Using olive oil because you think it's healthy, it's time to think again!

[jimbo2012]

Rich Olive Oil, impairs endothelial function after eating. If you've been using olive oil because you think it's healthy, it's time to think again.

Here's Why You May Want to Think Twice About Olive Oil

From Dr. Dean Ornish: It's 100% fat and 14% of it is saturated. At 120 calories a tablespoon it's very easy to eat too much of "a bad thing". It won't raise your LDL as much as butter or other saturated fats will, so it might look like it's reducing your cholesterol, but it's still raising it. It's just not raising it as much other fats would! It's the omega-3's that reduce inflammation and are "heart healthy", and olive oil has very little omega-3, maybe 1%. It's mostly omega-9, which has been shown to impair blood vessel function.

From Dr. Robert Vogel of the University of Maryland: Back in 2000 Vogel based his study on the Lyon Heart Study, which is the big-time study that got us all to eat the Mediterranean Diet. He wanted to see how olive oil, salmon (fish oil) and canola oil actually affect the blood vessels. Using the brachial artery tourniquet test he had 10 healthy volunteers with normal cholesterol ingest 50 grams of fat, in the form of olive oil & bread, canola oil & bread, and salmon. Measuring their arterial blood flow before & after each meal Vogel could tell whether or not a meal was causing damage to the endothelial lining of the brachial artery, based on how the blood was flowing through the artery after the meal was eaten. The results really surprised him. The olive oil constricted blood flow by a whopping 31% after the meal; the canola oil constricted it by 10%; and the salmon reduced it by only 2%. Why should we care? Because when the arteries constrict, the endothelium (the vessel's lining) is injured, triggering plaque build-up, or atherosclerosis. Vogel RA. Corretti MC. Plotnick GD. The postprandial effect of components of the Mediterranean diet on endothelial function. Journal of the American College of Cardiology. 36(5):1455-60, 2000 Nov 1. Similar results have been found it later studies. This isn't just a one-hit wonder. Interestingly, walnuts, which have Omega-3's have also been shown to improve blood flow by 24% using the brachial artery tourniquet test. Go omega 3's!

How does olive oil constrict blood vessels?: Dr. Vogel discovered back in 1999 that a high fat meal blocks the endothelium's ability to produce that all important NITRIC OXIDE, which is a vasodilator and critical to preserving the tone & health of our blood vessels. When olive oil constricts the blood vessels it's because it's blocking the production of nitric oxide. Not a good thing!

From Dr. Caldwell Esseltsyn: Dr. E tells a story in his book about Rev. William Valentine of North Carolina who had a quintuple bypass in 1990. Since his surgery he followed a strict plant-based diet, dropping from 210 pounds to 156 pounds. For 14 years he maintained his weight & his diet. But by 2004 he started to experience a recurrence of angina, especially when he exercised. He promptly contacted Dr. Esselstyn after reading about his success in reversing heart disease in a health newsletter. Valentine wanted no part of a repeat bypass or other intervention. He assured Dr. E that he only ate whole grains, legumes, vegetable & fruit. A baffled Dr. E prompted him to repeat once again everything he was eating, leaving nothing out.

"He had forgotten to mention that he was consuming "heart healthy" olive oil at every lunch and dinner and in salads. It was what they call a Eureka moment. Immediately, I advised him to give up the olive oil. He did--and within seven weeks, his angina had completely disappeared." Dr. Esselstyn


Little known fact: Olive oil, which got its big "heart healthy" start with the Lyon Study, wasn't even used in the study. The study volunteers didn't like the taste of it, so canola oil was substituted for olive oil. All the benefit that we attributed to olive oil, was actually from Omega-3 enriched canola oil.


What does Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn advise?: When it comes to olive oil, canola or any oil--FORGET ABOUT IT.

He does advise taking a tablespoon of flaxseed every day for omega 3's.

We have been on an oil free diet almost three years, the results have been nothing short of amazing BP decreased no more need for those meds.

Plaque was reduced so significantly the tests were deemed incorrect and repeated.

Only to find they were in fact correct.

On salads for instance we have different types of balsamic vinegar rather than balsamic vinaigrette, the vinaigrette has oil.

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[Villages PL]

Rich Olive Oil, impairs endothelial function after eating. If you've been using olive oil because you think it's healthy, it's time to think again.

Here's Why You May Want to Think Twice About Olive Oil

From Dr. Dean Ornish: It's 100% fat and 14% of it is saturated. At 120 calories a tablespoon it's very easy to eat too much of "a bad thing". It won't raise your LDL as much as butter or other saturated fats will, so it might look like it's reducing your cholesterol, but it's still raising it. It's just not raising it as much other fats would! It's the omega-3's that reduce inflammation and are "heart healthy", and olive oil has very little omega-3, maybe 1%. It's mostly omega-9, which has been shown to impair blood vessel function.

From Dr. Robert Vogel of the University of Maryland: Back in 2000 Vogel based his study on the Lyon Heart Study, which is the big-time study that got us all to eat the Mediterranean Diet. He wanted to see how olive oil, salmon (fish oil) and canola oil actually affect the blood vessels. Using the brachial artery tourniquet test he had 10 healthy volunteers with normal cholesterol ingest 50 grams of fat, in the form of olive oil & bread, canola oil & bread, and salmon. Measuring their arterial blood flow before & after each meal Vogel could tell whether or not a meal was causing damage to the endothelial lining of the brachial artery, based on how the blood was flowing through the artery after the meal was eaten. The results really surprised him. The olive oil constricted blood flow by a whopping 31% after the meal; the canola oil constricted it by 10%; and the salmon reduced it by only 2%. Why should we care? Because when the arteries constrict, the endothelium (the vessel's lining) is injured, triggering plaque build-up, or atherosclerosis. Vogel RA. Corretti MC. Plotnick GD. The postprandial effect of components of the Mediterranean diet on endothelial function. Journal of the American College of Cardiology. 36(5):1455-60, 2000 Nov 1. Similar results have been found it later studies. This isn't just a one-hit wonder. Interestingly, walnuts, which have Omega-3's have also been shown to improve blood flow by 24% using the brachial artery tourniquet test. Go omega 3's!

How does olive oil constrict blood vessels?: Dr. Vogel discovered back in 1999 that a high fat meal blocks the endothelium's ability to produce that all important NITRIC OXIDE, which is a vasodilator and critical to preserving the tone & health of our blood vessels. When olive oil constricts the blood vessels it's because it's blocking the production of nitric oxide. Not a good thing!

From Dr. Caldwell Esseltsyn: Dr. E tells a story in his book about Rev. William Valentine of North Carolina who had a quintuple bypass in 1990. Since his surgery he followed a strict plant-based diet, dropping from 210 pounds to 156 pounds. For 14 years he maintained his weight & his diet. But by 2004 he started to experience a recurrence of angina, especially when he exercised. He promptly contacted Dr. Esselstyn after reading about his success in reversing heart disease in a health newsletter. Valentine wanted no part of a repeat bypass or other intervention. He assured Dr. E that he only ate whole grains, legumes, vegetable & fruit. A baffled Dr. E prompted him to repeat once again everything he was eating, leaving nothing out.

"He had forgotten to mention that he was consuming "heart healthy" olive oil at every lunch and dinner and in salads. It was what they call a Eureka moment. Immediately, I advised him to give up the olive oil. He did--and within seven weeks, his angina had completely disappeared." Dr. Esselstyn


Little known fact: Olive oil, which got its big "heart healthy" start with the Lyon Study, wasn't even used in the study. The study volunteers didn't like the taste of it, so canola oil was substituted for olive oil. All the benefit that we attributed to olive oil, was actually from Omega-3 enriched canola oil.


What does Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn advise?: When it comes to olive oil, canola or any oil--FORGET ABOUT IT.

He does advise taking a tablespoon of flaxseed every day for omega 3's.

We have been on an oil free diet almost three years, the results have been nothing short of amazing BP decreased no more need for those meds.

Plaque was reduced so significantly the tests were deemed incorrect and repeated.

Only to find they were in fact correct.

On salads for instance we have different types of balsamic vinegar rather than balsamic vinaigrette, the vinaigrette has oil.

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Here's a question I have been wrestling with: The human body has trillions(?) of cells and every cell contains some saturated fat for cell construction, otherwise the cell wall, for example, wouldn't have the strength that it needs. If we don't get any saturated fat from our diet, our body will manufacture it. Except, as one lipids expert has said, the saturated fat that we manufacture is not as good as what we would get from our diet.

I'm not suggesting that we suddenly start eating a lot of saturated fat but I don't see the harm in having a little olive oil for flavoring, assuming we can maintain an ideal weight, as I do.

[Golfingnut]

Not only that, but Olive Oil is proven to be better than veg oil. Read all of the OP posts, and you will find a little over the top advice.

[jimbo2012]

I don't see the harm in having a little olive oil for flavoring, assuming we can maintain an ideal weight, as I do.

Ask your endothelium cells how they like it?

[Shimpy]

Ask your endothelium cells how they like it?

I can see your point but can you give me an alternative to olive oil to put in my skillet to keep my egg beaters from sticking? That's the only oil I use.

[jimbo2012]

I can see your point but can you give me an alternative to olive oil to put in my skillet to keep my egg beaters from sticking? That's the only oil I use.

Well I don't eat fake eggs(dairy), so I have no first hand experience.

In fact I think a poached egg is healthier than that crap.

But to saute other things U can use Vegetable broth or tomato sauce w/o oil, wine or red wine, braggs liquid aminos, pineapple juice etc.

I use that canola oil spray for my eggbeaters. Works great and they never stick. :thumbup:

Sure but what is sticking to walls of your arteries?

We're talking about not using oil?

If you can't understand the connection with oils and artery damage......well


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[jimbo2012]

then if that source is satisfactory for U by all means follow it.

Anyone else should read the info in post #1, the Autobike guys didn't or didn't get it.

[rubicon]

Experts. Gosh you can't live with them but you can't live without them. Hmmmm Oh yes you can.

The assumption was that saturated fat and cholestrol in red meat created heart disease. a recent study in the Journal Nature Medicine points to carnitine a compound found abundant in red meat and also sold as a dietary supplement and found in energy drinks. Carnitine transports fatty acids into cells to be used as energy Cleveland Clinic found that with a certain bacteria in the digestive tract converts carnitine to another metaboite called TMAO that promotes atherosclerosis.

Now we are back to what is good for the goose may or not be good for the gander. If my body does not possess that certain bacteria then it will not interfere with the proper processing of canitine to give me that energy boost.

The problem with any and all of these studies is that they are general in nature given we are dealing with billions of people with diverse eating , physical and other habits.

EVOO may not be good for goose but gander loves the taste without compromising her health. In a real life situation my gander is my wife and she does not restrict her diet. yet when she tests for cholestrol her LDL's are so low and her HDL's so high she gets a false reading of a negative nature when in fact her readings are super.

I respect and truly take heed and certainly would not throw caution to the wind for those offering advice either be they experts or people like jimbo who study such issues in detail. But one must account for the fact that even with the best intentions such issues are open for further interpretations and conclusions.

I once again default to my natural position of "moderation in all things."

I mean what good is life without a periodic bannana split, etc.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Experts. Gosh you can't live with them but you can't live without them. Hmmmm Oh yes you can.

The assumption was that saturated fat and cholestrol in red meat created heart disease. a recent study in the Journal Nature Medicine points to carnitine a compound found abundant in red meat and also sold as a dietary supplement and found in energy drinks. Carnitine transports fatty acids into cells to be used as energy Cleveland Clinic found that with a certain bacteria in the digestive tract converts carnitine to another metaboite called TMAO that promotes atherosclerosis.

Now we are back to what is good for the goose may or not be good for the gander. If my body does not possess that certain bacteria then it will not interfere with the proper processing of canitine to give me that energy boost.

The problem with any and all of these studies is that they are general in nature given we are dealing with billions of people with diverse eating , physical and other habits.

EVOO may not be good for goose but gander loves the taste without compromising her health. In a real life situation my gander is my wife and she does not restrict her diet. yet when she tests for cholestrol her LDL's are so low and her HDL's so high she gets a false reading of a negative nature when in fact her readings are super.

I respect and truly take heed and certainly would not throw caution to the wind for those offering advice either be they experts or people like jimbo who study such issues in detail. But one must account for the fact that even with the best intentions such issues are open for further interpretations and conclusions.

I once again default to my natural position of "moderation in all things."

I mean what good is life without a periodic bannana split, etc.

Very intelligent and well thought out post!

[Villages PL]

Ask your endothelium cells how they like it?

When our bodies produce saturated fat for cell construction, where do you think it gets produced? I would assume it gets produced by the liver. Then how does the saturated fat get from the liver to where the new cells are being "constructed"? The only mode of travel in the body is by way of the blood stream. How does the endothelium survive that?

[Shimpy]

Well I don't eat fake eggs(dairy), so I have no first hand experience.

In fact I think a poached egg is healthier than that crap.

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It's great to have an expert nutritionist on this board. How do you consider Egg Beaters fake eggs when it is eggs without the yoke which contains the cholesterol. Your recommended poached eggs, of course contain the yoke and cholesteral. I know where you are coming from. I see you as reading a book or two, believing in the theory, and preaching to the rest of us because you want to be helpful. How do you explain how the Mediterranean diet gets high marks with so many people living to the 90's and more using so much OLIVE OIL????

[pooh]

A little chemistry about what goes on.....


The body uses saturated fatty acids mainly as a source of energy, but also as a building material (cell membranes). It obtains them either directly from food, or by conversion from sugars and starches. It is only when the level of saturated fatty acids in the body becomes excessive that they become a health problem. And this occurs when the rate of their absorption/conversion is higher than the rate at which the body burns the excess for energy.

Obviously, the key is in balancing your saturated lipids and carbohydrate intake with your physical activity.

Another common scenario of excess saturated fats intake being unhealthy over-consumption of animal fats from meats, eggs or dairy. Here, it is not saturated fats themselves, but the accompanying animal-made unsaturated fatty acid - arachidonic acid, also made by our own bodies - that does the harm. It is metabolized by the body to pro-inflammatory 2 Series prostaglandins and leukotrienes, more so when Omega-3 unsaturated fatty acid intake is low. These prostaglandins also make blood platelets more sticky, further promoting their aggregation and clot formation.

[jimbo2012]

It's great to have an expert nutritionist on this board. How do you consider Egg Beaters fake eggs when it is eggs without the yoke which contains the cholesterol. Your recommended poached eggs, of course contain the yoke and cholesteral. I know where you are coming from. I see you as reading a book or two, believing in the theory, and preaching to the rest of us because you want to be helpful. How do you explain how the Mediterranean diet gets high marks with so many people living to the 90's and more using so much OLIVE OIL????

If I recall correctly did you not have a cardiac event? I apologize if I'm incorrect.

I studied a lot more than a book or two, not preaching at all just relaying the facts of others and our personal results and those close friends who changed to vegan diet/lifestyle.

No one is twisting your arm to read it or do it. Do what works for U

For U to ask about the Mediterranean diet, I don't think you saw the 8 minute video by Dr. Jeff Novick I posted before, he nails it!

see here (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/medical-health-discussion-94/mediterranean-diet-cuts-risk-heart-disease-71119/#post632476)

Back to fake eggs

Ingredients in egg beaters:
Egg Whites, Salt, Onion Powder, Vegetable Gums (Xanthan Gum, Guar Gum), Maltodextrin. Vitamins and Minerals: Calcium Sulfate, Iron (Ferric Phosphate), Vitamin E (Alpha Tocopherol Acetate), Zinc Sulfate, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12, Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin), Vitamin B1 (Thiamine Mononitrate), Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine Hydrochloride), Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin D3

Xanthan gum (from China) is a polysaccharide secreted by the bacterium Xanthomonas campestris,used as a food additive and rheology modifier, commonly used as a food thickening agent and a stabilizer (in cosmetic products, for example, to prevent ingredients from separating). It is produced by the fermentation of glucose, sucrose, or lactose. After a fermentation period, the polysaccharide is precipitated from a growth medium with isopropyl alcohol, dried, and ground into a fine powder. Later, it is added to a liquid medium to form the gum.

Evaluation of workers exposed to xanthan gum dust found evidence of a link to respiratory symptoms.

Only fake industrial food-like products need stuff like that.

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While protein is found in the entire egg, most of its nutritional value is contained in the yolk--which is also, unfortunately, where most of the egg's cholesterol resides.

Nutrients not present in Egg Beaters that are found in farm eggs include choline, is a "little-known but essential nutrient". Other nutrients missing from Egg Beaters are lutein and zeaxanthin, which protect the eyes against age-related conditions such as cataracts and macular degeneration.

The only ingredient in an egg is…..

When it comes to cholesterol, researchers have found that eggs barely influence cholesterol levels. If you eat 1-2 eggs a couple times a week, MOST cholesterol levels will not be affected.

Also, even though nutrients may be added back in to Egg Beaters to enhance the nutritional quality, “the problem with this nutrient specific approach is that science has yet to identify hundreds of other nutrients and their interaction amongst each other when naturally present in a food.

Selecting a few nutrients and focusing on them instead of on a whole food is part of a larger problem in the US food system today.”


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[jimbo2012]

When our bodies produce saturated fat for cell construction, where do you think it gets produced? I would assume it gets produced by the liver. Then how does the saturated fat get from the liver to where the new cells are being "constructed"? The only mode of travel in the body is by way of the blood stream. How does the endothelium survive that?

The human body can make all the saturated fat it needs.:thumbup:

[rubicon]

A little chemistry about what goes on.....


The body uses saturated fatty acids mainly as a source of energy, but also as a building material (cell membranes). It obtains them either directly from food, or by conversion from sugars and starches. It is only when the level of saturated fatty acids in the body becomes excessive that they become a health problem. And this occurs when the rate of their absorption/conversion is higher than the rate at which the body burns the excess for energy.

Obviously, the key is in balancing your saturated lipids and carbohydrate intake with your physical activity.

Another common scenario of excess saturated fats intake being unhealthy over-consumption of animal fats from meats, eggs or dairy. Here, it is not saturated fats themselves, but the accompanying animal-made unsaturated fatty acid - arachidonic acid, also made by our own bodies - that does the harm. It is metabolized by the body to pro-inflammatory 2 Series prostaglandins and leukotrienes, more so when Omega-3 unsaturated fatty acid intake is low. These prostaglandins also make blood platelets more sticky, further promoting their aggregation and clot formation.

pooh: Help me here. Based on your aforementioned comments what are your thoughts on a Harvard health Study done some years ago wherein medical people defined three types of people Excretors,Compensators and Storers of cholestrol. The first type passed cholestrol through the system. the second group balanced the amiubt of cholestrol taken with that which was produced by the body and eliminated the excess. The third group well their system just liked cholestrol so much it stored all it could get. This article made sense to me. It also occurred to me that something could upset this balance and compensators could become storers.

[pooh]

pooh: Help me here. Based on your aforementioned comments what are your thoughts on a Harvard health Study done some years ago wherein medical people defined three types of people Excretors,Compensators and Storers of cholestrol. The first type passed cholestrol through the system. the second group balanced the amiubt of cholestrol taken with that which was produced by the body and eliminated the excess. The third group well their system just liked cholestrol so much it stored all it could get. This article made sense to me. It also occurred to me that something could upset this balance and compensators could become storers.

Fats have become the bad guy over the years.....but not all fats are the bad guys. Bodies use fats for energy, cell building, and almost all foods, including veggies, contain fats, though in small amounts. They also are filling...we are satisfied and can go longer between feedings. Of course, ingestion of too many fats isn't good, too many calories. Too much of anything isn't good...:)

I haven't read the study you've mentioned, but have heard something about the conclusions drawn or seen. Each of us is unique and different from one another. We are the results of a genetic soup and react and respond to stimuli in our own biochemical way. My Dad was a big beef, chicken, egg eater. He lived to 97 years of age. His cholesterol levels were always fantastic. Mom, who lived to 88, was more of a carb eater than heavy protein. Her figures were always higher than his. My brother seems to show low cholesterol levels like Dad. My sister and I tend to be more like Mom. Guess Dad had that non-responder type of body chemistry as far as this particular reaction is concerned.
Everyone should realize that highly processed foods, sodas, sweets, etc. offer calories, often times more than we need, and excess amounts of sugars, salt, and simple carbs that can adversely impact blood sugar levels. Moderation is the key as well as knowing how your body reacts and responds to foods. We are adults and have lived in our bodies for many years. Learning to eat correctly for your body chemistry is an ongoing process. We do not live without cellular change. Some is due to aging, some the result of environment, food intake, stress, so we should do our best to monitor ourselves, within limits. Personally, I think a hot fudge sundae every now and then is fun, delicious and satisfying.
No offense to those who are on much more strict food regimens....food is only one part of life and in addition to providing me with energy, I want more of a variety. Strictly plant based doesn't work well for me.....emotionally as well as biochemically.

Damnation, I'd better get off of my soapbox now and get some breakfast....an egg, yogurt, fruit, one small slice of bacon and toast.

[graciegirl]

Experts. Gosh you can't live with them but you can't live without them. Hmmmm Oh yes you can.

The assumption was that saturated fat and cholestrol in red meat created heart disease. a recent study in the Journal Nature Medicine points to carnitine a compound found abundant in red meat and also sold as a dietary supplement and found in energy drinks. Carnitine transports fatty acids into cells to be used as energy Cleveland Clinic found that with a certain bacteria in the digestive tract converts carnitine to another metaboite called TMAO that promotes atherosclerosis.

Now we are back to what is good for the goose may or not be good for the gander. If my body does not possess that certain bacteria then it will not interfere with the proper processing of canitine to give me that energy boost.

The problem with any and all of these studies is that they are general in nature given we are dealing with billions of people with diverse eating , physical and other habits.

EVOO may not be good for goose but gander loves the taste without compromising her health. In a real life situation my gander is my wife and she does not restrict her diet. yet when she tests for cholestrol her LDL's are so low and her HDL's so high she gets a false reading of a negative nature when in fact her readings are super.

I respect and truly take heed and certainly would not throw caution to the wind for those offering advice either be they experts or people like jimbo who study such issues in detail. But one must account for the fact that even with the best intentions such issues are open for further interpretations and conclusions.

I once again default to my natural position of "moderation in all things."

I mean what good is life without a periodic bannana split, etc.

Pooh (Quote)
Fats have become the bad guy over the years.....but not all fats are the bad guys. Bodies use fats for energy, cell building, and almost all foods, including veggies, contain fats, though in small amounts. They also are filling...we are satisfied and can go longer between feedings. Of course, ingestion of too many fats isn't good, too many calories. Too much of anything isn't good...:)

I haven't read the study you've mentioned, but have heard something about the conclusions drawn or seen. Each of us is unique and different from one another. We are the results of a genetic soup and react and respond to stimuli in our own biochemical way. My Dad was a big beef, chicken, egg eater. He lived to 97 years of age. His cholesterol levels were always fantastic. Mom, who lived to 88, was more of a carb eater than heavy protein. Her figures were always higher than his. My brother seems to show low cholesterol levels like Dad. My sister and I tend to be more like Mom. Guess Dad had that non-responder type of body chemistry as far as this particular reaction is concerned.
Everyone should realize that highly processed foods, sodas, sweets, etc. offer calories, often times more than we need, and excess amounts of sugars, salt, and simple carbs that can adversely impact blood sugar levels. Moderation is the key as well as knowing how your body reacts and responds to foods. We are adults and have lived in our bodies for many years. Learning to eat correctly for your body chemistry is an ongoing process. We do not live without cellular change. Some is due to aging, some the result of environment, food intake, stress, so we should do our best to monitor ourselves, within limits. Personally, I think a hot fudge sundae every now and then is fun, delicious and satisfying.
No offense to those who are on much more strict food regimens....food is only one part of life and in addition to providing me with energy, I want more of a variety. Strictly plant based doesn't work well for me.....emotionally as well as biochemically.

Damnation, I'd better get off of my soapbox now and get some breakfast....an egg, yogurt, fruit, one small slice of bacon and toast. (quote)


Pooh (quote)

A little chemistry about what goes on.....


The body uses saturated fatty acids mainly as a source of energy, but also as a building material (cell membranes). It obtains them either directly from food, or by conversion from sugars and starches. It is only when the level of saturated fatty acids in the body becomes excessive that they become a health problem. And this occurs when the rate of their absorption/conversion is higher than the rate at which the body burns the excess for energy.

Obviously, the key is in balancing your saturated lipids and carbohydrate intake with your physical activity.

Another common scenario of excess saturated fats intake being unhealthy over-consumption of animal fats from meats, eggs or dairy. Here, it is not saturated fats themselves, but the accompanying animal-made unsaturated fatty acid - arachidonic acid, also made by our own bodies - that does the harm. It is metabolized by the body to pro-inflammatory 2 Series prostaglandins and leukotrienes, more so when Omega-3 unsaturated fatty acid intake is low. These prostaglandins also make blood platelets more sticky, further promoting their aggregation and clot formation. (quote)

Excellent posts.

[graciegirl]

This "AutoBike guy" spent 25 years as a research manager for chemical companies and has a licensed dietician daughter working in the PICU at Johns Hopkins Medical Center in Baltimore that has drilled the benefits of olive oil into me.
Since you didn't like my first reference, maybe you'll believe the Mayo Clinic's expert in nutrition on the subject.
Olive oil: What are the health benefits? - MayoClinic.com (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/food-and-nutrition/AN01037)

I'm not trying to be argumentative with you, but rather respectfully trying to get you to see that your referenced author is the EXCEPTION to the generally-held medical opinion re Olive Oil.


BOY HOWDY!:highfive::thumbup::22yikes::D:BigApplause:

[jimbo2012]

This "AutoBike guy" spent 25 years as a research manager for chemical companies and has a licensed dietician daughter working in the PICU at Johns Hopkins Medical Center in Baltimore that has drilled the benefits of olive oil into me.
Since you didn't like my first reference, maybe you'll believe the Mayo Clinic's expert in nutrition on the subject.
Olive oil: What are the health benefits? - MayoClinic.com (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/food-and-nutrition/AN01037)

I'm not trying to be argumentative with you, but rather respectfully trying to get you to see that your referenced author is the EXCEPTION to the generally-held medical opinion re Olive Oil.

Because it was drilled into U doesn't make it the gold standard does it?

That article is by a very well respected Dr. no doubt, but if U look at all his published papers (http://mayoresearch.mayo.edu/mayo/research/staff/publications-listed.cfm?personid=10315608) none touch upon the subject of a plant based diet or the benefits of olive oil.

You one link to a very brief comment is not a scientific paper.

We follow the following Dr's, Esseltyn, Colin Campbell & dean Ornish, McDougal etc these Dr's are on the current edge of diet & nutrition and have IMO the strongest resumes and research on this subject.

They were put on the world stage treating Bill Clinton, then the followed up with DVD documentary "Fork over knives" the best selling DVD on Amazon last year.

In January I did a showing of that movie at the Savannah Ctr and arranged to have one of the patients in the movie along with myself follow up with a 90 minute Q&A, 225 people attended.

It was an eye opener for all.

Bottom line all oils damage the arteries, my own medical studies (MRI's, Echo's) bear that out. This diet can clean out your arteries - FACT.

I never claimed to be an expert, :read: so please don't complain about my advice or opinions on heath & diet until U start paying me. :1rotfl:




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[Cantwaittoarrive]

This "AutoBike guy" spent 25 years as a research manager for chemical companies and has a licensed dietician daughter working in the PICU at Johns Hopkins Medical Center in Baltimore that has drilled the benefits of olive oil into me.
Since you didn't like my first reference, maybe you'll believe the Mayo Clinic's expert in nutrition on the subject.
Olive oil: What are the health benefits? - MayoClinic.com (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/food-and-nutrition/AN01037)

I'm not trying to be argumentative with you, but rather respectfully trying to get you to see that your referenced author is the EXCEPTION to the generally-held medical opinion re Olive Oil.

I also agree that much of the research surrounding olive oil shows many benefits. I personally use olive oil very liberally and have arteries that are clean and clear. What works for one or is healthy for one is not always healthy for all, this is why they use many subjects when they study any protocol. Also you can find studies and doctors that will support the benefit of any "healthy lifestyle" you wish to follow and if someone follows that protocol they will usually defend it to the death no matter what conflicting evidence is presented.

[jimbo2012]

I personally use olive oil very liberally and have arteries that are clean and clear. .

And do you know that?

R U taking any cholesterol meds?

What tests did you have done, care to share that?

[pooh]

There are some studies that show the benefits of a Med diet which includes olive oil. One study was done in Canada. Results were presented at the Canadian Cardiovascular Conference. Researchers were from the University of Montreal-affiliated ÉPIC Center of the Montreal Heart Institute. Studies were published on the New England Journal of Medicine's web site in Feb. of this year. The findings were based on the first major clinical trial to measure the diet’s effect on heart risks.

We can all find various studies that might strengthen our position. Jimbo's diet strategy works well for him....he has seen significant changes for the good in his physical and biochemical condition. Others have seen similar results following a Medeterranian diet plan. Not all can adhere to a vegan eating plan, and find alternatives more appealing...and results for them could be just as beneficial.
No two people are alike, no two people have the same response to stimuli.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it....:D

[jimbo2012]

Pooh, a vegan diet at first takes will power, not everyone can do it.

Sometimes it takes a medical event to find that will power.

There is another group of vegans that R on a plant based diet due to the way animals are raised and slaughtered.

For those interested in asking diet questions and a zillion other health questions check out

Dr. McDougall's Online Discussion Board • Index page (http://www.drmcdougall.com/forums/index.php)

10,000 members 350,000 posts

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[pooh]

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And in the spirit of full disclosure, I borrowed the above links from here:
Debunking Myths About An Animal Based Diet | EUPHORY (http://euphory.com/debunking-myths-about-an-animal-based-diet/)
The author does a great job of shooting holes in the movie in great depth.

I thought I was the only one around here that read that "review"......;)

[pooh]

Pooh, a vegan diet at first takes will power, not everyone can do it.

Sometimes it takes a medical event to find that will power.

There is another group of vegans that R on a plant based diet due to the way animals are raised and slaughtered.

For those interested in asking diet questions and a zillion other health questions check out

Dr. McDougall's Online Discussion Board • Index page (http://www.drmcdougall.com/forums/index.php)

10,000 members 350,000 posts

.

I have no doubt it takes will power. For me, physiologically and psychologically, it's a no go. Even those who espouse vegan diets differ in just what is appropriate as far as what foods are acceptable.....just like the rest of us....;)

Good health to you, Jimbo.

[gustavo]

Experts. Gosh you can't live with them but you can't live without them. Hmmmm Oh yes you can.

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I respect and truly take heed and certainly would not throw caution to the wind for those offering advice either be they experts or people like jimbo who study such issues in detail. But one must account for the fact that even with the best intentions such issues are open for further interpretations and conclusions.

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If you think about it, over the last 300 (or more) years the "expert" opinion is ultimately proven "bad medicine" by other experts 10-30 years later. But it is possible that Jimbo's expert will break that tradition.:a20:

[jimbo2012]

the scientific community doesn't all agree with you.


It will be a cold day in hell when the scientific community agrees in total.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

And do you know that?

R U taking any cholesterol meds?

What tests did you have done, care to share that?

No meds period for anything. You may not remember I laid out in past post the trial I have been taking part in for years that involve eating lots of meat and oils including starting off my day with grass fed butter and organic coconut oil in my first cup of coffee, no need to go over it again but certainly look at my past post on this subject if you are really all that interested. I get tested, scanned, poked and prodded multiple times a year and I'm clean and clear

[Cantwaittoarrive]

I forgot I also eat 4 or 5 eggs in a nice cheese omelet with onions every day for lunch which is the first meal of my day.

[jimbo2012]

Ok what tests?

MRI 256 slice
Cardioid duplex
Heart echo
Stress with dye

[jimbo2012]

I forgot I also eat 4 or 5 eggs in a nice cheese omelet with onions every day for lunch which is the first meal of my day.

Now we know you're playing with us.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Ok what tests?

MRI 256 slice
Cardioid duplex
Heart echo
Stress with dye

calcium coronary scores
carotid artery ultrasound
CT angiograph

and many many more

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Now we know you're playing with us.

Sure whatever you think

[Cantwaittoarrive]

My wife reminds me once every 2 years I also get cardiac catheterization as part of the study

[jimbo2012]

I think your playing, never heard of anyone eationg that bad with no meds in perfect health.
But if not, when you get a 256 slice and that's negative then you can say your clean.

[Villages PL]

pooh: Help me here. Based on your aforementioned comments what are your thoughts on a Harvard health Study done some years ago wherein medical people defined three types of people Excretors,Compensators and Storers of cholestrol. The first type passed cholestrol through the system. the second group balanced the amiubt of cholestrol taken with that which was produced by the body and eliminated the excess. The third group well their system just liked cholestrol so much it stored all it could get. This article made sense to me. It also occurred to me that something could upset this balance and compensators could become storers.

What I read from Dr. Dean Ornish is that people are born with different numbers of cholesterol receptors. Some people may only have a few while others have many. The more you have, the better able you will be to quickly dispose of excess cholesterol.

What it means for people at risk: Some people, with stubornly high cholesterol, will have to work harder at eating healthier. (Tough luck, life isn't fair.)

[rubicon]

I forgot I also eat 4 or 5 eggs in a nice cheese omelet with onions every day for lunch which is the first meal of my day.

You know cantwaittoarrive he most difficult daily decision for retiress is"what will I have for breakfast? Eggs are one of my favorite foods.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

I think your playing, never heard of anyone eationg that bad with no meds in perfect health.
But if not, when you get a 256 slice and that's negative then you can say your clean.

Sure I will let my doc running the study know some person on a internet forum says their wrong.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

You know cantwaittoarrive he most difficult daily decision for retiress is"what will I have for breakfast? Eggs are one of my favorite foods.

mine too!

[Cantwaittoarrive]

What I read from Dr. Dean Ornish is that people are born with different numbers of cholesterol receptors. Some people may only have a few while others have many. The more you have, the better able you will be to quickly dispose of excess cholesterol.

What it means for people at risk: Some people, with stubornly high cholesterol, will have to work harder at eating healthier. (Tough luck, life isn't fair.)

As I have always said people are different. What is good for one might kill someone else. This is why they use many subjects in a study and not just one. You're also right life isn't fair. I would never tell anyone they should follow what I do or eat. Everyone is different. This is also why people should work with their doctor to determine what is healthy for them.

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[dmorhome]

this artical is not true.




Rich Olive Oil, impairs endothelial function after eating. If you've been using olive oil because you think it's healthy, it's time to think again.

Here's Why You May Want to Think Twice About Olive Oil

From Dr. Dean Ornish: It's 100% fat and 14% of it is saturated. At 120 calories a tablespoon it's very easy to eat too much of "a bad thing". It won't raise your LDL as much as butter or other saturated fats will, so it might look like it's reducing your cholesterol, but it's still raising it. It's just not raising it as much other fats would! It's the omega-3's that reduce inflammation and are "heart healthy", and olive oil has very little omega-3, maybe 1%. It's mostly omega-9, which has been shown to impair blood vessel function.

From Dr. Robert Vogel of the University of Maryland: Back in 2000 Vogel based his study on the Lyon Heart Study, which is the big-time study that got us all to eat the Mediterranean Diet. He wanted to see how olive oil, salmon (fish oil) and canola oil actually affect the blood vessels. Using the brachial artery tourniquet test he had 10 healthy volunteers with normal cholesterol ingest 50 grams of fat, in the form of olive oil & bread, canola oil & bread, and salmon. Measuring their arterial blood flow before & after each meal Vogel could tell whether or not a meal was causing damage to the endothelial lining of the brachial artery, based on how the blood was flowing through the artery after the meal was eaten. The results really surprised him. The olive oil constricted blood flow by a whopping 31% after the meal; the canola oil constricted it by 10%; and the salmon reduced it by only 2%. Why should we care? Because when the arteries constrict, the endothelium (the vessel's lining) is injured, triggering plaque build-up, or atherosclerosis. Vogel RA. Corretti MC. Plotnick GD. The postprandial effect of components of the Mediterranean diet on endothelial function. Journal of the American College of Cardiology. 36(5):1455-60, 2000 Nov 1. Similar results have been found it later studies. This isn't just a one-hit wonder. Interestingly, walnuts, which have Omega-3's have also been shown to improve blood flow by 24% using the brachial artery tourniquet test. Go omega 3's!

How does olive oil constrict blood vessels?: Dr. Vogel discovered back in 1999 that a high fat meal blocks the endothelium's ability to produce that all important NITRIC OXIDE, which is a vasodilator and critical to preserving the tone & health of our blood vessels. When olive oil constricts the blood vessels it's because it's blocking the production of nitric oxide. Not a good thing!

From Dr. Caldwell Esseltsyn: Dr. E tells a story in his book about Rev. William Valentine of North Carolina who had a quintuple bypass in 1990. Since his surgery he followed a strict plant-based diet, dropping from 210 pounds to 156 pounds. For 14 years he maintained his weight & his diet. But by 2004 he started to experience a recurrence of angina, especially when he exercised. He promptly contacted Dr. Esselstyn after reading about his success in reversing heart disease in a health newsletter. Valentine wanted no part of a repeat bypass or other intervention. He assured Dr. E that he only ate whole grains, legumes, vegetable & fruit. A baffled Dr. E prompted him to repeat once again everything he was eating, leaving nothing out.

"He had forgotten to mention that he was consuming "heart healthy" olive oil at every lunch and dinner and in salads. It was what they call a Eureka moment. Immediately, I advised him to give up the olive oil. He did--and within seven weeks, his angina had completely disappeared." Dr. Esselstyn


Little known fact: Olive oil, which got its big "heart healthy" start with the Lyon Study, wasn't even used in the study. The study volunteers didn't like the taste of it, so canola oil was substituted for olive oil. All the benefit that we attributed to olive oil, was actually from Omega-3 enriched canola oil.


What does Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn advise?: When it comes to olive oil, canola or any oil--FORGET ABOUT IT.

He does advise taking a tablespoon of flaxseed every day for omega 3's.

We have been on an oil free diet almost three years, the results have been nothing short of amazing BP decreased no more need for those meds.

Plaque was reduced so significantly the tests were deemed incorrect and repeated.

Only to find they were in fact correct.

On salads for instance we have different types of balsamic vinegar rather than balsamic vinaigrette, the vinaigrette has oil.

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this artical is not true.

[jimbo2012]

Really, what's not true, please don't make broad statement like that, meaningless don't U think?

[senior citizen]

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[jimbo2012]

U could not have read or understood the books and dvd if you say that, It's not one doctor.

Maybe U don't know how cook creatively?

[senior citizen]

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[jimbo2012]

Who said it's good for everybody, U will not find that statement by me.

So your mother never took any meds?

Stop complaining about my posts, don't read them, you turn all my posts off so U never see them, there's an option for that.

There have been many people here that have switched, most like the differences they feel along with the automatic weight loss.

Some don't have the will power, but that why we have all the choices.

All the naysayers R really funny, the hate the plant based diet but they read and reply to all the related posts.......why? they know it's not wrong just a little harder at first.

Well all I can say to the naysayers continue what you're doing perhaps being over weight and pooping pills works for U, good but stop bitching about the diet.

Oh and you're very lucky there R building more old age nursing homes for U too!
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[senior citizen]

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[senior citizen]

My grandfather immigrated here from Italy as a young teenager. I'm betting that just about every meal he ate in his 97 year lifespan had something containing olive oil in it. I, also remember him loving locally-made Italian sausage and eggs for breakfast.
He was in the hospital once in his life before he died. It was for a hernia that he got at age 84 for lifting something too heavy.
He died at 97 from complications after breaking his hip while pulling weeds on the side of the hill in back of his house. He was active up until his death. I'm hoping I have his genes.

God Bless him. Sounds like my elders.....they worked harder than we ever had to, that's for sure.......never had the modern conveniences we all enjoy, ate their ethnic diet of choice and lived to ripe old ages.........obviously, the old bones age eventually.........as we all have to go from something.........I'll bet he lived a joyful life as he kept active till the end.

My Italian grandmother had all of her "marbles" until the end......but at age 95 (widowed for 50 years) she told her daughters "not to disturb her",
as a week before Easter in 1965, she took to her bed.........told her daughters she only wanted water on her night table......... we were told mid day on Good Friday that she had passed away........guess she knew it was "time".

Died in her own bed on her own terms.

She had climbed five flights of stairs, up and down, to attend mass at the corner church every day of her life in New York City........until age 90....so that was five years before she died.

She also danced the tarantella at weddings up to age 90 (after that she couldn't got to weddings due to the steps I guess)........

The aunts would find her sitting on the window sill washing the outside of the windows, five flights up.......she never would leave the tenements, although each of her children, and her brothers, begged her to come and live with them in their homes outside the city. One aunt stayed behind to care for her.........

She had come from Italy at a young age in the early 1890's. Died in 1965.

Anyway, my elderly grandmother never needed the gym !!! Five flights is a lot of exercise every day. All of her children lived to ripe old ages, with no cancer, ditto for her brothers...... My dad did pass before 70, but he was born one of a set of twin boys (the other twin died at birth, stillborn, while my dad was born with a heart defect). She had sixteen pregnancies , many sets of twins, with seven surviving children and also raised her two little brothers from Italy.........they were all totally devoted to my grandmother.

Again, a lady who managed to survive to age 95 with no surgeries and no pharmaceuticals.

As I recall, she had a wonderful sense of humor. When my husband and I got engaged at age 19, my dad and mom took us to visit her so that she could meet my fiance as she could not attend the engagement party.........she had just turned 95...........could no longer do the five flights of stairs........

Grandma took one look at this tall blondish Polish fellow and said , "Look at those beautiful GREEN eyes.....he is so handsome......too bad he's not Italian".............she always had a twinkle in her eyes and a sense of humor and could admire a young man.

My grandmother had blue eyes, which is unusual for an Italian from southern Italy.......only one of her daughters, my Godmother , also had the blue eyes.........all the rest had the dark brown eyes of their father.

Six months later she took to her bed and passed away......one month before our wedding in May 1965 when we were 20. She died in her own bed, on her own terms. Guess she just knew it was "time" ; she had mourned her deceased husband for 50 years. How many would do that nowadays?
Her daughters would try to get her to wear something other than black.
Once they convinced her to wear some white and black dresses but then her brother Stefano in Italy died......and she reverted back to the black.

I could write a book..........wonderful memories of a vibrant elder who ate all the old ethnic foods of Italy.........and some of Greece as one of her daughters married a Sicilian and much of their Italian couisine is blended with that of Greece........again, the Mediterranean diet.

There were no processed foods at all in my grandmother's lifetime............plus there wasn't a little pill for every ailment under the sun.........I'd say the last two facts also contributed to her old age....plus she had the joy of being surrounded daily by a huge family of relatives who would visit her..........they were all jolly as I recall.......and the men did smoke Italian cigars but still didn't get lung cancer. Go figure. They also drank the Italian "home made" wine, made by the uncles.

[senior citizen]

Wonderful stories. Our Italian relatives sound like they could have been cousins.
My Italian grandmother went into the hospital at age 92 and while there for congestive heart failure, was told that she had cancer. Her doctor wanted to start treatment for the cancer and my grandmother said "No! Take all of these tubes out of me and let me go home to die in my own bed in peace."
They made arrangements for her to go home the next day and less than 24 hours later, she passed peacefully in her sleep in her own bed on her own terms.

On her own terms indeed. Those old Italian grandmas were the heart of the home.

What town and province were your ancestors from? When I began my genealogy search about a dozen years ago, I had no idea I would end up with a family tree of 11,837 souls. Mine were from Laurenzana Potenza Basilicata Province in southern Italy. They all sailed out of the Port of Naples. From New York City they eventually ended up all over the United States and Canada.....and also Argentina, Cuba, Australia, etc. wherever there were openings for immigrants......when the quotas in N.Y.C. were filled.

Due to the huge families of children and the Italian naming tradition with each subsequent son naming their children after the grandparents and backward.......many eventually contacted ME and then when we shared whatever records we had, microfilms, birth, marriage and death records from Italy, etc........plus family stories, we made hundreds upon hundreds of cousin connections..........it is a small world after all. No pun intended.

[senior citizen]

They were from, and many still live in Perugia. Like your family, mine is also filled with blue-eyed Italians.

I know where Perugia is. I forgot to mention that besides my grandmother and my Godmother (her youngest daughter), her son Leonard also had the blue eyes.......which are rare. My dad always said her family came "from the north" but when I checked........in the 1800's they were in Laurenzana; earlier than that they were in the town of Potenza north of Laurenzana.
But in 1599 they were in Graz Austria........so that is indeed the NORTH.
When I checked our same surnames in the Trent Fondo area which is in northern Italy near the Austrian border......they didn't have the lineage going back as far as we all had found..........but they did have blue eyes and red hair.

My grandmother's husband's family had been in Laurenzana forever as were the families they married into........going back to the 12th century with the Greeks. Anyway, the little southern village......from whence all of mine came, all intermarried with their cousins.........they were all related in one way or another..........easy to check as Napoleon was a stickler for keeping good records.

[Villages PL]

I know where Perugia is. I forgot to mention that besides my grandmother and my Godmother (her youngest daughter), her son Leonard also had the blue eyes.......which are rare. My dad always said her family came "from the north" but when I checked........in the 1800's they were in Laurenzana; earlier than that they were in the town of Potenza north of Laurenzana.
But in 1599 they were in Graz Austria........so that is indeed the NORTH.
When I checked our same surnames in the Trent Fondo area which is in northern Italy near the Austrian border......they didn't have the lineage going back as far as we all had found..........but they did have blue eyes and red hair.

My grandmother's husband's family had been in Laurenzana forever as were the families they married into........going back to the 12th century with the Greeks. Anyway, the little southern village......from whence all of mine came, all intermarried with their cousins.........they were all related in one way or another..........easy to check as Napoleon was a stickler for keeping good records.

As long as we're on this subject, my maternal grandmother, who was born in Sicily, had blond hair and blue eyes. My mother was born with chestnut-brown hair and it gradually turned black. I was born with blondish hair that gradually turned black (but my under-arm hair is brown, ha!). The blond hair and blue eyes skipped a generation so I had some Italian cousins with blond hair and blue eyes.

[Shimpy]

Boy, has this post been hijacked. We went from plus or minus of consuming olive to whose grandmothers had blue eyes.

[kittygilchrist]

Mediterranean diet lowers risk of heart attack, stroke - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/25/health/time-mediterranean-diet/index.html)
Jimbo, I am not giving up my olive oil! :-D

[jimbo2012]

ok, don't, no one is twisting your arm, I'm only the messenger.

[SpicyCajunPugs]

Mediterranean diet lowers risk of heart attack, stroke - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/25/health/time-mediterranean-diet/index.html)
Jimbo, I am not giving up my olive oil! :-D

I agree with Kitty...I am not giving up my olive oil, eggs, or shrimp because it has good cholesterol and other great benefits....it has been scientifically proven, and it tastes so good. My up and down weight problems are from eating too much of everything, and not from olive oil which I consume even when I am on a drastic diet...it actually helps me lose weight when used in moderation.

[jimbo2012]

Oil has one of the highest fat (like 100% fat) content of anything you can ingest, there's is NO way in the world it can do anything but have you gain weight.

Can't agree with that at all, not my opinion, fact.

There are 119 calories in 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil.
Calorie breakdown: 100% fat, 0% carbs, 0% protein.

But surly extra virgin olive oil is better....

There are 119 calories in 1 tablespoon of Extra Virgin Olive Oil.
Calorie breakdown: 100% fat, 0% carbs, 0% protein.


Eat what you wish, your mileage may vary!

[jimbo2012]

Since I know both of you I ask that u please take 8 minutes to watch this video then tell me what you think

Check out the video below by Jeff Novick. about 8 min.

Olive Oil is NOT Health Food but Sick Food - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GfBKauKVi4M)

Ounce for ounce, olive oil is one of the most fattening, calorically dense foods on the planet. The bottom line is that oil will add fat to our already plump waistlines, heightening the risk of disease, including diabetes and heart attacks, says Dr. Joel Fuhrman.

Dr. Esselstyn agrees, stating that between 14 and 17% of olive oil is saturated, artery-clogging fat, every bit as aggressive in promoting heart disease as the saturated fat in roast beef.

[Golfingnut]

Since I know both of you I ask that u please take 8 minutes to watch this video then tell me what you think

Check out the video below by Jeff Novick. about 8 min.

Olive Oil is NOT Health Food but Sick Food - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GfBKauKVi4M)

Ounce for ounce, olive oil is one of the most fattening, calorically dense foods on the planet. The bottom line is that oil will add fat to our already plump waistlines, heightening the risk of disease, including diabetes and heart attacks, says Dr. Joel Fuhrman.

Dr. Esselstyn agrees, stating that between 14 and 17% of olive oil is saturated, artery-clogging fat, every bit as aggressive in promoting heart disease as the saturated fat in roast beef.

I say the Utube is incorrect and I have a many credentials as the Salesman presenting that video.

[jimbo2012]

I have a many credentials as the Salesman presenting that video.


Can U explain that comment?

[SpicyCajunPugs]

Since I know both of you I ask that u please take 8 minutes to watch this video then tell me what you think

Check out the video below by Jeff Novick. about 8 min.

Olive Oil is NOT Health Food but Sick Food - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GfBKauKVi4M)

Ounce for ounce, olive oil is one of the most fattening, calorically dense foods on the planet. The bottom line is that oil will add fat to our already plump waistlines, heightening the risk of disease, including diabetes and heart attacks, says Dr. Joel Fuhrman.

Dr. Esselstyn agrees, stating that between 14 and 17% of olive oil is saturated, artery-clogging fat, every bit as aggressive in promoting heart disease as the saturated fat in roast beef.

I respect your opinion Jimbo, but there as just as many (and even more) reports and proponents for the benefits of olive oil as there are for anti olive oil opinions. I trust the mainstream doctors and knowledge and the majority says we need some fat in the diet, and olive oil not only gives you the best needed fat for your needs, but actually PREVENTS heart attacks and strokes and helps your metabolism. I agree that there is a lot of debate, but everyone deserves their own opinion and as long as it is used in moderation, I believe its benefits outweight any negatives. I respect your disagreement, though

[Polar Bear]

Olive oil's bad. Olive oil's good. Sugar's bad. Sugar's good. Wine's bad. Wine's good. Coffee's bad. Coffee's good. Milk's bad. Milk's good. On-and-on, ad nauseum. If you like something but it's bad for you, just wait a while and it will likely be considered good for you. But enjoy it while you can, because it will almost certainly soon be bad for you again.

I'll just stick to my all-things-in-moderation health regimen.

[lightworker888]

Thought that this might be of interest to those interested in the cholesterol and heart disease connection.

NMR Lipoprofile May Help Determine Your Heart Disease Risk (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/04/28/nmr-lipoprofile.aspx?e_cid=20130428_PRSNL_Art_1&utm_source=prmrsnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130428)

Looks like some of the old ideas that have guided the medical community choices might now be in question.

As always, it is just some interesting information to consider when making decisions for yourself. As a side note I ordered some Red Palm Oil that Dr. Oz recommended. It is interesting to cook with and apparently has even more benefits than coconut oil which is the only oil I use for cooking. First pressed cold pressed extra virgin olive oil is best used for salads as it is best used unheated.

I too eat an egg a day and have never been on any Rx in my 70 years. I do use homeopathics and practice Tai Chi and other "alternative" practices and I've tried many different "diets" for health. Currently I am on the 8 hour eating plan, while eliminating grains (except rice on occasion) and sugars, take 1/2 tsp of "Real Salt" sea salt daily and about 8drops of 5% Lugol's solution iodine/iodide to support a low thyroid which is doing really quite well now. I haven't been this weight since before I had kids and any cravings have gone. I believe that this is due to the intermittent fasting that the 8 hour plan creates, as it is helps to reset insulin and leptin receptors.

I have a real concern about the vegetarian approach as the main source of protein is often soy and soybased products. Since most of the soy is GMO I could not choose to go there. Also I was following a plant based diet a number of years ago, and soy milk etc was very "in" and it was after that, that I really noticed a drop in the thyroid function and a few years later, I learned about the soy/thyroid connection and went back to a moderate meat diet. My energy level returned and I never went back to just plants. Perhaps it is my Asian chemistry, but I do better on some animal products in my diet.

Each person is chemically different so it really is important to listen to your body. It is always giving you feedback and talking to you. If you ignore it, it will find another way to get your attention. It's always better to listen to it before it sends you to bed sick to get you to rest and recoup!

LW888

[Golfingnut]

Can U explain that comment?

Yes, I can: I have no credentials at all just like the Pitch man in that silly video. Give me something from the Institute of Health and not a sales pitch from a U Tube Video.

[jimbo2012]

Yes, I can: I have no credentials at all just like the Pitch man in that silly video. Give me something from the Institute of Health and not a sales pitch from a U Tube Video.

Really, yep he's a jerk, let's look at who he is;

Welcome to the National Health Association (http://www.healthscience.org) VP

Jeffrey S. Novick, MS, RD, LD, LN

Jeff’s insightful and humorous approach to nutrition and health has helped thousands worldwide make the transition to healthy living. He holds both undergraduate and graduate degrees from Indiana State University in nutrition with minors in Exercise Science. :mad:

Jeff Novick, is truly a unique dietitian and nutritionist. With over 25 years of experience in nutrition, health, fitness and natural living, he offers expert health advice distilled into powerful, easy-to-understand language on a variety of current topics.

Jeff's insightful and humorous approach to nutrition and health has helped thousands worldwide make the transition to healthy living. He holds both undergraduate and graduate degrees from Indiana State University in nutrition with minors in Exercise Science.

Jeff serves as Vice President of Health Promotion for Executive Health Exams International and lectures at the McDougall Program in Santa Rosa, California and at the Engine 2 Immersion program in Austin, TX. He is also the Director of Nutrition for the Meals for Health community project which is helping empower low-income families to achieve optimal health.

For almost a decade, Jeff served as the Director of Nutrition at the Pritikin Center in Aventura, Florida, and as Vice President of the Board of the Directors for the National Health Association (NHA). He also served as the Director of Health Education for the NHA and as an Adjunct Professor in the School of Health Sciences for Kaplan University.

Jeff has also taught nutrition classes at Indiana State University, Indiana University Medical School, the University of Miami Medical School and for the Florida Academy of Family Physicians and lectures at medical conference around the country on a regular basis. While in Indiana, he created and taught the Nutrition Education Initiative, a preventive medicine curriculum for medical doctors, residents, and medical students. In recognition of this groundbreaking project, Indiana's governor awarded him the Indiana State Public Health Excellence in Health Science Award, and Indiana State University awarded him the Graduate-of-the-Last-Decade Award.

He has been interviewed by Newsday, Parade Magazine, Men's Health, Shape Magazine, Women's World and has appeared on Fox News, Discovery Health, the Today Show and other media nationwide. He recently appeared in the documentary Processed People and the movie Fatboy, which wont the best documentary award at the Fort Lauderdale and Queens Film Festivals.


You should ignore everything he says, he doesn't have a clue about the subject.:loco:



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[Golfingnut]

Really, yep he's a jerk, let's look at who he is;

Welcome to the National Health Association (http://www.healthscience.org) VP

Jeffrey S. Novick, MS, RD, LD, LN

Jeff’s insightful and humorous approach to nutrition and health has helped thousands worldwide make the transition to healthy living. He holds both undergraduate and graduate degrees from Indiana State University in nutrition with minors in Exercise Science. :mad:

Jeff Novick, is truly a unique dietitian and nutritionist. With over 25 years of experience in nutrition, health, fitness and natural living, he offers expert health advice distilled into powerful, easy-to-understand language on a variety of current topics.

Jeff's insightful and humorous approach to nutrition and health has helped thousands worldwide make the transition to healthy living. He holds both undergraduate and graduate degrees from Indiana State University in nutrition with minors in Exercise Science.

Jeff serves as Vice President of Health Promotion for Executive Health Exams International and lectures at the McDougall Program in Santa Rosa, California and at the Engine 2 Immersion program in Austin, TX. He is also the Director of Nutrition for the Meals for Health community project which is helping empower low-income families to achieve optimal health.

For almost a decade, Jeff served as the Director of Nutrition at the Pritikin Center in Aventura, Florida, and as Vice President of the Board of the Directors for the National Health Association (NHA). He also served as the Director of Health Education for the NHA and as an Adjunct Professor in the School of Health Sciences for Kaplan University.

Jeff has also taught nutrition classes at Indiana State University, Indiana University Medical School, the University of Miami Medical School and for the Florida Academy of Family Physicians and lectures at medical conference around the country on a regular basis. While in Indiana, he created and taught the Nutrition Education Initiative, a preventive medicine curriculum for medical doctors, residents, and medical students. In recognition of this groundbreaking project, Indiana's governor awarded him the Indiana State Public Health Excellence in Health Science Award, and Indiana State University awarded him the Graduate-of-the-Last-Decade Award.

He has been interviewed by Newsday, Parade Magazine, Men's Health, Shape Magazine, Women's World and has appeared on Fox News, Discovery Health, the Today Show and other media nationwide. He recently appeared in the documentary Processed People and the movie Fatboy, which wont the best documentary award at the Fort Lauderdale and Queens Film Festivals.


You should ignore everything he says, he doesn't have a clue about the subject.:loco:



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Sorry, but after reading all this, I am now convinced the guy is a old fashion pitch man ie. salesman. For more reference on this screwy outfit, see: Natural hygiene’s primary organization has been the National Health Association (NHA), which is headquartered in Tampa Florida. Shelton founded NHA as the American Natural Hygiene Society (ANHS), which assumed its present name in 1998

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Food for thought on other uses for olive oil, dating back to ancient times..........such as “The Annointing of the Sick”....

Even though I still have my mom’s big crucifix which has all the components for the “Last Rites” inside a compartment within....
A candle, the “sacred oil”, etc. etc....I never knew it was olive oil.....my husband who went to Catholic School did not know either.

I guess we just never gave it much thought..........until today.......

As I was reading another of Mary Higgins Clark’s latest “light” fiction, “Daddy’s Gone a Hunting”.....

I came across a reference to OLIVE OIL..........that I hadn’t thought of before...........

To quote from the book:

“Father Martin took out his folded stole from the case, kissed it, and placed it around his neck."

"Then he opened a small jar of sacred oil. “This is pure olive oil blessed by the bishop,” he told Hannah."

“Olive oil was specially chosen by the Church because of the healing and strengthening effects that are its characteristics in everyday life."

"Hannah watched as he dipped his finger in the olive oil and then made the sign of the Cross on Kate’s forehead and hands."

"Healing and strengthening, she thought as she listened to the words of the prayers Father Martin was offering over Kate."

"A sense of peace came over her .................."
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I researched the olive oil further..........

ANNOINTING OF THE SICK

The Council of Florence ( 1439 )

The fifth sacrament is extreme unction. Its matter is olive oil blessed by a priest.

This sacrament should not be given to the sick unless death is expected.

The person is to be annointed on the following places:
on the eyes for sight, on the ears for hearing,
on the nostrils for smell, on the mouth for taste or speech, on the hands for touch, on the feet for walking, on the loins, etc........

The minister of the sacrament is a priest. Is effect is to cure the mind, and, in so far as it helps the soul, also the body.

FIFTEENTH CENTURY

Use olive oil blessed by a priest

Only given to the sick if death is expected

Person is annointed on eyes, ears, nostrils, mouth, hands, feet and loins

The minister of the sacrament is a priest

Effect is to cure the mind, body and soul

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I then went on to read of the natural healing powers of olive oil for health reasons.............

Specifically, extra virgin olive oil.........for soothing sun burned skin, for ear aches, sore throats and coughs, common skin disorders, constipation.

Plus we all know the benefits of olive oil on our rich dark green romaine salads........plus, it's the only oil I cook with.

Modern science is just starting to understand the natural healing powers of olive oil. Ancient civilizations did not understand the
exact science behind the medicinal properties of olive oil but they understood the philosophy,

“ALL FOOD IS MEDICINE AND ALL MEDICINE IS FOOD”.

Thus, ancient civilizations, such as the Greeks and the Egyptians, prized olive oil not just based on its nutritional value but its medicinal value as well.

It’s a well know fact that those who lived around the Mediterranean and consumed olive oil on a daily basis had a propensity for longevity and less heart disease.