascinating people with a VERY organized criminal network.

I watched a series about them, the criminal part was never mentioned.. the focus was the brides and the weddings soo over the top

[Golfingnut]

There but for the grace of God, go I (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/there-but-for-the-grace-of-god.html)

Or you might say since I have morel values, I do not lie or steel. All in how you look at it.

[jblum315]

Lived here 4 years. I have never seen anyone panhandling, loitering or going house to house begging or with criminal intent. Saw plenty in NYC, Brooklyn and suburbs, and in San Francisco and suburbs, and in Miami and suburbs. Not here.

[BritParrothead]

I live in a lovely seaside town, one of the best beaches and scenery in Europe.
Every summer, around June, THEY arrive. Set up camp in the public car parks overlooking the beach. NEVER pay to park, but if I do not pay, I get a £30 fine. They hang laundry all over the fencing, try and sell puppy dogs and kittens. Every public park will have a gypsy camp on it at some point between June and the end of August!! The mess the leave behind costs about £90,000 to £150,000 to clean up, as everything has to be sanitised. They will not use toilets in there mobile homes as they say it is unhygienic, but will use the grass in the park???
These are the old Irish gypsies or tinkers.

The incidents of crime soar through the roof.

Now, in London, we have the Romanian gypsies, who have set up camp on Park Lane, right by Hyde Park Corner. They have been harassing the good folks going about their business. Same in Paris. The French deport them, we have to get a court order which can take weeks!!!

Sorry for the rant, but we are paying for these people who NEVER give anything back to our society.

[BritParrothead]

Forgot to say, keep a close eye on your dogs!!

[delima2000]

Saw someone with the same sign saying he lost His job at the publix's parking lot in Spanish springs, he had four kids and a woman sitting on the grass near him. He was dressed in a red silk shirt,vest and black pants. Thought it was odd. This was around noon.

[AriaGrandparents2013]

Saturday saw a woman with a sign stating that she lived in her car and needed money. She had a young boy with her seated at her feet. They were at the driveway near Crispers. I was a bit surprised in seeing them. Having worked in Boston for several years and subjected to many panhandlers asking for money..........I continued riding by them and said a prayer for their well being.

[Parker]

This is a scam. Having been involved in healthcare for many years, most people don't realize all the money and benefits available to people in trouble. So much so, that many opt not to work at all. Between food stamps, WIC, free healthcare, free college and training programs, free cellphones, subsidized housing, paid transportation (including prepaid taxis and busses), that those with several children did quite well. I remember one woman with 9 children who drove up to the hospital to pick up her new baby in a brand new Cadillac Escalade, dripping in heavy gold jewelry, with a smartphone that rarely left her ear, and was given a lengthy list of pre-arranged benefits and freebies. We were all disgusted. Did I mention she never visited her preemie even once before discharge, even when he almost died?

Those truly in need won't need to panhandle. Panhandlers have other motives, IMHO.

[mulligan]

To squash the problem before it gets worse, we should probably call Community Watch whenever we see panhandlers on or near Villages property.

[janmcn]

Could this band of gypsies have anything to do with the incident involving garbage being gone through last week in Tall Trees? We saw how much community watch did in that event.

[graciegirl]

There but for the grace of God, go I (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/there-but-for-the-grace-of-god.html)

I have thought and thought about this since I read it yesterday. I know that you mean well and have a kind heart but I think in this instance that you and I and everyone need to be aware.

When I was a young girl I worked in a religious article store in downtown Columbus, Ohio and once or maybe twice a year there would be the gypsies who came in. The owners said to be aware as they would steal anything including rosaries and missals and bibles.

And they did or they tried.

Some people deserve our help and care and others are trying to benefit off of the kindness that most of us have.

I don't know what these people are doing, but leave them alone or report them or give them a loaf of bread.

I hate to be mean and skeptical, but almost everyone can find work around here.

Lightworker just said that Havana is understaffed.

[Golfingnut]

A CON artist is as scummy as the come.

Last week I watched a woman hitting up customers pumping gas saying she needed just enough gas to get home to get her money that she forgot and she was on empty. Before she drove away, a man with her came out of the store opening a pack of cigarettes.

[senior citizen]

Romania's minorities - Gypsy (http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaHistory/minority-gypsies.htm)

This is very interesting. Please click on above hyperlink to read short article.

It is true as we have a dear friend who is Indian from India; was married to a Hungarian born in Budapest, deceased. We've been aware of the lineage of these gypsies for a long time now.

Our Hungarian friend's mom was Romanian. She knew her history, back and forth..........and would often tell us of the gypsies origins....travels and crime sprees...

When I was a little girl, the gypsies would set up in the empty storefronts.
My mom would walk us past and say to us, "Don't look at them; they will put a curse on you".

Just a blast from the past. I wonder if they did? Put a curse on me?

In our town in Vermont, they haven't been around for years now, but about twenty years ago we were warned by our police that they were "getting into homes" via open side and back doors......(summertime).

That was when we'd still go for our evening hike and leave our doors unlocked and open. That's how safe it was.

The police said they were vagabond gypsies.....like the old tinkerers or whatever. Lately, our town has an issue with "panhandlers" which it never has before in the past........but it never mentioned them as gypsies. I wonder?

Probably illegal as in "profiling". How times have changed.

Actually I was just reading about gypsies in relation to the missing Maddy McCann in Portugal. Detectives are checking into some leads of gypsies and child trafficking.......adorable little blonde girl whose DNA does not match the gypsy parents............so another worry. Hope they find her biological parents. She's too young to be Maddy....but there were a lot of other blonde children found with the gypsies.

Anyway.........above article is interesting...........

[TheVillageChicken]

I wonder how long lived this thread would be if you all were talking disparagingly of another race or ethnic group that has been persecuted throughout the ages and who have been assigned stereotypes.

[Irishmen]

We heard there was a group walking through Duval Saturday night/early Sunday am. Not a lot could be done as it is a public street. Kinda scary strangers roaming neighborhoods.

[graciegirl]

I wonder how long lived this thread would be if you all were talking disparagingly of another race or ethnic group that has been persecuted throughout the ages and who have been assigned stereotypes.

This is where politically correct goes out the window, chicken.

Some conclusions are based on poor behavior of a group of people and can only be improved....

I don't know how they can be improved.

Can you tell us?

The rest of us have to conclude that if it walks like a duck, etc.

But you are a chicken. AN anonymous chicken. Watch out for the Fox.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+gypsies+tramps+and+thieves&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=083D60248AF443754ECB083D60248AF443754ECB

[justjim]

I did see (I guess it was them) on US 441 by Walmart last year---maybe about this time of year a man & woman asking for money. By the way, people were giving them money as they stopped at the traffic signal. I was headed to Comcast to see if I could talk to a real person about my equipment. Finally gave up on Comcast and bought myself a 79 cent cup of coffee at McDonald's. Didn't see any gypsies in McDonalds.

Most of us are vulnerable because we were generally taught to think the "best" of people and give them the benefit of a doubt. From reading about these people---BEWARE!

[BritParrothead]

Romania's minorities - Gypsy (http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaHistory/minority-gypsies.htm)

This is very interesting. Please click on above hyperlink to read short article.

It is true as we have a dear friend who is Indian from India; was married to a Hungarian born in Budapest, deceased. We've been aware of the lineage of these gypsies for a long time now.

Our Hungarian friend's mom was Romanian. She knew her history, back and forth..........and would often tell us of the gypsies origins....travels and crime sprees...


When I was a little girl, the gypsies would set up in the empty storefronts.
My mom would walk us past and say to us, "Don't look at them; they will put a curse on you".

Just a blast from the past. I wonder if they did? Put a curse on me?

In our town in Vermont, they haven't been around for years now, but about twenty years ago we were warned by our police that they were "getting into homes" via open side and back doors......(summertime).

That was when we'd still go for our evening hike and leave our doors unlocked and open. That's how safe it was.

The police said they were vagabond gypsies.....like the old tinkerers or whatever. Lately, our town has an issue with "panhandlers" which it never has before in the past........but it never mentioned them as gypsies. I wonder?

Probably illegal as in "profiling". How times have changed.

Actually I was just reading about gypsies in relation to the missing Maddy McCann in Portugal. Detectives are checking into some leads of gypsies and child trafficking.......adorable little blonde girl whose DNA does not match the gypsy parents............so another worry. Hope they find her biological parents. She's too young to be Maddy....but there were a lot of other blonde children found with the gypsies.

Anyway.........above article is interesting...........

In 1991 a little boy called Ben Needham aged 21 months went missing from his family home on the island of Kos, never to be seen again. The Grrek police said at the time that gypsies do not take children! Really? A cab driver came forward and said the boy had been in his cab with a gypsy couple, nothing was done. Ben is still missing :( as is Maddy McCann :(

[Golfingnut]

I wonder how long lived this thread would be if you all were talking disparagingly of another race or ethnic group that has been persecuted throughout the ages and who have been assigned stereotypes.

Really.:22yikes: big difference between ethnic groups and thieves.

[red tail]

most of these people are not gypsy's or criminals,
they are just poor rednecks looking for a handout. call me a sucker or whatever but I occasionally give small amounts of money to them and I feel good after I do it.

[graciegirl]

Getting back to the point of this thread that there are now back with us, travelers, who do not live here and may well be up to something. Keep an eye on them, please don't encourage them and report them, if your hinky meter goes off.

Common sense folks.

We took a huge left turn above.

I don't know what a" HINKY" meter is but Patty said it once, and I think it means that it just doesn't FEEL right. (The girls among us will understand that, the guys will roll their eyes)

http://www.savagechickens.com/images/chickenfunny.jpg

In other words, if you see something, say something. The law enforcers will thank you.

[BobnBev]

To squash the problem before it gets worse, we should probably call Community Watch whenever we see panhandlers on or near Villages property.

Why waste your time calling them. They can do nothing. Call the
Sheriff or local PD

[jbdlfan]

I read this thread yesterday and a quiet alarm went off(just one of those keep your eyes open alarms). Last night we drove down to Sumter Landing and sat in our cart for a bit. Along came a young lady carrying a cute lttle puppy. A lady sitting on a bench with her husband stopped the lady to see the puppy. Immediately, the lady pulled her cell phone out for a quick diddling. 30 seconds later, a man, presumably her husband, walked up with a cute younger girl, maybe 14. Both were also carrying cute little puppies. They worked on the couple for maybe 10 minutes before the man on the bench adamantly was gesturing "No". I would not have thought twice about the incident, but it seemed to fit the perfect profile. Puppies, family, cute kid..... Just gave us pause.

[senior citizen]

Really.:22yikes: big difference between ethnic groups and thieves.

I agree.

We always say it doesn't matter what color or ethnic group they are if they are committing illegal deeds.......the gypsies do have a reputation of being thieves and home invaders. And, who knows.....from what I've recently read, even kidnappers of innocent children. I would be aware.....if they are in the vicinity.

[red tail]

this whole thread has a racist aroma to it.

[Barefoot]

There but for the grace of God, go I (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/there-but-for-the-grace-of-god.html)

most of these people are not gypsy's or criminals, they are just poor rednecks looking for a handout. call me a sucker or whatever but I occasionally give small amounts of money to them and I feel good after I do it.

this whole thread has a racist aroma to it.

:agree:

[ilovetv]

this whole thread has a racist aroma to it.

People need to be aware if there are swindlers and panhandlers preying on unknowing people.

Some would say your post has an "enabler of crime" aroma to it.

[red tail]

People need to be aware if there are swindlers and panhandlers preying on unknowing people.

Some would say your post has an "enabler of crime" aroma to it.

youre a 'sage' on here. you know better than to make personal comments.

[janmcn]

most of these people are not gypsy's or criminals,
they are just poor rednecks looking for a handout. call me a sucker or whatever but I occasionally give small amounts of money to them and I feel good after I do it.


How come these 'poor rednecks' only come out at certain times of the year? Are they gainfully employed the rest of the time?

[Houselover]

How come these 'poor rednecks' only come out at certain times of the year? Are they gainfully employed the rest of the time?

Truly you jest..These people are leaches and should be run out of town..:BigApplause:

[buggyone]

Truly you jest..These people are leaches and should be run out of town..:BigApplause:


What are "leaches"?

[senior citizen]

Florida Police Warn of (http://consumr.info/florida-police-warn-of-gypsy-scam/)

Just out of curiosity, I typed into my search engine:
POLICE WARN OF GYPSY SCAMS

I ended up with a very long list of various states' law enforcement warning people to be aware of gypsies.

Above hyperlink is from a consumer information site......re Florida police warning back in February 2013.

It's not racist. It just happens to be the gypsy way of life.....

As another poster stated, they usually misrepresent themselves as a roofer, tree trimmer, driveway paver or some such home improvement contractor. Stick with your local and well known guys.

I read myself, elsewhere, that when one rings the doorbell, others are hidden in the "work van".......the "head gypsy" lures the homeowner out to show them the tree damage, etc...or gets the homeowner out to the backyard while others then leave the van and enter the home through the open front door.

Believe me, it's been done up here..........maybe not by gypsies, but when we think back.......those tree trimmers do go door to door.

They do ask you to come outside so that they can show you a tree with damage........and many of us , unsuspectingly, as we had no reason to fear anything, would go out and look.............finally we realized these kind of tree "surgeons" were all schmoes........and stopped using them.

No respectable businessperson needs to go door to door ringing doorbells.

Live and learn. But do not be scammed by the gypsies.

It's their livelihood. They are very clever at what they do and how they do it.

[redwitch]

Coming from an area where panhandling has increased tenfold since mental hospitals were closed and me being the type that will talk to almost anyone, here's my take. As the weather gets colder in northern climates, these people (not travelers nor gypsies but homeless people, many of whom who are mentally ill) come south and west if they possibly can. So, panhandling will increase in warmer climates during winter months.

Also, lawn people are now beginning to lay people off since grass is beginning to go dormant and weeds aren't popping up as much. This means these folks are also out of work, unable to collect unemployment (majority paid under the table). There really aren't that many options for them but panhandling.

Travelers (whether of Romany descent or otherwise) also come south during the winter. They are less apt to panhandle but more apt to scam people. Strangely, some of them are actually honest and will do an honest day's labor for an honest day's wage. As has always been said, don't pay someone until a job is done. Don't purchase something unless from someone reputable. Keep your eyes open but please don't pre-judge because someone's lifestyle is not yours.

Personally, I have no problems with handing a dollar to someone begging. It is hard, it is humiliating and there but for the grace of God, go I. If they choose to use that dollar to buy cigarettes or alcohol, that's their concern, not mine. My concern is treating every human as if they have value. So, I will continue to give my dollar with no regret. You are free to not give your dollar with no regret -- we each have to make our own choices.

[graciegirl]

:agree:

Bare. ANYTHING you say, goes directly to my heart.


You well may be right and I may be something bad. But it seems to me that we aren't allowed to come to a conclusion about a group of people without that label being attached to us. Racist is ugly. So is being stupid.

There is ALWAYS exceptions. But when the high season approaches our population swells. It is like tourist places everywhere.

There is a huge criminal presence in the world, just usually NOT in The Villages. I am sure everyone wants to keep it that way. I have NEVER seen a beggar here. I have never seen anyone looking out of place in a kind of suspicious way. But if I do....I know from my own past experience that there are gypsies and that is what they do. Maybe they are born and raised in Atlanta or Duluth and they are blonde and blue eyed, and they don't speak Romani, but just watch out for unusual stuff.

It is very hard sometimes to balance a caring Christian attitude and being just a little skeptical and keeping a common sense approach.

[senior citizen]

American Gypsy: Full Description (http://www.americangypsy.com/the_film/full_description.html)

In all fairness to the honest Romani family , as mentioned in this documentary, who fought the system to uphold their family honor, we can see both sides of the story............

American Gypsy: Full Description

This is a true story of what happened to the Marks family in Spokane Washington.

For those who do not like to read lengthy "stuff".....just speed read through it, but do read the beginning paragraphs especially.........and keep scrolling down.

[elizabeth52]

Sorry, duplicate post.
:(

[elizabeth52]

This warning is spot on. This happened to an elderly couple I know. A gypsy woman knocked on the door of their home which was located on a dead end street. She was crying hysterically saying that she lost her dog and asked if would the wife(who answered the door) would help her find it. Of course the wife begun to help her search. As they exited the yard the wife saw two men enter the side entrance of her home. She yelled to her husband and the two men quickly ran out of the house with the woman who lost her dog running behind. The police were called,but luckily, nothing was taken and no one was hurt. The officers told them that these gypsies had hit several neighborhoods and that this happened every summer.

I would take this very seriously as they prey on seniors.


QUOTE=senior citizen;766349]Florida Police Warn of (http://consumr.info/florida-police-warn-of-gypsy-scam/)

Just out of curiosity, I typed into my search engine:
POLICE WARN OF GYPSY SCAMS

I ended up with a very long list of various states' law enforcement warning people to be aware of gypsies.

Above hyperlink is from a consumer information site......re Florida police warning back in February 2013.

It's not racist. It just happens to be the gypsy way of life.....

As another poster stated, they usually misrepresent themselves as a roofer, tree trimmer, driveway paver or some such home improvement contractor. Stick with your local and well known guys.

I read myself, elsewhere, that when one rings the doorbell, others are hidden in the "work van".......the "head gypsy" lures the homeowner out to show them the tree damage, etc...or gets the homeowner out to the backyard while others then leave the van and enter the home through the open front door.

Believe me, it's been done up here..........maybe not by gypsies, but when we think back.......those tree trimmers do go door to door.

They do ask you to come outside so that they can show you a tree with damage........and many of us , unsuspectingly, as we had no reason to fear anything, would go out and look.............finally we realized these kind of tree "surgeons" were all schmoes........and stopped using them.

No respectable businessperson needs to go door to door ringing doorbells.

Live and learn. But do not be scammed by the gypsies.

It's their livelihood. They are very clever at what they do and how they do it.[/QUOTE]

[Maiercab]

Last night the square in Lake Sumter - there was a woman and a man 'showing' adorable puppies around. Did not listen to the speal - so not sure if they were selling them then and there. There was at least 2 other people with them in the background. Plus the puppies did not look 8 weeks old.

[BobAllen1290]

This is disturbing

hope this is not the norm in TV I will be looking for a home next week so hope this is not a major problem
Certainly can't have the real world intruding into adult Disneyland! Oh no no!

[Shimpy]

Although I am guilty of liking to leave my garage door open much of the day it would seem best for all of us to keep it closed especially during this time of the year.

[stroglass]

Certainly can't have the real world intruding into adult Disneyland! Oh no no!

I prefer to control as much as possible in my life if I can avoid an area that is crime ridden. i would I have no problem with hard working people who are on hard times but crooks should be dealt with by the law

[Jaggy]

Google " Gypsy's in Central Florida. I did and read some frightening statistics.. I hope most people are savvy enough to not fall for their scams but I worry..

[Bogie Shooter]

I prefer to control as much as possible in my life if I can avoid an area that is crime ridden. i would I have no problem with hard working people who are on hard times but crooks should be dealt with by the law

Come on down. By the time you get here this little episode will be over. Rest assured that crooks are dealt with by the law here in Sumter, Lake & Marion county. Don't take the "sky is falling" crowd on TOTV all that serious....!

[DougB]

This is disturbing

hope this is not the norm in TV I will be looking for a home next week so hope this is not a major problem

This is nothing but worry warts. Your decision needs to be based on more important pertinent things. What's your thoughts on dog poop?

[ariel]

Irish rovers/travelers...large community in North Augusta, SC. Have dealt with them in public health and retail. They are real and just beware of anyone who might want to do a "job" for you or sell you something at a "bargain" price. True, don't ever pay for something until it is done, but also there can be damage that is very difficult to remedy, e.g. driveway coatings, paint. Not racist, just realist. They've been profiled on 20/20, 60 minutes and the national news.

[jacksjd]

We were approached coming out of St. Tim's after 11:00 mass in the parking lot. It was a man holding a sign saying he was out of "werk". Had some kids with him. Wish I'd read this thread before, to know what was really going on. Next time we will call the sheriff!

[Pepperhead]

I hope I can take the Halloween costume back.:D

[CaptJohn]

There is a lot of difference between 'organized crime' and panhandling by the needy.

[ariel]

We were approached coming out of St. Tim's after 11:00 mass in the parking lot. It was a man holding a sign saying he was out of "werk". Had some kids with him. Wish I'd read this thread before, to know what was really going on. Next time we will call the sheriff!

These people are seldom panhandlers; much more likely to try to sell you something or perform a service for you at a cut rate. I'm new to this area, but hopefully there are organizations that people who are hungry or homeless can be directed to? I came here from a very small town in NC. We had/have a wonderful organization that provides meals, lodging and other assistance to people who are in the midst of unfortunate situations. In recent years, there have been so many in need; and many families with young children. I hope we don't confuse the truly needy with those who would intentionally victimize us.

[Barefoot]

Coming from an area where panhandling has increased tenfold since mental hospitals were closed and me being the type that will talk to almost anyone, here's my take. As the weather gets colder in northern climates, these people (not travelers nor gypsies but homeless people, many of whom who are mentally ill) come south and west if they possibly can. So, panhandling will increase in warmer climates during winter months.

Also, lawn people are now beginning to lay people off since grass is beginning to go dormant and weeds aren't popping up as much. This means these folks are also out of work, unable to collect unemployment (majority paid under the table). There really aren't that many options for them but panhandling.

Travelers (whether of Romany descent or otherwise) also come south during the winter. They are less apt to panhandle but more apt to scam people. Strangely, some of them are actually honest and will do an honest day's labor for an honest day's wage. As has always been said, don't pay someone until a job is done. Don't purchase something unless from someone reputable. Keep your eyes open but please don't pre-judge because someone's lifestyle is not yours.

Personally, I have no problems with handing a dollar to someone begging. It is hard, it is humiliating and there but for the grace of God, go I. If they choose to use that dollar to buy cigarettes or alcohol, that's their concern, not mine. My concern is treating every human as if they have value. So, I will continue to give my dollar with no regret. You are free to not give your dollar with no regret -- we each have to make our own choices.

Redwitch, you've made some valid points in your post.

I don't doubt for a second that we should all be cautious when dealing with "fast-talking" strangers. However it's a personal choice if we choose to give money to those we perceive to be underprivileged. As CaptJohn pointed out: "There is a lot of difference between 'organized crime' and panhandling by the needy."

[senior citizen]

[QUOTE=elizabeth52;766411]This warning is spot on. This happened to an elderly couple I know. A gypsy woman knocked on the door of their home which was located on a dead end street. She was crying hysterically saying that she lost her dog and asked if would the wife(who answered the door) would help her find it. Of course the wife begun to help her search. As they exited the yard the wife saw two men enter the side entrance of her home. She yelled to her husband and the two men quickly ran out of the house with the woman who lost her dog running behind. The police were called,but luckily, nothing was taken and no one was hurt. The officers told them that these gypsies had hit several neighborhoods and that this happened every summer.

I would take this very seriously as they prey on seniors.
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Amid suspicions, Europe's Roma and their struggle.......

By now, everyone's seen the evening news which showcased this little blonde girl, kidnapped by the gypsies.......not to mention 10 or more other children by this couple alone. All born within "six months" of each other according to television news, but according to this article they were registered within "twelve months"..
Impossible. So, all "adopted".....as cute little blondes get more money from tourists........who feel sorry for them.

How sad for these kidnapped children.

This happened in GREECE.....but still, there are some gypsies who would not just prey on seniors, but on small innocent children as well.

[buggyone]

Has anyone seen actual Gypsies in The Villages - within the borders of The Villages? I saw the post of a man with an out of work sign and someone presumably selling a puppy - but were they real Gypsies or just a panhandler and some puppy mill operator?

Sure, be wary of workers who ring your doorbell and you should just say NO and close and lock the door. Call Community Watch. Call the Sheriff if you feel scared.

But are they Gypsies? Exercise normal caution but The Villages is a very safe place and it is not necessary to instill fear of all strangers.

[Parker]

There is a lot of difference between 'organized crime' and panhandling by the needy.

Not always.

[Golfingnut]

There is a lot of difference between 'organized crime' and panhandling by the needy.

This thread is about organized gypsies, not the needy. These organized criminals (Gypsies) are not needy.

[babbs455]

are we talking about the rainbow people that trek here from up north...??? or just the ones that hang out on the corners with signs?
Rainbow Family Ocala Forest: Rainbow Family of aging hippies, teen wanderers chills out at annual Ocala National Forest encampment - Orlando Sentinel (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-02-16/news/os-rainbow-people-encampment-ocala-forest-20130213_1_ocala-national-forest-rainbow-gatherings-forest-service)

[redwitch]

are we talking about the rainbow people that trek here from up north...??? or just the ones that hang out on the corners with signs?

Babbs. it seems like anyone and everyone is being tarred with the same brush if they seem impoverished. If you're panhandling, you're likely a gypsy (um, no, you're likely poor -- panhandling is hard work). If you go door to door offering to trim palms (common here year-round, especially after they've gone to seed), you're likely a gypsy (again, probably not). If you go door to door offering roofing, driveway, diseased trees issues, you're likely a gypsy (very possibly -- that is very much their M.O.).

[graciegirl]

Babbs. it seems like anyone and everyone is being tarred with the same brush if they seem impoverished. If you're panhandling, you're likely a gypsy (um, no, you're likely poor -- panhandling is hard work). If you go door to door offering to trim palms (common here year-round, especially after they've gone to seed), you're likely a gypsy (again, probably not). If you go door to door offering roofing, driveway, diseased trees issues, you're likely a gypsy (very possibly -- that is very much their M.O.).


You are right of course Redwitch. There are gypsies, tramps and thieves but I haven't seen them here.

The initial post was saying that someone was spotted begging, and someone saw a person on campus begging.

I said I knew that there were bands of travelers years ago, and we were off to the races.

Be safe. Be a little skeptical. Give to the food pantry and contribute used items to Goodwill and St. Vincent de Paul or any good charity of your choice.

Imitate Buggy one who regularly volunteers to serve food to the hungry.

It is all good. All good.

I know for sure Redwitch isn't a witch. Well I am pretty sure. ;) She sits WAY over on the end seat across the political aisle from me, but I still love her.

[Parker]

Compassion, and charitable giving, are common among us. As far as who we give to, or do for, this is an individual decision. I've known people who give to darn near everyone with their hands out, assuming they must need stuff or they wouldn't ask. I've known others who are much more careful, but equally as generous once an honest need is established. There are indeed many questionable characters trying to take advantage of good folks trying to do the right thing in life. So to all those 'poverty snobs' who think their method of giving is the only right and legitimate method, please rethink, and don't assume others are either racially or culturally motivated.

Disclaimer: This is not directed as anyone specifically, as I know the folks on this site are a great and caring bunch, even those I don't agree with.

[senior citizen]

This thread is about organized gypsies, not the needy. These organized criminals (Gypsies) are not needy.

You are right. Totally right.

By the looks of some of the families in their own homes (via links I've seen), their homes are quite opulent (fancy schmancy as my little grandson would say) and they dress to the nines....again, dripping in jewelry and luxurious clothing. They don't look poor at all. Quite ornate as a matter of fact. Not modestly or humbly attired. Probably all the jewelry they stole.

Some drive Cadillacs..........

Obviously, like with all ethnic groups, there are no doubt different "tribes".
For those who mentioned they look Hispanic.......they are swarthier complexion as they have Indian (not American Indian but Indian and Pakistani mixed with Romanian and Hungarian) in their native mix.

Hungary was invaded by Turks, etc. as were other countries....

For those who said they look like rednecks......then those probably are not gypsies. Unless they are in their Halloween disguise.

The blonde children are no doubt from northern Europe; law enforcement is looking into this...........as are some American parents such as the family of missing baby Lisa........she would be about the same age as that little Maria. Maria's D.N.A. did NOT match up with the two gypsy parents who are now in JAIL.

Now that would be intriguing; if they were stealing babies from the U.S.

Thinking ahead to those who will say, "What does that have to do with THE VILLAGES".........it just shows the lifestyle of gypsies, past and present.

It was interesting to note they have no word in their Rom language for possession. Such as "to own". Thus, I guess they feel "What's yours is mine and what's mine is yours". Or some such thing.

[JeffAVEWS]

This afternoon, around 2pm, there was a woman outside the entrance to Southern Trace shopping center. She was holding a sign that said that she and her young son were forced to live in their car as she had lost her job. The child was sitting on the grass next to her. She definitely looked Roma. I went into the shopping center and called Community Watch who said that they had had several complaints about her and they were sending someone over. I didn't wait to see if they actually came, but this sounds similar to the story that a former poster said happened outside of Colony.
I was at the Publix Store in SS Saturday, a young boy was driving one of the electric baskets and He picked up a Halloween toy. He made a purchase and went outside to His Mother, who was panhandling with the "Living in Car" sign. I saw her stuff the change from the boy in Her bra.

[graciegirl]

I was at the Publix Store in SS Saturday, a young boy was driving one of the electric baskets and He picked up a Halloween toy. He made a purchase and went outside to His Mother, who was panhandling with the "Living in Car" sign. I saw her stuff the change from the boy in Her bra.

Are you kidding? I mean, I am asking you sincerely whether your post was meant to be sarcastic humor. Did you post this in order to be funny, or did it happen?

[senior citizen]

Are you kidding? I mean, I am asking you sincerely whether your post was meant to be sarcastic humor. Did you post this in order to be funny, or did it happen?

I think he's saying it straight out that the money they were getting from panhandling, was given to the little boy....who went into the store to buy a Halloween toy. The change from that purchase was taken by the mother and deposited where she keeps her spare change.

I guess even gypsies don't deny their little ones a toy, whether poor or not.
I didn't see any other motive in his post.....than the boy bought a toy with the charity.

[senior citizen]

http://florida.newszap.com/okeechobeenorthlake/119898-113/gypsy-scammers-facing-over-70-felony-charges (http://florida.newszap.com/okeechobeenorthlake/119898-113/gypsy-scammers-facing-over-70-felony-charges)
Florida Gypsy scammers facing over 70 felony charges.
Remember, they "travel"....they are known as "the travelers" among other things. It's their lifestyle. Here today,gone tomorrow.

Police warnings all over the internet for every county in Florida and all the various states.......and Europe of course. They are criminals.

http://www.wfla.com/story/21084717/traveling-gypsy (http://www.wfla.com/story/21084717/traveling-gypsy)
Polk County Florida this past March; pics of the gypsy scammers.It's all over Florida if you google "gypsy scams 2013"; otherwise you get all the other years as well.

　

http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/blog/morning-edition/2013/01/hillsborough-sheriff-warns-of-gypsy.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/blog/morning-edition/2013/01/hillsborough-sheriff-warns-of-gypsy.html)
Tampa Bay area

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zE0zqfZLWAGypsy
"Sweetheart" Scam, Orlando Florida; young gypsies preying on senior males

There are also a lot of gypsy fortune teller scams....but too many to post.

Ditto, a myriad of "healing" of cancer gypsy scams....again too many to post.

As someone else mentioned earlier.......in this day and age, there is no need to panhandle or beg for funds. Our social welfare climate will help them. Our churches should help those in dire need as well.

Help is out there. It truly is. Via legitimate avenues.

They don't want to give their identities or addresses or social security numbers........

　

　

　




　

[senior citizen]

Citizens and homeowners should also be very wary of:

• Strangers knocking on your front door and striking up a long conversation. While you’re talking to the stranger their partner is either looking over your home or breaking into your home from the back.

• Hiring strangers to work on your house. One worker will keep you talking, while another is stealing from you.

• Hiring a caregiver without carefully checking their credentials. Run a criminal background check or ask agencies to provide you with a copy of the actual report.

• A caregiver who enters into an inappropriate relationship with an elderly loved one.

• A caregiver who tries to isolate your loved one and makes it difficult or impossible to speak to your loved one on the telephone.

• Fortune-telling scams where you or a loved one are told that evil is close but it can be warded off with help from the gypsy.

• Strangers either knocking on your door at home or approaching you in a parking lot about needing help because they are having car trouble.

The major also said homeowners should simply beware and ask questions. He said if there are any concerns, a legitimate contractor will appreciate you checking their license.

[buggyone]

As far as the "fortune telling scams" mentioned, aren't all fortune tellers scammers? Any fool who falls for someone telling their fortune and scamming money from them deserves to have their money taken away - either by the the phony fortune teller OR by a court because they are not competent to handle their own funds.

[dillywho]

As far as the "fortune telling scams" mentioned, aren't all fortune tellers scammers? Any fool who falls for someone telling their fortune and scamming money from them deserves to have their money taken away - either by the the phony fortune teller OR by a court because they are not competent to handle their own funds.

Isn't "getting their fortune told" just simply paid entertainment for some? Just sayin'.

[Shimpy]

Isn't "getting their fortune told" just simply paid entertainment for some? Just sayin'.

No. What could possibly be entertainment over giving someone your money to tell your fortune which you know is BS. For those that believe in it there is no help. I think it should be considered fraud and against the law.

[jblum315]

It's no more fraud than paying to watch a magician perform.

[Pepperhead]

It's no more fraud than paying to watch a magician perform.

Or professional wrestling.

[dillywho]

It's no more fraud than paying to watch a magician perform.

True.