Sherwin Williams Paints no longer allowed to be used by contracters in the Villages??

[DGx2]

Does any one know the details about this?? Heard Sherwin Williams has initiated a law suit against the Villages about being "shut out".

[Bogie Shooter]

Now where did you hear that??

[MrMark]

Does any one know the details about this?? Heard Sherwin Williams has initiated a law suit against the Villages about being "shut out".

Kickback issue? Just asking!

[RichieLion]

I just had my home painted and Sherwin-Williams paint was used.

[shcisamax]

I didn't even know they used Sherwin Williams. So what paint are they using now?

[skyking]

I didn't even know they used Sherwin Williams. So what paint are they using now?

I went to the Sherwin Williams store to get some matching paint for my house which was completed last November and found out that the paint was from "Color Wheel" whoever that is.

[keithwand]

Color Wheel is awful. The builder used in on our hardy plank sided home in 2004 and we repainted with Sherwin Williams satin finish in 2011.
The paint had become chalky and dull.
Our house is in Baldwin Park, Orlando not TV. They used it to save $$$$.

[shcisamax]

What the heck is Color Wheel? Never heard of it.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

What the heck is Color Wheel? Never heard of it.

Color Wheel Paint (http://www.colorwheel.com/#/home)

Bill :)

[pooh]

Do you mean the contractors building new homes? My home was re-painted about a year and a half ago with Sherman Williams paint. It looks great.

I can't imagine that private painters re-painting individual homes would not be allowed to use that particular brand of paint.

[saratogaman]

ColorWheel is on Wedgewood, behind the Shell station, near Ace Hardware.

[dmorhome]

Either is color wheel low bid name of the game.

[ijusluvit]

Color Wheel might possibly be part of TV's huge network of companies. They have every color used in TV home construction. I've repainted my shutters and my pool deck with their paint. T&D Construction uses their paint on their pool decks. I am very satisfied with both jobs. Seems to me their paint is of high quality and it is less expensive than Sherwin-Williams, even when they have one of their 'big sales'.

[graciegirl]

I would have to guess this is another rumor. Some of the worst repeaters of inaccurate information are some of the folks who work on building houses.

They used Sherwin Williams on our new house.

The developers have great buying power, I would imagine when they need something they send a request for price and have pretty high criteria for the quality.They obviously use a lot of paint for both interior and exterior. Manufacturers would have to meet their standards and would bend over backwards to do so because they would be selling a huge amount of paint.

I would think that they get a lot of bang for their buck without any need for kickback.

And just an aside from someone who is an avid watcher of HGTV, Flat paint is now "in" in the fashion sense and you don't see anything in new homes with a glossy or semi glossy finish.

[kentucky blue]

I would have to guess this is another rumor. Some of the worst repeaters of inaccurate information are some of the folks who work on building houses.

They used Sherwin Williams on our new house.

The developers have great buying power, I would imagine when they need something they send a request for price and have pretty high criteria for the quality.They obviously use a lot of paint for both interior and exterior. Manufacturers would have to meet their standards and would bend over backwards to do so because they would be selling a huge amount of paint.

I would think that they get a lot of bang for their buck without any need for kickback.

And just an aside from someone who is an avid watcher of HGTV, Flat paint is now "in" in the fashion sense and you don't see anything in new homes with a glossy or semi glossy finish.

Sherwin Williams is a quality paint that i use on all my rental properties,i also use their vinyl and carpet division on all my rentals.The paint is not cheap,but it's top of the line.I have a question, when should you paint a stucco home in TV?Our home is 6 years old and still looks like new.Flat paint has become the "in" paint because of it's durability and it does not show up the flaws that appear with the glossier paints.There are sooooooooooooo many false rumors floating around TV,sometimes i think i'm reading The National Enquirer.:read:

[Canabarrybarb]

My 2008 house was originally painted with Color Wheel paints and sample tins left for touch-up. When I went to Color Wheel last week to get more, they used a Sherwin Williams code on the tin to create my refill tin. So at least they were using SW color codes to mix their colors.

They did say that a certain yellow pigment is no longer available and certain colors from a few years ago will no longer be available in exact matches which should not be a problem for full wall repaints.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Color Wheel might possibly be part of TV's huge network of companies. ...........

I seriously doubt it. Refer to link in post #9.

Bill :)

[hedoman]

What the heck is Color Wheel? Never heard of it.

they are over in Southern Trace

[villages07]

Sherwin Williams is a quality paint that i use on all my rental properties,i also use their vinyl and carpet division on all my rentals.The paint is not cheap,but it's top of the line.I have a question, when should you paint a stucco home in TV?Our home is 6 years old and still looks like new.Flat paint has become the "in" paint because of it's durability and it does not show up the flaws that appear with the glossier paints.There are sooooooooooooo many false rumors floating around TV,sometimes i think i'm reading The National Enquirer.:read:


Our house is also about 6 years old...back then, they seemed to use Color Wheel most everywhere. We've had painters since then complain that it is not a high quality paint. We used SW for interior painting. On a recent visit to the SW store, I was surprised to learn that TV was using SW on some new builds.

For our stucco exterior, the finish is still in good shape...some neighbors have already repainted, but mostly to change the color. We recently had our trim bands repainted a darker color for more contrast ... They had faded to almost the same as the primary color. The painter, Steve's Onsite Services, used SW paint. This facelift will probably buy us another 3+ years before we paint the rest of the house.

[JohnN]

I was at the Sherwin Wiliams paint store a couple weeks back.
The guy there told me that TV was cutting down from 3 contractors to one - Colorwheel.

He also said there are about 50 shades of "Villages white" floating around, so be careful.

[shcisamax]

I asked my builder who is in the process of painting the hosue what is the manufacturer and he said it is SunColor...which he said is being used exclusively by TV as of 4/26.

[graciegirl]

Now we know. Please let us know in a couple of years how it is doing.

[shcisamax]

Yes, if you see me out there on a ladder with brush in hand, you will know :) Anyone heard of them? I have to think, TV isn't going to use a paint that breaks down in a couple years. They want their product to be above standard..not below. This is not a small item like swapping out baseboard or blinds. Like always, they would do their research.

[thekiddipc]

The villages uses Color Wheel when homes are first built cause it is inexpensive low quality paint. Exterior paint by color wheel will only last 3 to 4 years. Interior of new homes only have paint on trim(doors,frames ,and baseboards). All walls are just painted with primer. A good contractor( like us "Investment Painting") uses good quality Sherwin Williams paint. We advertise on TOTV. You can see our references under contractors and services section.

[Autoshow]

Does any one know the details about this?? Heard Sherwin Williams has initiated a law suit against the Villages about being "shut out".

Sounds like another rumor,not important at all.

[renrod]

The villages uses Color Wheel when homes are first built cause it is inexpensive low quality paint. Exterior paint by color wheel will only last 3 to 4 years. Interior of new homes only have paint on trim(doors,frames ,and baseboards). All walls are just painted with primer. A good contractor( like us "Investment Painting") uses good quality Sherwin Williams paint. We advertise on TOTV. You can see our references under contractors and services section.
The above statements are not only biased, but NOT TRUE. Color Wheel is very good paint, not that Sherwin Williams is not, but to bash Color Wheel is not fair. We used Color Wheel to paint the inside and it is very good quality and covers very good. To say that the Villages only "primers" inside walls should tell you something. Color Wheel has a lady that will come to your house by appointment, with the color samples and help you pick the colors in your house with the light "in your house" and your furnishing. Her name is GLORIA and she is VERY GOOD. Anyone who has tried to pick colors in the store can testify how difficult and different it is to coordinate. We were told the trim paint was Sherwin Williams so we went to the store on 301 for some help. The person we talked to was NOT much help.

A good contractor( like us "Investment Painting"), you shouldn't have to toot your own horn, with all the people on this forum, let them speak for you.

[ilovetv]

Good grief. For the interior, who's going to stay with the "contractor white" used in a spec home and not have the place painted with paint of their own choosing?

There are many brands even better than Sherwin Williams according to professional painters we have hired over the years up north, and here. Benjamin Moore is one that pleases pro painters, as well as Behr and Valspar (Lowes carries that, I think).

[graciegirl]

The villages uses Color Wheel when homes are first built cause it is inexpensive low quality paint. Exterior paint by color wheel will only last 3 to 4 years. Interior of new homes only have paint on trim(doors,frames ,and baseboards). All walls are just painted with primer. A good contractor( like us "Investment Painting") uses good quality Sherwin Williams paint. We advertise on TOTV. You can see our references under contractors and services section.

Gosh. This kind of reverse selling doesn't work very well with me.

I say that any paint in the intense sun, high humidity and need for frequent power washing is gonna only look real good for around 3-4 years here.

My walls are not painted with just primer. We were there every day and I saw them put at least two coats of paint on.

The design team sent me Sherman Williams chips to choose from when the outside of our home had to be changed so it wouldn't be identical to one next door.

I think that as they learn they make even better choices as time goes on...the builders.

[batman911]

Most new tract homes are spray painted inside and out. The paint is usually thinned down to allow easy application. Also, the first coat is absorbed more by the raw unpainted siding and frame material. I had to repaint my current new home (not in TV) after 3 years. I used the same paint and color the developer used. I painted the house myself using brush and rollers. This coat lasted about 7 years. I repainted again using the same paint and method and this third coating has lasted well over 10 years. First coats of paint that are sprayed will never last as long as second/third coats that are brushed and rolled. Also, paint colors are identified by 5 digit Federal Standard Color Codes. If you get the color code, you can go to any manufacturer or sales outlet and get the same color paint (within reason). I usually mix all my paint together before I start painting to achieve color consistency throughout the entire batch.

[chuckinca]

Just checked my stash of old paint cans in the garage. The original paint used in 2004 was Sherwin Williams. The cans state it has a 15 year warranty. The guy who recently power washed the house said that it looked like it needed to be painted in about a year (of course, he also paints houses).

We had the interior repainted 3 years ago because we didn't like the colors and the contractor, Choices in Color Carolyn Campbell's husband, used Behr Paints.


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[Investment Painting Contractors]

Lets start with a short Bio. I am the founder and previous owner of Investment Painting Contractors. The company was started in 1966 by me to help pay for college. Along the way I served my apprenticeship and became a journeyman painter. I am qualified to apply every kind of coating from Latex to Chemical Coatings.
I have painted in all the lower 48 states and Puerto Rico, and had large contracts of over one million dollars each. I have painted bridges,water towers,sewage treatment plants,shopping malls, over 500 Walgreens,1000 Taco bells and 500,000 thousand feet of various offices airplane hangers and warehouse space for Northwest Mutual Ins.
I started painting new houses in Detroit and after a brief break for Vietnam I went into commercial for over 25 years. Crisscrossing the United states for every Major corp. in the country.

Getting tired and older I went into residential repaints and commercial work in the state of Wisconsin. Where I won eight Angies List Super Service
Awards From 2001 to 2006.

When I decided to retire Chris Gibbs who had been with me since he was a kid took over the business and moved it to Florida in 2007.

After my not so brief BIO Lets talk about the preceeding posts.

The painters are sub contractors on the new houses in the Villages. The bids are competive based on the lowest labor and material cost, except some premier homes where there is more latitude.

The interior walls are sprayed and back rolled with paint and primer. Usually the same color thru-out to make it easier for the buyer to apply their color coats to match their furniture, taste ETC.

The Villages does not purchase the paint not even to paint the signs at each village mail boxes ETC.


As far as SUNCOLOR paint it is a new wholesale paint supplier that applied and got a business license in Orlando March 2012.

I just thought I would pre Qualify Myself before I added my two cents

Len & Mary Boczkowski
Investment Painting Contractors
Retired to the Villages

[mickey100]

Investment - thanks for your informative post. Nice to have someone on here with real experience. Quick question - are you familiar with Color Wheel paints? It was used in The Villages for the last 4 or 5 years. I looked at Consumer Guide for exterior paint recommendations, and Sherwin Williams was one of the paints listed, but didn't see anything on Color Wheel.

[NotGolfer]

Not sure...but have to wonder if "Color Wheel" isn't the name of their business! If you ever drive behind their location, sometimes the doors are open and LOTS of paint cans are sitting inside on the floor and to me they look like varying "kinds" of paint. Have never actually checked them out however.

[JLHart]

Most new tract homes are spray painted inside and out. The paint is usually thinned down to allow easy application. Also, the first coat is absorbed more by the raw unpainted siding and frame material. I had to repaint my current new home (not in TV) after 3 years. I used the same paint and color the developer used. I painted the house myself using brush and rollers. This coat lasted about 7 years. I repainted again using the same paint and method and this third coating has lasted well over 10 years. First coats of paint that are sprayed will never last as long as second/third coats that are brushed and rolled. Also, paint colors are identified by 5 digit Federal Standard Color Codes. If you get the color code, you can go to any manufacturer or sales outlet and get the same color paint (within reason). I usually mix all my paint together before I start painting to achieve color consistency throughout the entire batch.

FINALLY ... a voice of reason!!

[PandG]

Interesting thread...

Does anyone know if TV's painting subcontractors offer low-odor and low-VOC paints as an option? We've just painted our soon-to-be-on-the-market house with Sherwin-Williams Harmony paint and it worked quite nicely. We'd like to have the same done in our future TV home.

Thanks!

[joanofarctv]

They used Anchor Coatings Paint on my home....it's made locally in Leesburg. The contractor recomended it highly! I was happy with the results.

[jagdl]

Have not heard of this. Our house is only 6 months old and all paint used was Sherwin Williams.