Dogs in shopping carts

[Boe39]

Went into Lady Lake store yesterday, and for the 3rd time I saw a lady with a dog in a cart(not a PTSD dog). I finally said something to 3 employees who said they were just as upset about it but their hands were tied by there managers. They were told they didn't want to upset there customers? What about those of us that don't want to put food in a cart where a dog's bare but, and genitals were just laying on. Also my wife is afraid, and allergic to dogs. We will no longer shop in Sam's Club or any food store that allows this policy. I do own a non-allergenic cat(Bengal), maybe I will start bringing him shopping at these stores.

[Stu from NYC]

Yesterday at BJ's there was a small dog riding in a shopping cart barking on a regular basis. No idea if this one was a service animal but it appears that it has become much too easy for fido to go wherever his owner wants him to go.

Perhaps I should get a horse and decide he is a service one who helps me control my emotions:bigbow:.

[MsPCGenius]

I am a dog person having owned many through the years. I prefer medium (~40 lb) size dogs.

I don't understand the need for people to take their (large & small) dogs with them no matter where the destination -- hardware store, grocery store, evening activities. Where does this need to bring your pet along come from? Fluffy & Brutus may be your loving companion, but an animal is an animal and they are unpredictable. Barking, biting and fighting is inevitable. Not a risk I was willing to take on.

Just wondering... I always felt my pets were happier at home.

[LuvNH]

I totally agree with this post. It is absolutely ridiculous that people cannot go out of the house without their animal. The worst I have seen was in Lowes some years ago, waiting at the cash register the woman in front of me had a small dog in the basket of the cart, it peed, splashed on the cement floor and I was unlucky enough to getr some of that pee on my legs. She did not even acknowledge that her dog had peed.

[golfing eagles]

I totally agree with this post. It is absolutely ridiculous that people cannot go out of the house without their animal. The worst I have seen was in Lowes some years ago, waiting at the cash register the woman in front of me had a small dog in the basket of the cart, it peed, splashed on the cement floor and I was unlucky enough to getr some of that pee on my legs. She did not even acknowledge that her dog had peed.

The dog is just a dog---it's the owners that are emotionally crippled.

[NotGolfer]

True service dogs have to go through special training (it's also expensive)! "IF/when" they pass it people will be able to observe them in that they respond to their human's prompts. IF in a restaurant they will lie under the table, out of the way. IF walking with a leash, they will "heel" with their human. The rest of us should not pet them unless given permission. Too many people have selfishly (yes it's selfish) pushed the limits to bringing their family pet everywhere. I've seen them in medical clinics too----which is deplorable (pets NOT service animals). I love animals but that's what they are----NOT our "kids"!!!

[Stu from NYC]

True service dogs have to go through special training (it's also expensive)! "IF/when" they pass it people will be able to observe them in that they respond to their human's prompts. IF in a restaurant they will lie under the table, out of the way. IF walking with a leash, they will "heel" with their human. The rest of us should not pet them unless given permission. Too many people have selfishly (yes it's selfish) pushed the limits to bringing their family pet everywhere. I've seen them in medical clinics too----which is deplorable (pets NOT service animals). I love animals but that's what they are----NOT our "kids"!!!

Even worse are people that walk around pushing their dogs in a stroller. How happy can the poor dog be not be able to get out and sniff its surroundings

[asianthree]

While at Marshals on Saturday, lady with a mid size terrier sitting in shopping cart, took a bowl off the shelf,, poured water in it. Let her dog drink from the bowl, then put the bowl back on the shelf.

Management watch her as did 4 customers. She was asked to leave, and given the bowl since it was no longer a sellable item. Her comments on the way out…

I will never shop here again… my dog is cleaner than any of you. Management was thanked by multiple customers for doing the right thing. I have noticed some businesses are posting a sign no animals allowed, unless it’s a service dog. Wonder how that’s working.

[retiredguy123]

While at Marshals on Saturday, lady with a mid size terrier sitting in shopping cart, took a bowl off the shelf,, poured water in it. Let her dog drink from the bowl, then put the bowl back on the shelf.

Management watch her as did 4 customers. She was asked to leave, and given the bowl since it was no longer a sellable item. Her comments on the way out…

I will never shop here again… my dog is cleaner than any of you. Management was thanked by multiple customers for doing the right thing. I have noticed some businesses are posting a sign no animals allowed, unless it’s a service dog. Wonder how that’s working.
It doesn't work at Walmart. They have a "no pets" sign, but they don't enforce it. Enforcement is the key. Although, if the dog owner says it is a service dog, there is not much the store can do because of the Federal disability law.

[MsPCGenius]

While at Marshals on Saturday, lady with a mid size terrier sitting in shopping cart, took a bowl off the shelf,, poured water in it. Let her dog drink from the bowl, then put the bowl back on the shelf.

Nothing surprises me anymore -- actually made me laugh out loud. Pathetic behavior.

[Michael G.]

Nothing surprises me anymore -- actually made me laugh out loud. Pathetic behavior.

Wife and I were at Lowe's and a young man had his puppy in the shopping cart in front of us.
He was checking out as his puppy left a pee trail between us and the door. :mad:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

People who lack respect for the rules enough to bring a pet into a store that has a sign that says "no pets" - will lack respect for a manager who tries to enforce the rules. They'll make a fuss, they'll distract the other customers, they'll make the entire place feel uncomfortable to the employees and customers, they'll waste the manager's time, they'll escalate and make demands, they might end up with the police and more yelling and disruption of business, and it'll ultimately cost the store money. And for what? To prove to a pet-owner that the pet-owner is a piece of crap whose dog has more humanity than they do?

Most managers aren't willing to die on that particular hill. They have a business to run. So as long as the dog isn't "doing" anything disruptive, they won't do or say anything to the pet owner. Especially if the senior corporate management has decreed that the local store manager is not -permitted- to do anything more than give the pet-owner the hairy eyeball and keep quiet.

I will say a huzzah for Ay Jalisco. I ate there early last week, outside. Lady with a small dog on a retractable leash asked if she could get a table outside on the patio. The waitress told her to hold on a moment, went inside, and came back out again. Told the lady sorry - no dogs allowed. The lady claimed it was a "therapy" dog. The waitress held firm. She followed the law and the spirit of the law: "therapy" dogs are not "service animals." And "service animals" are the ONLY animals protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act. Proprietors have the right to impose specific rules: "four on the floor," no leash longer than 6 feet, non-retractable, and the dog MUST be heeled when it's not walking. The only rule this lady was obeying was that the dog had all four feet on the ground. It wasn't heeling, she had a retractable leash pulled out to nearly 10 feet.

In addition - a manager/employee has very strict rules about what they can and cannot ask: they can ask "is this a service animal?" If the owner says yes, they can ask "what service is this dog trained to provide?" And the owner has to answer that question.

That's it. They can't ask "what service does this dog provide "FOR YOU?". Only what it's trained to do, in general.

However, the lady volunteered the information that it was a "therapy" dog - which means it's not a service animal. So the waitress then had that opportunity to tell the lady nope - can't come in, can't eat on our patio.

I gave the waitress a bit of an extra tip and told her I was SO glad she stuck to her guns.

[BrianL99]

Wife and I were at Lowe's and a young man had his puppy in the shopping cart in front of us.
He was checking out as his puppy left a pee trail between us and the door. :mad:

Lowe's & Home Depot are specifically "Dog Friendly'. It says so at the doors. If you go to either of those stores, expect to see dogs. Their business, their right to make the rules.

[Stu from NYC]

While at Marshals on Saturday, lady with a mid size terrier sitting in shopping cart, took a bowl off the shelf,, poured water in it. Let her dog drink from the bowl, then put the bowl back on the shelf.

Management watch her as did 4 customers. She was asked to leave, and given the bowl since it was no longer a sellable item. Her comments on the way out…

I will never shop here again… my dog is cleaner than any of you. Management was thanked by multiple customers for doing the right thing. I have noticed some businesses are posting a sign no animals allowed, unless it’s a service dog. Wonder how that’s working.

They should have called police must have been some law she broke.

[Papa_lecki]

They should have called police must have been some law she broke.

Not sure the police will arrest some old lady bringing a dog into A store.

[fdpaq0580]

I totally agree with this post. It is absolutely ridiculous that people cannot go out of the house without their animal. The worst I have seen was in Lowes some years ago, waiting at the cash register the woman in front of me had a small dog in the basket of the cart, it peed, splashed on the cement floor and I was unlucky enough to getr some of that pee on my legs. She did not even acknowledge that her dog had peed.

I hope you screamed at the top of your lungs and made her the focus of a very ugly and embarrassing scene. She was totally responsible for you being soiled by her dog.

[fdpaq0580]

The dog is just a dog---it's the owners that are emotionally crippled.

Sad, but very true!

[ThirdOfFive]

People who lack respect for the rules enough to bring a pet into a store that has a sign that says "no pets" - will lack respect for a manager who tries to enforce the rules. They'll make a fuss, they'll distract the other customers, they'll make the entire place feel uncomfortable to the employees and customers, they'll waste the manager's time, they'll escalate and make demands, they might end up with the police and more yelling and disruption of business, and it'll ultimately cost the store money. And for what? To prove to a pet-owner that the pet-owner is a piece of crap whose dog has more humanity than they do?

Most managers aren't willing to die on that particular hill. They have a business to run. So as long as the dog isn't "doing" anything disruptive, they won't do or say anything to the pet owner. Especially if the senior corporate management has decreed that the local store manager is not -permitted- to do anything more than give the pet-owner the hairy eyeball and keep quiet.

I will say a huzzah for Ay Jalisco. I ate there early last week, outside. Lady with a small dog on a retractable leash asked if she could get a table outside on the patio. The waitress told her to hold on a moment, went inside, and came back out again. Told the lady sorry - no dogs allowed. The lady claimed it was a "therapy" dog. The waitress held firm. She followed the law and the spirit of the law: "therapy" dogs are not "service animals." And "service animals" are the ONLY animals protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act. Proprietors have the right to impose specific rules: "four on the floor," no leash longer than 6 feet, non-retractable, and the dog MUST be heeled when it's not walking. The only rule this lady was obeying was that the dog had all four feet on the ground. It wasn't heeling, she had a retractable leash pulled out to nearly 10 feet.

In addition - a manager/employee has very strict rules about what they can and cannot ask: they can ask "is this a service animal?" If the owner says yes, they can ask "what service is this dog trained to provide?" And the owner has to answer that question.

That's it. They can't ask "what service does this dog provide "FOR YOU?". Only what it's trained to do, in general.

However, the lady volunteered the information that it was a "therapy" dog - which means it's not a service animal. So the waitress then had that opportunity to tell the lady nope - can't come in, can't eat on our patio.

I gave the waitress a bit of an extra tip and told her I was SO glad she stuck to her guns.
Can't understand the fuss. Whenever I bring Spike (my emotional support monitor lizard) into Wal-Mart, people seem to give us a LOT of room as we shop.

[fdpaq0580]

Even worse are people that walk around pushing their dogs in a stroller. How happy can the poor dog be not be able to get out and sniff its surroundings

The dog could be old, ill, injured and unable to walk very well, or at all. At least the poor animal gets some fresh air and a change of scenery and smell.

[fdpaq0580]

While at Marshals on Saturday, lady with a mid size terrier sitting in shopping cart, took a bowl off the shelf,, poured water in it. Let her dog drink from the bowl, then put the bowl back on the shelf.

Management watch her as did 4 customers. She was asked to leave, and given the bowl since it was no longer a sellable item. Her comments on the way out…

I will never shop here again… my dog is cleaner than any of you. Management was thanked by multiple customers for doing the right thing. I have noticed some businesses are posting a sign no animals allowed, unless it’s a service dog. Wonder how that’s working.

She should NOT have been given the bowl! She made the bowl unsellable for them the same as if she broke it. She should have been made to pay for it since she had used it. If she pays, give her the bowl. If she refuses to pay, ban her from the store, and don't reward her with the bowl. She might think she is onto a great new scam and try it again.

[fdpaq0580]

Can't understand the fuss. Whenever I bring Spike (my emotional support monitor lizard) into Wal-Mart, people seem to give us a LOT of room as we shop.

And just what has Spike been trained to monitor?
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[golfing eagles]

And just what has Spike been trained to monitor?
😏

Ocean acidity 😂😂😂

[PugMom]

And just what has Spike been trained to monitor?
😏

rodents hiding on the shelves! 🤣🤣

[Babubhat]

Heath violation. Take pictures. Report to town and State . They will Take action

[retiredguy123]

Heath violation. Take pictures. Report to town and State . They will Take action
Sounds good, but I think that any action they take would be totally inadequate, based on just one photo, without a pattern of violations. The store would just say that they didn't see it happen.

[Garywt]

Every time we go out we have to make the decision to bring the dog or not. What are we doing when out, can we bring the dog. If going out includes a store, do we both need to go in or can one of us stay with the dog. Are we getting something to eat? If we are both going into the store or getting something to eat then the dogs stay home. They have no business being in a store or restaurant even if eating outside. I hate being places where people feel their dogs are more important than anything. As for dogs being cleaner, I am sorry but after licking their primates, there is no way they are licking me.

[retiredguy123]

Every time we go out we have to make the decision to bring the dog or not. What are we doing when out, can we bring the dog. If going out includes a store, do we both need to go in or can one of us stay with the dog. Are we getting something to eat? If we are both going into the store or getting something to eat then the dogs stay home. They have no business being in a store or restaurant even if eating outside. I hate being places where people feel their dogs are more important than anything. As for dogs being cleaner, I am sorry but after licking their primates, there is no way they are licking me.
A guy walks into a bar and there is a dog behind the bar licking his privates.

The guy says to the bartender, "I wish I could do that".

The bartender says "go ahead, he won't mind".

[fdpaq0580]

Ocean acidity 😂😂😂

WOW! Spike has a PhD in ocean sciences? Great cross thread response. 😄

[fdpaq0580]

Every time we go out we have to make the decision to bring the dog or not. What are we doing when out, can we bring the dog. If going out includes a store, do we both need to go in or can one of us stay with the dog. Are we getting something to eat? If we are both going into the store or getting something to eat then the dogs stay home. They have no business being in a store or restaurant even if eating outside. I hate being places where people feel their dogs are more important than anything. As for dogs being cleaner, I am sorry but after licking their primates, there is no way they are licking me.

Licking their "primates"? You mean their owners, or did auto insert fail again? Either way, dog tongues are nasty.
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[fdpaq0580]

rodents hiding on the shelves! 🤣🤣

What about thr rodents pushing the carts with dogs in them?

[Michael G.]

A guy walks into a bar and there is a dog behind the bar licking his privates.

The guy says to the bartender, "I wish I could do that".

The bartender says "go ahead, he won't mind".

Good One :thumbup:

[prendymom]

Saturday night mass a lady brought a small dog in a dog carrier into church. She sat down in a chair & the dog didn't make a peep. Obviously not a service dog. Seriously.

[westernrider75]

Even worse are people that walk around pushing their dogs in a stroller. How happy can the poor dog be not be able to get out and sniff its surroundings

We have a stroller for our dog. He is now 14 years old and while he still wants to get outside and go for walks, his legs don’t last long and then he is sore the next day. The stroller allows him to still get outside and see things.

[Catalina36]

Went into Lady Lake store yesterday, and for the 3rd time I saw a lady with a dog in a cart(not a PTSD dog). I finally said something to 3 employees who said they were just as upset about it but their hands were tied by there managers. They were told they didn't want to upset there customers? What about those of us that don't want to put food in a cart where a dog's bare but, and genitals were just laying on. Also my wife is afraid, and allergic to dogs. We will no longer shop in Sam's Club or any food store that allows this policy. I do own a non-allergenic cat(Bengal), maybe I will start bringing him shopping at these stores.

For the people who take their dog shopping at The Grocery Store or for that matter any Store???????? LEAVE YOUR DOG HOME!!!!!!!!! Most dogs I see in the stores are not a SERVICE DOG. IF you can see you don't need your DOG to go shopping with you. I know, next time you go for a Doctors visit take your Dog with you. Maybe Dr. Shrink can figure YOU out.

[Hpy2BHere]

[QUOTE=Stu from NYC;2150109]Even worse are people that walk around pushing their dogs in a stroller. How happy can the poor dog be not be able to get out and sniff its surroundings[/QUOTE
There are many reasons to use a stroller, I use mine because I have small dogs with little legs and they can't walk long without overheating. It keeps them off the neighbors lawns, from getting fleas, and from getting hurt in crowds. They love viewing the world at a higher level. They beg to get in the stroller, even when I'm trying to get them some exercise. It is especially good for my senior dog who has difficulty with movement. However I'm agreement with previous post my dogs don't come shopping with me they don't come to lunch with me they don't go in stores with me . The stroller is a matter of convenience and safety for me and my dogs outdoor activity.

[bowlingal]

their

[me4vt]

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[me4vt]

Your choice!

[me4vt]

Pets are above most peoples Kids ;)

[Maybelle]

Even worse are people that walk around pushing their dogs in a stroller. How happy can the poor dog be not be able to get out and sniff its surroundings
Some puppers are old and arthritic. The stroller is a means to let the dog get a little enjoyment from the outdoors without making him walk painfully.

[wsachs]

Real service dogs DO NOT ride in carts

[midiwiz]

Not sure the police will arrest some old lady bringing a dog into A store.

the use of the bowl not the dog.....

[La lamy]

It personally doesn't bother me to see dogs in establishments or carts. Yes the bare butt on cart may not be the most hygienic but I don't put groceries in that top area and have acquired a great hand washing routine since Covid that probably prevents me from getting any residual butt remnants into me. Dogs always make me smile, but if you're allergic, I can see how that would be more of an issue.

[Joe Sacco]

A lady walked into my dentist office about 3 months back. I asked the receptionist if the health department allowed that she said she was told it was a service dog. It weighed about 2 lbs., maybe it could pull its owners socks off.

[golfing eagles]

It personally doesn't bother me to see dogs in establishments or carts. Yes the bare butt on cart may not be the most hygienic but I don't put groceries in that top area and have acquired a great hand washing routine since Covid that probably prevents me from getting any residual butt remnants into me. Dogs always make me smile, but if you're allergic, I can see how that would be more of an issue.

Meanwhile, other people do use that top area and put unwrapped produce there. And hand washing is an excellent suggestion, but not because of COVID, which is not transmitted in that fashion.

[dlspiess]

Service dogs must have certification letters and should be able to present them upon request

[golfing eagles]

A lady walked into my dentist office about 3 months back. I asked the receptionist if the health department allowed that she said she was told it was a service dog. It weighed about 2 lbs., maybe it could pull its owners socks off.

Doubt it.

[retiredguy123]

Service dogs must have certification letters and should be able to present them upon request
Not true. The Federal disability law does not require any certification letter, or any documentation at all for service dogs.

[Caymus]

I always wonder if this activity is a sign of mental illness/early dementia. I have not observed dogs in carts in other areas.

[ThirdOfFive]

I always wonder if this activity is a sign of mental illness/early dementia. I have not observed dogs in carts in other areas.
Just because a dog likes to ride in a service cart means it has dementia?

C'mon!

[Duppman]

The dog is just a dog---it's the owners that are emotionally crippled.
Went to Sawgrass Thursday evening and there were multiple dogs looking miserable. I'm a dog lover but will never understand the reasoning behind bringing your pet everywhere you go.

[Caymus]

Just because a dog likes to ride in a service cart means it has dementia?

C'mon!

The dog's owners (maybe I should write the dog's parents)

[Debbraham]

Just like applying for a handicap sign for your car, people with service animals should have to have a doctors order and then apply thru the state for a card that would be required to be displayed or shown at stores in order to admit the dog. You can buy a service jacket for a dog online without any documentation. Means nothing!

It doesn't work at Walmart. They have a "no pets" sign, but they don't enforce it. Enforcement is the key. Although, if the dog owner says it is a service dog, there is not much the store can do because of the Federal disability law.

[retiredguy123]

Just like applying for a handicap sign for your car, people with service animals should have to have a doctors order and then apply thru the state for a card that would be required to be displayed or shown at stores in order to admit the dog. You can buy a service jacket for a dog online without any documentation. Means nothing!
The handicap signs are required and controlled by the state under state law.

The problem with service dogs is that the state cannot require anything that would supercede a Federal law. The Federal disability law specifically provides that the owner of a service dog does not need any documentation for the dog. So, no state could enact the requirement you suggest.

[Bcheval]

Heath violation. Take pictures. Report to town and State . They will Take action
Hey, I think you're on to something! Instead of bad parking pictures let's see bad pet owner pictures. Could be amusing.

[Love2Swim]

Went into Lady Lake store yesterday, and for the 3rd time I saw a lady with a dog in a cart(not a PTSD dog). I finally said something to 3 employees who said they were just as upset about it but their hands were tied by there managers. They were told they didn't want to upset there customers? What about those of us that don't want to put food in a cart where a dog's bare but, and genitals were just laying on. Also my wife is afraid, and allergic to dogs. We will no longer shop in Sam's Club or any food store that allows this policy. I do own a non-allergenic cat(Bengal), maybe I will start bringing him shopping at these stores.

I agree. Gross!

[Larchap49]

[QUOTE=NotGolfer;2150082]True service dogs have to go through special training (it's also expensive)! "IF/when" they pass it people will be able to observe them in that they respond to their human's prompts. IF in a restaurant they will lie under the table, out of the way. IF walking with a leash, they will "heel" with their human. The rest of us should not pet them unless given permission. Too many people have selfishly (yes it's selfish) pushed the limits to bringing their family pet everywhere. I've seen them in medical clinics too----which is deplorable (pets NOT service animals). I love animals but that's what they are----NOT our "kids"!!![/QUOTE

There are of course the cheats. The ones who buy counterfeit service dog vests. A misbehaving service dog is an imposter because it is obvious it is untrained. Managers and business owners who will inconvenience the many to not confront one person just compound the problem

[jmpate]

Stu,
You go right ahead w/your service horse in Sam's. They also can ride in air planes in a passenger row. Seats are removed for the horse to lay down. "What's good for the goose is good for the gander!"

Yesterday at BJ's there was a small dog riding in a shopping cart barking on a regular basis. No idea if this one was a service animal but it appears that it has become much too easy for fido to go wherever his owner wants him to go.

Perhaps I should get a horse and decide he is a service one who helps me control my emotions:bigbow:.

[Stu from NYC]

Stu,
You go right ahead w/your service horse in Sam's. They also can ride in air planes in a passenger row. Seats are removed for the horse to lay down. "What's good for the goose is good for the gander!"

Wonder if I can get a herd and rent them out, probably can jump the line at a cashier as well:bigbow:

[perrjojo]

😂😱🤪

[The Chipster]

What a great example of a whiny first world problem.

[retiredguy123]

[QUOTE=NotGolfer;2150082]True service dogs have to go through special training (it's also expensive)! "IF/when" they pass it people will be able to observe them in that they respond to their human's prompts. IF in a restaurant they will lie under the table, out of the way. IF walking with a leash, they will "heel" with their human. The rest of us should not pet them unless given permission. Too many people have selfishly (yes it's selfish) pushed the limits to bringing their family pet everywhere. I've seen them in medical clinics too----which is deplorable (pets NOT service animals). I love animals but that's what they are----NOT our "kids"!!![/QUOTE

There are of course the cheats. The ones who buy counterfeit service dog vests. A misbehaving service dog is an imposter because it is obvious it is untrained. Managers and business owners who will inconvenience the many to not confront one person just compound the problem
You can buy a service dog vest online, but it won't be counterfeit. They don't exist. A service vest is entirely optional and so is professional training. According to the Federal disability law, you can train your own dog to perform a task for you, and it will instantly become a legal service dog. There are people who will sell you a service vest, a certificate, or a training program, but none of that is required to have a service dog that will comply with the Federal law.

[airstreamingypsy]

Saturday night mass a lady brought a small dog in a dog carrier into church. She sat down in a chair & the dog didn't make a peep. Obviously not a service dog. Seriously.

So what? Show me where the dog hurt you. The dog was in a carrier and didn't make a peep...... how did that affect your life?

[airstreamingypsy]

Meanwhile, other people do use that top area and put unwrapped produce there. And hand washing is an excellent suggestion, but not because of COVID, which is not transmitted in that fashion.

Yeah, that seat should be reserved for babies with leaky diapers.

[sallyg]

Went into Lady Lake store yesterday, and for the 3rd time I saw a lady with a dog in a cart(not a PTSD dog). I finally said something to 3 employees who said they were just as upset about it but their hands were tied by there managers. They were told they didn't want to upset there customers? What about those of us that don't want to put food in a cart where a dog's bare but, and genitals were just laying on. Also my wife is afraid, and allergic to dogs. We will no longer shop in Sam's Club or any food store that allows this policy. I do own a non-allergenic cat(Bengal), maybe I will start bringing him shopping at these stores.
Please do. ☺️

[airstreamingypsy]

Not true. The Federal disability law does not require any certification letter, or any documentation at all for service dogs.

Correct, and I think it should require proof. I know someone in TV who brings his "service dog" everywhere. The dog wears a too small vest that he may have gotten for a previous dog on Amazon. I've seen it is restaurants during shedding season, by the time they leave you could have another dog from the hair wafting around the room. He also lets people pet her, she never lies down, and she barks. She weighs around 30-35 pounds. No one challenges the dog being where it shouldn't be.

[airstreamingypsy]

What a great example of a whiny first world problem.

It's a right of passage in TV, to whine and complain about dogs.

Dog owners couldn't care less..... we laugh at all the outrage.

[Daxdog]

It doesn't work at Walmart. They have a "no pets" sign, but they don't enforce it. Enforcement is the key. Although, if the dog owner says it is a service dog, there is not much the store can do because of the Federal disability law.
They are allowed to ask what the dog is trained to do, Under Fl law.

[lmrk32]

Well, since you brought up children let’s talk about them. Especially in restaurants and airplanes. They shriek, throw things, have tantrums and they go to the bathroom in their pants, too! What should we do about that?

[Rodneysblue]

Went into Lady Lake store yesterday, and for the 3rd time I saw a lady with a dog in a cart(not a PTSD dog). I finally said something to 3 employees who said they were just as upset about it but their hands were tied by there managers. They were told they didn't want to upset there customers? What about those of us that don't want to put food in a cart where a dog's bare but, and genitals were just laying on. Also my wife is afraid, and allergic to dogs. We will no longer shop in Sam's Club or any food store that allows this policy. I do own a non-allergenic cat(Bengal), maybe I will start bringing him shopping at these stores.
Unfortunately this means you won’t be shopping anywhere. I’ve seen pets in shopping carts all over.

[Byte1]

I love animals, especially dogs. And I have had dogs a good portion of my life. I even trained them in the military for a while. That said, I find people that bring their pets into a store to be irresponsible and lack in manners and common sense. They have total disregard for others. NO ONE brought their pets into a store when I was growing up, let alone pushing one around is a shopping cart. I often wonder if their dogs sit on their dinning room table when they eat meals. Leave your dogs at home when you shop, especially in a Food store or restaurant. You pet owners are showing total disregard and disrespect for your neighbor. If you can't live without a dog attached to your leg wherever you go, then get someone else to shop for you or do your shopping on line and have it delivered. If you are that needy, get some help from a human that specializes in helping needy people. When I see folks in public businesses, especially a food store, I consider them to be weak minded and lacking in respect for others.

[Byte1]

Well, since you brought up children let’s talk about them. Especially in restaurants and airplanes. They shriek, throw things, have tantrums and they go to the bathroom in their pants, too! What should we do about that?

Birth control? Contraceptives? :loco:

[Byte1]

It's a right of passage in TV, to whine and complain about dogs.

Dog owners couldn't care less..... we laugh at all the outrage.

That's obvious. :censored::censored:

[Two Bills]

Well, since you brought up children let’s talk about them. Especially in restaurants and airplanes. They shriek, throw things, have tantrums and they go to the bathroom in their pants, too! What should we do about that?

Drown them all at birth? :shrug:

[Arlene pugh]

Call health department for dogs in carts if managers don’t make owners remove them. Service dogs are not allowed in carts. Dogs may have parasites and don’t wear diapers. Store may and should be fined!!

[Byte1]

Hmm, wonder what the health Dept thinks of animals in food areas. Which is dirtier, a dog or a bug? They shut down food processing businesses when they inspect and find a bug or droppings in the establishment. Perhaps if the health Dept observed dogs in shopping carts, the same would happen.

[seecapecod]

People who lack respect for the rules enough to bring a pet into a store that has a sign that says "no pets" - will lack respect for a manager who tries to enforce the rules. They'll make a fuss, they'll distract the other customers, they'll make the entire place feel uncomfortable to the employees and customers, they'll waste the manager's time, they'll escalate and make demands, they might end up with the police and more yelling and disruption of business, and it'll ultimately cost the store money. And for what? To prove to a pet-owner that the pet-owner is a piece of crap whose dog has more humanity than they do?

Most managers aren't willing to die on that particular hill. They have a business to run. So as long as the dog isn't "doing" anything disruptive, they won't do or say anything to the pet owner. Especially if the senior corporate management has decreed that the local store manager is not -permitted- to do anything more than give the pet-owner the hairy eyeball and keep quiet.

I will say a huzzah for Ay Jalisco. I ate there early last week, outside. Lady with a small dog on a retractable leash asked if she could get a table outside on the patio. The waitress told her to hold on a moment, went inside, and came back out again. Told the lady sorry - no dogs allowed. The lady claimed it was a "therapy" dog. The waitress held firm. She followed the law and the spirit of the law: "therapy" dogs are not "service animals." And "service animals" are the ONLY animals protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act. Proprietors have the right to impose specific rules: "four on the floor," no leash longer than 6 feet, non-retractable, and the dog MUST be heeled when it's not walking. The only rule this lady was obeying was that the dog had all four feet on the ground. It wasn't heeling, she had a retractable leash pulled out to nearly 10 feet.

In addition - a manager/employee has very strict rules about what they can and cannot ask: they can ask "is this a service animal?" If the owner says yes, they can ask "what service is this dog trained to provide?" And the owner has to answer that question.

That's it. They can't ask "what service does this dog provide "FOR YOU?". Only what it's trained to do, in general.

However, the lady volunteered the information that it was a "therapy" dog - which means it's not a service animal. So the waitress then had that opportunity to tell the lady nope - can't come in, can't eat on our patio.

I gave the waitress a bit of an extra tip and told her I was SO glad she stuck to her guns.

Thanks for sharing- very informative and a positive outcome!

[golfing eagles]

Well, since you brought up children let’s talk about them. Especially in restaurants and airplanes. They shriek, throw things, have tantrums and they go to the bathroom in their pants, too! What should we do about that?

Birth control? Contraceptives? :loco:

Drown them all at birth? :shrug:

Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

I love animals, especially dogs. And I have had dogs a good portion of my life. I even trained them in the military for a while. That said, I find people that bring their pets into a store to be irresponsible and lack in manners and common sense. They have total disregard for others. NO ONE brought their pets into a store when I was growing up, let alone pushing one around is a shopping cart. I often wonder if their dogs sit on their dinning room table when they eat meals. Leave your dogs at home when you shop, especially in a Food store or restaurant. You pet owners are showing total disregard and disrespect for your neighbor. If you can't live without a dog attached to your leg wherever you go, then get someone else to shop for you or do your shopping on line and have it delivered. If you are that needy, get some help from a human that specializes in helping needy people. When I see folks in public businesses, especially a food store, I consider them to be weak minded and lacking in respect for others.

Thank You.

How many requests to certify an animal as an "emotional support dog" did I grant in 35 years-----exactly ZERO. I did offer the patients a psychiatric referral to deal with their separation anxiety---guess how many agreed----ZERO. Unfortunately, people will try to game the system no matter what the rules are.

[rrtjp]

Yesterday at BJ's there was a small dog riding in a shopping cart barking on a regular basis. No idea if this one was a service animal but it appears that it has become much too easy for fido to go wherever his owner wants him to go.

Perhaps I should get a horse and decide he is a service one who helps me control my emotions:bigbow:.
I remember a time when people didn’t need an “emotional support animal “ to deal with life. Ahhhh the good ole days. When men were men and women were women, lol.

[NotGolfer]

When did people begin to refer to their pets as their "kids"? Then added to that "pet-parents and grandparents"???? Yes...animals do "seem" to have personality etc., BUT do they speak (actual words). Don't get me wrong....we've had both cats and dogs as pets. BUT back then NO ONE would have thought about taking them into stores!!! Yes, we'd take our dog in the car if running a quick errand but she stayed in it if we had to go inside a store. NEVER did it when grocery shopping!!! We've lived here 13 years and this has been something that seems to be growing more prevalent.

Some years ago, sitting in the airport up north to come back to FL a lady had her cute fluff-muffin in her lap. I commented on how cute it was and how was it traveling (she did have a carrier at her feet). She said "Fluffy HATED being in the carrier on the plane so next time she'd get a harness from online and sneak her in as a service animal". Yes, they walk among us!! Anyone who thinks it's o.k.----well you need training too.

[fdpaq0580]

It's a right of passage in TV, to whine and complain about dogs.

Dog owners couldn't care less..... we laugh at all the outrage.

Many of the folks you laugh at are also dog owners and former dog owners. They were brought up to respect others. They understand that dogs are not sterile and can carry all kinds of filth. The people you laugh at understand that there are places that animals (fyi, dogs are animals) don't belong.

[Stu from NYC]

When did people begin to refer to their pets as their "kids"? Then added to that "pet-parents and grandparents"???? Yes...animals do "seem" to have personality etc., BUT do they speak (actual words). Don't get me wrong....we've had both cats and dogs as pets. BUT back then NO ONE would have thought about taking them into stores!!! Yes, we'd take our dog in the car if running a quick errand but she stayed in it if we had to go inside a store. NEVER did it when grocery shopping!!! We've lived here 13 years and this has been something that seems to be growing more prevalent.

Some years ago, sitting in the airport up north to come back to FL a lady had her cute fluff-muffin in her lap. I commented on how cute it was and how was it traveling (she did have a carrier at her feet). She said "Fluffy HATED being in the carrier on the plane so next time she'd get a harness from online and sneak her in as a service animal". Yes, they walk among us!! Anyone who thinks it's o.k.----well you need training too.

Some people think it is all about them

[virtue51]

The Food and Drug Administration prohibits live animals in grocery stores with the exception of service dogs and canine dogs with a police officer. Next time, you should take a photo and send to the Department of Health or send it to one of the news channels.

[Deden]

She probably knew, just ignored it. Yeah, I'm sick of seeing all animals in our carts.

[Eg_cruz]

Hey, I think you're on to something! Instead of bad parking pictures let's see bad pet owner pictures. Could be amusing.
That’s a good one

[Deden]

Unbeknownst to her she has to present proper papers Ha LOl

[OhioBuckeye]

In todays world everyone thinks or tries to convince the stores they are service animals. I say your right keep ALL animals out of anything that serves food it’s no place for animals. Very unsanitary!

[Burgy]

While at Marshals on Saturday, lady with a mid size terrier sitting in shopping cart, took a bowl off the shelf,, poured water in it. Let her dog drink from the bowl, then put the bowl back on the shelf.

Management watch her as did 4 customers. She was asked to leave, and given the bowl since it was no longer a sellable item. Her comments on the way out…

I will never shop here again… my dog is cleaner than any of you. Management was thanked by multiple customers for doing the right thing. I have noticed some businesses are posting a sign no animals allowed, unless it’s a service dog. Wonder how that’s working.

She should be told to drink out of the bowl.

[Petersweeney]

Please please close this thread…..

[nancyre]

What store? This needs to stop. Service animals on their feet - not where my food goes.

[DaleDivine]

While at Marshals on Saturday, lady with a mid size terrier sitting in shopping cart, took a bowl off the shelf,, poured water in it. Let her dog drink from the bowl, then put the bowl back on the shelf.

Management watch her as did 4 customers. She was asked to leave, and given the bowl since it was no longer a sellable item. Her comments on the way out…

I will never shop here again… my dog is cleaner than any of you. Management was thanked by multiple customers for doing the right thing. I have noticed some businesses are posting a sign no animals allowed, unless it’s a service dog. Wonder how that’s working.

Sounds like a KAREN to me...
:a20::a20:

[golfing eagles]

She should be told to drink out of the bowl.

Since she probably lets the mutt lick her face, I doubt she'd have a problem with it

[JeanBean]

Went into Lady Lake store yesterday, and for the 3rd time I saw a lady with a dog in a cart(not a PTSD dog). I finally said something to 3 employees who said they were just as upset about it but their hands were tied by there managers. They were told they didn't want to upset there customers? What about those of us that don't want to put food in a cart where a dog's bare but, and genitals were just laying on. Also my wife is afraid, and allergic to dogs. We will no longer shop in Sam's Club or any food store that allows this policy. I do own a non-allergenic cat(Bengal), maybe I will start bringing him shopping at these stores.

I am a pet lover but believe their owners should obey the rules and responsibilities of pet ownership. Since we live in an age when rules are frequently broken, and staff and management of shops are afraid to confront and enforce, perhaps they could post an agent from the Board of Health in those stores to issue citations to offenders.

[jimjamuser]

Heath violation. Take pictures. Report to town and State . They will Take action
That might work if people had license plates.

[jimjamuser]

Saturday night mass a lady brought a small dog in a dog carrier into church. She sat down in a chair & the dog didn't make a peep. Obviously not a service dog. Seriously.
I wonder if the dog was trained to cross himself (like the people there).

[jimjamuser]

I love animals, especially dogs. And I have had dogs a good portion of my life. I even trained them in the military for a while. That said, I find people that bring their pets into a store to be irresponsible and lack in manners and common sense. They have total disregard for others. NO ONE brought their pets into a store when I was growing up, let alone pushing one around is a shopping cart. I often wonder if their dogs sit on their dinning room table when they eat meals. Leave your dogs at home when you shop, especially in a Food store or restaurant. You pet owners are showing total disregard and disrespect for your neighbor. If you can't live without a dog attached to your leg wherever you go, then get someone else to shop for you or do your shopping on line and have it delivered. If you are that needy, get some help from a human that specializes in helping needy people. When I see folks in public businesses, especially a food store, I consider them to be weak minded and lacking in respect for others.
There are a lot of people in TV Land or elsewhere that think mostly or only, about themselves. Seeing themselves from another's point of view may be difficult mentally and beyond their skill set. Empathy is a higher-level form of imagination that not everyone possesses and might decrease with advancing age.

The Villages is considered a pet-friendly community, which theoretically should be a good thing. But, I have seen many instances of out-of-control dogs. I saw a woman walking a 30 lb dog on a long 20 ft leash and it was running around in a park with other people - and the dog (for no apparent reason) bites a man's hand that was walking by - she had ZERO control over that dog. I saw a man's dog bite another man and the 1st man grabs up his dog and hurries to his car and gets away. Apparently, not wanting to have to prove anything about rabies shots or to be responsible for any medical bills. In neither of these cases do I blame the dog so much as the HUMAN that showed a lack of judgment and empathy. I am, also, sure that situations like this happen daily in TV Land.

[Vermilion Villager]

The dog could be old, ill, injured and unable to walk very well, or at all. At least the poor animal gets some fresh air and a change of scenery and smell.
I have an idea.....let them bring the dog to your house! :BigApplause:

[RiderOnTheStorm]

True service dogs have to go through special training (it's also expensive)! "IF/when" they pass it people will be able to observe them in that they respond to their human's prompts. IF in a restaurant they will lie under the table, out of the way. IF walking with a leash, they will "heel" with their human. The rest of us should not pet them unless given permission. Too many people have selfishly (yes it's selfish) pushed the limits to bringing their family pet everywhere. I've seen them in medical clinics too----which is deplorable (pets NOT service animals). I love animals but that's what they are----NOT our "kids"!!!

"True service dogs" is the key word here. I know of several people who brag of how easy it is to get official-looking service dog badging off the internet for around $10. I have had dogs all my life, but stop short of bringing them into stores or restaurants. Pets will do just fine being alone for 6-8 hours.

[Stu from NYC]

"True service dogs" is the key word here. I know of several people who brag of how easy it is to get official-looking service dog badging off the internet for around $10. I have had dogs all my life, but stop short of bringing them into stores or restaurants. Pets will do just fine being alone for 6-8 hours.

The problem is way to many people have the foolish idea that their pets are another child.

They are not and will never will be. Get a life instead.

[retiredguy123]

"True service dogs" is the key word here. I know of several people who brag of how easy it is to get official-looking service dog badging off the internet for around $10. I have had dogs all my life, but stop short of bringing them into stores or restaurants. Pets will do just fine being alone for 6-8 hours.
There is no such thing as a "true service dog" or an "official service dog". If you have a dog, all you need to do is to train the dog yourself to perform a task that helps you in some service related way. Then, you can take the dog almost anywhere, and, if someone questions you about it, you can say, "this is a service dog and it is trained to do this task for me". Period. You have met all of the requirements of the Federal law related to service dogs. You don't need a vest, a certification, or any third party training. You will be in full compliance with the Federal law, and, if anyone tries to ask you additional questions, they can be sued for violating a Federal law. There are people who are propagating a myth that you need additional documentation so they can sell you something that is not needed and is totally worthless.

[Debfrommaine]

Yeah, that seat should be reserved for babies with leaky diapers.

I was thinking the same thing!

[fdpaq0580]

Well, since you brought up children let’s talk about them. Especially in restaurants and airplanes. They shriek, throw things, have tantrums and they go to the bathroom in their pants, too! What should we do about that?

Put them in crates and let them travel in the cargo area with the other animals? Or, their parents could teach them good manners so they would be welcomed by the other well mannered and civilized humans.

[fdpaq0580]

Thank You.

How many requests to certify an animal as an "emotional support dog" did I grant in 35 years-----exactly ZERO. I did offer the patients a psychiatric referral to deal with their separation anxiety---guess how many agreed----ZERO. Unfortunately, people will try to game the system no matter what the rules are.

Would you certify my teddy bear? He is a great emotional support toy animal. 🐻

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It personally doesn't bother me to see dogs in establishments or carts. Yes the bare butt on cart may not be the most hygienic but I don't put groceries in that top area and have acquired a great hand washing routine since Covid that probably prevents me from getting any residual butt remnants into me. Dogs always make me smile, but if you're allergic, I can see how that would be more of an issue.

For me it's a matter of respecting the rules, and not being a special snowflake.

If the sign indicates that pets aren't supposed to be there, then respect that, and don't lie just to justify your /false/ sense of entitlement.

There are places that say "pets welcome!" and I'm FINE with that. There are even some communities around the country where pets are welcome in almost every store, with very few exceptions. And again - that's awesome.

Signs that specify "Service Animals only" are sort of like deed restrictions. You have no excuse to complain, if you get a notice from community standards ordering you to put the grass back on your lawn and remove the river rocks, no matter how nice it looks. And you have no excuse to complain, if the store manager tells you that your PET is not welcome.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Service dogs must have certification letters and should be able to present them upon request

No, they don't. There is no national Service Animal certification program. It doesn't exist. Anyone can get a Service Animal vest on Amazon, and anyone can print up a "certificate of completion" with a pretty gold star on it. It has no meaning at all.

It is also against the law to require proof that the owner needs a service animal, because it violates the Americans with Disabilities Act.

[fdpaq0580]

I have an idea.....let them bring the dog to your house! :BigApplause:

I was merely offering reasons why one might see a dog in a stroller. Never once said I would care to have them at my home. How about you? You seem ready to offer other people's homes and property. How about you offer your own??

[fdpaq0580]

There is no such thing as a "true service dog" or an "official service dog". If you have a dog, all you need to do is to train the dog yourself to perform a task that helps you in some service related way. Then, you can take the dog almost anywhere, and, if someone questions you about it, you can say, "this is a service dog and it is trained to do this task for me". Period. You have met all of the requirements of the Federal law related to service dogs. You don't need a vest, a certification, or any third party training. You will be in full compliance with the Federal law, and, if anyone tries to ask you additional questions, they can be sued for violating a Federal law. There are people who are propagating a myth that you need additional documentation so they can sell you something that is not needed and is totally worthless.

WOW! Are you saying I could teach my Rottweiler to pee on your shoes for me and then I could take him to Arnold Palmer's?

[lmrk32]

Ha ha your ignorance is amusing

[DAVES]

Went into Lady Lake store yesterday, and for the 3rd time I saw a lady with a dog in a cart(not a PTSD dog). I finally said something to 3 employees who said they were just as upset about it but their hands were tied by there managers. They were told they didn't want to upset there customers? What about those of us that don't want to put food in a cart where a dog's bare but, and genitals were just laying on. Also my wife is afraid, and allergic to dogs. We will no longer shop in Sam's Club or any food store that allows this policy. I do own a non-allergenic cat(Bengal), maybe I will start bringing him shopping at these stores.

Regrettably no matter what the issue, what the place,, there are always PIGS who think the the world revolves around them.

[DAVES]

WOW! Are you saying I could teach my Rottweiler to pee on your shoes for me and then I could take him to Arnold Palmer's?

I don't believe you are allowed to own a Rottweiler in the villages.

[golfing eagles]

Would you certify my teddy bear? He is a great emotional support toy animal. 🐻

No. I don’t want to ruin my perfect record 😂😂😂

[fdpaq0580]

No. I don’t want to ruin my perfect record 😂😂😂

That's right. Make it all about you.
What if I said "pretty please with a cherry on top"??
😢

[fdpaq0580]

I don't believe you are allowed to own a Rottweiler in the villages.

He identifies as a cockadoodlelabradoo.

[JSR22]

I don't believe you are allowed to own a Rottweiler in the villages.

Absolutely you can own a Rottweiler in TV. There are not any breed restrictions.

[OhioBuckeye]

We lived there long enough to know disagreeing here by making comments won’t change pets in stores or restaurants one bit. TV won’t make any resident mad no matter what anybody does. Pet owners won’t change so just save your breath & go elsewhere to shop then maybe TV will get our health message! Love dogs & cats but stores & restaurants aren’t a place to bring your pet into!

[JSR22]

We lived there long enough to know disagreeing here by making comments won’t change pets in stores or restaurants one bit. TV won’t make any resident mad no matter what anybody does. Pet owners won’t change so just save your breath & go elsewhere to shop then maybe TV will get our health message! Love dogs & cats but stores & restaurants aren’t a place to bring your pet into!

Legitimate service dogs are allowed in supermarkets and inside of restaurants. A number of restaurants allow dogs on their outside patio. I know of 2 that have doggy menus.

[ThirdOfFive]

Absolutely you can own a Rottweiler in TV. There are not any breed restrictions.
There may very well be house insurance restrictions though. Rottweilers, Akitas and Pit Bulls, depending on the company, may mean much higher rates or the company may refuse to insure.

[Byte1]

I don't believe you are allowed to own a Rottweiler in the villages.

Not even if it is a "service dog?"

[Byte1]

I was in a store a couple months ago, where a dog pooped on the floor. Before I was even able to point it out to the owner, and holler "clean up on aisle 3" the owner said with a smile "don't worry, I brought a poop bag with me." Now, that is what I consider a considerate pet owner........:a20:

[JSR22]

There may very well be house insurance restrictions though. Rottweilers, Akitas and Pit Bulls, depending on the company, may mean much higher rates or the company may refuse to insure.

I have not heard of any homeowner insurance that is breed selective in FL.

[yankygrl]

Legitimate service dogs are allowed in supermarkets and inside of restaurants. A number of restaurants allow dogs on their outside patio. I know of 2 that have doggy menus.
And for approximately $39.95 you can go online and get a service dog vest, no questions asked, put it on your dog and take it anywhere Service animals are allowed. SO SAD people think they are privileged and need to break the rules.!

[JSR22]

And for approximately $39.95 you can go online and get a service dog vest, no questions asked, put it on your dog and take it anywhere Service animals are allowed. SO SAD people think they are privileged and need to break the rules.!

I am totally against people lying that their pet is a service dog. They are wasting on the vest. Service dogs are not rquired to wear vests or have papers.

[fdpaq0580]

What a great example of a whiny first world problem.

Thank your lucky stars you don't have third world problems.

[jimjamuser]

Absolutely you can own a Rottweiler in TV. There are not any breed restrictions.
I am sure that is true. But, if I were the dog breed decider-in-chief - I would not allow Bulldogs to be bred and sold in the US. They are the # 1 breed for attacking and killing humans.

[jimjamuser]

I am totally against people lying that their pet is a service dog. They are wasting on the vest. Service dogs are not rquired to wear vests or have papers.
The vest fills a psychological need in the dog owner. It gives the illusion of legitimacy to the dog owner. Having a dog around gives people the comforting feeling that they are NOT alone. People and dogs are BOTH pack (or group) animals.

[Stu from NYC]

The vest fills a psychological need in the dog owner. It gives the illusion of legitimacy to the dog owner. Having a dog around gives people the comforting feeling that they are NOT alone. People and dogs are BOTH pack (or group) animals.

So it is ok for dogs to be all over in places they should not be?

[fdpaq0580]

The vest fills a psychological need in the dog owner. It gives the illusion of legitimacy to the dog owner. Having a dog around gives people the comforting feeling that they are NOT alone. People and dogs are BOTH pack (or group) animals.

There are many people who do not like dogs, trust dogs, are allergic to dogs, fear dogs. Dogs DO NOT comfort those individuals and those who fake "service dog" are guilty of abuse. If you (generic "you")are one of those people who have faked your dog being a trained and legitimate service dog, you are a cheat, liar, fraud, without scruples, morals or ethics.

[retiredguy123]

So it is ok for dogs to be all over in places they should not be?
LOL. Dogs should not be where they should not be.

[fdpaq0580]

So it is ok for dogs to be all over in places they should not be?

Absolutely not! Only legitimate SERVICE dogs and law enforcement dogs get that privilege. Others masquerading as service dogs are owned by jerks who should not be able to own a dog.

[jimjamuser]

So it is ok for dogs to be all over in places they should not be?
I did NOT address that particular question in my post. My post just talked about the yellow vests and the psychology behind their purchase and use. Personally, I think that only a handicapped person should bring a dog indoors to any business. In another post, I spoke about the callousness of dog owners whose dogs had bitten innocent people. I also said that I did NOT think that pit bulls should be allowed into the US. I feel just the opposite of 'so it's for dogs to be all over in places they should not be". I can't understand as to how my posts could be so misconstrued. I tried to be definitive about my posts.

[jimjamuser]

There are many people who do not like dogs, trust dogs, are allergic to dogs, fear dogs. Dogs DO NOT comfort those individuals and those who fake "service dog" are guilty of abuse. If you (generic "you")are one of those people who have faked your dog being a trained and legitimate service dog, you are a cheat, liar, fraud, without scruples, morals or ethics.
I agree.

[golfing eagles]

Yeah, that seat should be reserved for babies with leaky diapers.

Yes, because we all know that you HAVE to bring your dog to the store, but it's perfectly acceptable to leave your baby at home alone.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I am sure that is true. But, if I were the dog breed decider-in-chief - I would not allow Bulldogs to be bred and sold in the US. They are the # 1 breed for attacking and killing humans.

The breed of dog known as Bulldog is not the #1 breed for attacking and killing humans. In fact, they tend to have a pretty docile temperament.

You may be confusing the Bulldog with what is commonly known as a Pit Bull. These are different dogs. What people refer to as "Pit Bull" is often any of several different breed mixes. The most common is the American Pit Bull Terrier, which descent from Old English Terriers bred with Old English Bulldogs. Both of those ancestors are now extinct. American Pit Bull Terriers were been traditionally bred for blood sports (dog fighting mostly). But they were trained to be aggressive, often tortured and starved so that when they entered the fight they would be incredibly vicious. Combined with the strength of their bite as a result of their jaw structure, they could easily latch onto a limb and simply not let go, until the limb is completely severed. That's how they got their reputation.

While they absolutely can be incredibly dangerous, and can kill people - most of them don't. Most of them, now, are raised as pets rather than fighting dogs. But they are work animals and require a "job" or they can get bored - and frustrated - and lash out as a result.

[Stu from NYC]

Absolutely not! Only legitimate SERVICE dogs and law enforcement dogs get that privilege. Others masquerading as service dogs are owned by jerks who should not be able to own a dog.

Unfortunately way too easy to bring all kinds of dogs masquerading as service dogs in stores and restaurants

[Two Bills]

If the powers that be, wont use the powers they have, forget it.

[ThirdOfFive]

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[ThirdOfFive]

I have not heard of any homeowner insurance that is breed selective in FL.
homeinsured dot org/article 12-dog-breeds-florida-home-insurers-refuse-to-cover

[JSR22]

homeinsured dot org/article 12-dog-breeds-florida-home-insurers-refuse-to-cover

I have several friends in TV who own some of the breeds. Not every insurance company restricts dog breeds.

[jimjamuser]

The breed of dog known as Bulldog is not the #1 breed for attacking and killing humans. In fact, they tend to have a pretty docile temperament.

You may be confusing the Bulldog with what is commonly known as a Pit Bull. These are different dogs. What people refer to as "Pit Bull" is often any of several different breed mixes. The most common is the American Pit Bull Terrier, which descent from Old English Terriers bred with Old English Bulldogs. Both of those ancestors are now extinct. American Pit Bull Terriers were been traditionally bred for blood sports (dog fighting mostly). But they were trained to be aggressive, often tortured and starved so that when they entered the fight they would be incredibly vicious. Combined with the strength of their bite as a result of their jaw structure, they could easily latch onto a limb and simply not let go, until the limb is completely severed. That's how they got their reputation.

While they absolutely can be incredibly dangerous, and can kill people - most of them don't. Most of them, now, are raised as pets rather than fighting dogs. But they are work animals and require a "job" or they can get bored - and frustrated - and lash out as a result.
True. I did confuse the breeds bulldog and American Pit Bull. It is the Pit Bull that I tried to rail against. I used the term Pit Bull in another post. What I was trying to inform the Forum about was - that there is one breed that tops the list, by far, for aggressive behavior and biting of humans and even being so dangerous as to killing a number of infant babies every year. And I believe it is the Pit Bull. I think that this subject would be good to talk about as it relates well to this thread. Basically, all dog breeds are not the same as to their aggressiveness and danger to humans. For example, contrast a Labrador Retriever to a Pit Bull.

[Byte1]

It seems that some insurance carriers are leaving the state. And it's not due to dog breeds they refuse to insure.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I have a daughter that seems like a walking, talking encyclopedia too. I tease her by calling her Cliff Clavin when she gets carried away. :beer3:

Cliff Clavin never actually looked up anything he said.

I am a product of the internet age, starting my online education in 1990 with the advent of personal computers being in every household and telnet and bulletin board systems (BBS). So from the time I was 29 years old, til now, at the ripe old age of 61, I've involved the internet in my life.

I've spent many years learning /how/ to research stuff. Knowing what to dismiss, what to question further, what sources to consider as factual, which ones to be more curious about. I've delved DEEP into the "rabbit hole" of data for the past thirty years. Some of it was related to my job, where I was required to "look stuff up." You learn all kinds of stuff about a single topic, when you learn which questions to ask.