Roofing Solicitors back again

[gatorbill1]

Apex Roofing once again is going door to door to solicit for new roofs. I reported them to Sumter County sherrif's office once before. When I told them they were against Florida State Law for soliciting door to door for roofs and I was going to report them to the sherrif again, they said they were not against any law, and I was wasting my time calling the sherrif. Maybe I am wasting my time, but I called and reported them again.
This is why homeowner insurance has gone up.

[blueash]

Apex Roofing once again is going door to door to solicit for new roofs. I reported them to Sumter County sherrif's office once before. When I told them they were against Florida State Law for soliciting door to door for roofs and I was going to report them to the sherrif again, they said they were not against any law, and I was wasting my time calling the sherrif. Maybe I am wasting my time, but I called and reported them again.
This is why homeowner insurance has gone up.

Apex is correct. There is no law against door to door solicitation. The law does require the seller get a county permit to solicit, not enforced AFAIK. This has been corrected many times on TOTV.
The law is HERE (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0500-0599/0501/Sections/0501.022.html)
The agent is supposed to carry a copy of the permit. There is no specified penalty for not carrying the permit in that section.
The penalty is in section 501.055

"501.055 Home solicitation sale; penalties.—
(1) Violation of any of the provisions of ss. 501.025-501.047 is a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(2) Any person who conducts or attempts to conduct a home solicitation sale without first obtaining and having in her or his possession a valid, current permit as required by s. 501.022 or who uses or attempts to use an expired, suspended, or revoked home solicitation sale permit in a home solicitation sale is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. Upon second or subsequent conviction for violation of this subsection, the offender is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
....."

Your complaint should not be that Apex is perhaps soliciting. Rather that you were not shown a license to be displayed from the first link
"(8) Every permitholder shall carry the permit and certificate required by this section at all times while engaged in home solicitation sales and shall display the same to all prospective buyers before initiating the solicitation of a sale, lease, or rental."

This is tricky because it could be a legal question if Apex is actually soliciting. Their speech, which I've heard several times, is that they offer a roof inspection for free. The initial contact does not include a sales pitch although you know that is coming. Your agreement to allow an inspection then creates a business relationship which allows them to contact you to offer to sell a new roof, no permit required. Offering a free inspection does not meet the definition of solicitation under Florida law.

[fdpaq0580]

They came here once. Told them "I never do business with anyone who solicits or cold calls. Please leave now and never come back". They have never returned.

[Topspinmo]

Apex Roofing once again is going door to door to solicit for new roofs. I reported them to Sumter County sherrif's office once before. When I told them they were against Florida State Law for soliciting door to door for roofs and I was going to report them to the sherrif again, they said they were not against any law, and I was wasting my time calling the sherrif. Maybe I am wasting my time, but I called and reported them again.
This is why homeowner insurance has gone up.

Just say no. And no, and no. Eventually they will take the hint.

[Topspinmo]

The same guy from apex rang my door bell 5 times the last 4 times I say no. He started to mutter and I said no. You’ve been 4 time is two months. Get off my property.

They zero in on 3 tab and faded/stained shingles.

[Stu from NYC]

If they do an inspection there is a 99.78% chance they will try and talk you into a new roof.

[Topspinmo]

If they do an inspection there is a 99.78% chance they will try and talk you into a new roof.

I disagree with apex 99.99999999999% chance.

[gatorbill1]

Apex is correct. There is no law against door to door solicitation. The law does require the seller get a county permit to solicit, not enforced AFAIK. This has been corrected many times on TOTV.
The law is HERE (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0500-0599/0501/Sections/0501.022.html)
The agent is supposed to carry a copy of the permit. There is no specified penalty for not carrying the permit in that section.
The penalty is in section 501.055

"501.055 Home solicitation sale; penalties.—
(1) Violation of any of the provisions of ss. 501.025-501.047 is a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(2) Any person who conducts or attempts to conduct a home solicitation sale without first obtaining and having in her or his possession a valid, current permit as required by s. 501.022 or who uses or attempts to use an expired, suspended, or revoked home solicitation sale permit in a home solicitation sale is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. Upon second or subsequent conviction for violation of this subsection, the offender is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
....."

Your complaint should not be that Apex is perhaps soliciting. Rather that you were not shown a license to be displayed from the first link
"(8) Every permitholder shall carry the permit and certificate required by this section at all times while engaged in home solicitation sales and shall display the same to all prospective buyers before initiating the solicitation of a sale, lease, or rental."

This is tricky because it could be a legal question if Apex is actually soliciting. Their speech, which I've heard several times, is that they offer a roof inspection for free. The initial contact does not include a sales pitch although you know that is coming. Your agreement to allow an inspection then creates a business relationship which allows them to contact you to offer to sell a new roof, no permit required. Offering a free inspection does not meet the definition of solicitation under Florida law.

So this is another "nothing" law picture opp. Why didn't sherrif office know this??

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We're actually looking for a reliable roofing company to do maintenance. I'm doubtful these door to door folks would be interested though. We have a metal roof and we want to keep it that way.

[davem4616]

just say 'no'

that's a complete sentence

[Stu from NYC]

We like to keep a hose handy and just threaten to soak them.

However on a hot day some ask us to shoot them with hose. Need to find a better way to get rid of them.

[SIRE1]

I've always been led to believe that door to door solicitation is banned in The Villages. I wonder what else that was advertised to be restrictive in The Villages is also not enforceable?

[vintageogauge]

I have a small "No Soliciting" sign by my doorbell, it works. The only company that didn't care about the sign was Service Smart but he never came back after he heard my sales pitch.

[Bjeanj]

just say 'no'

that's a complete sentence

Yep.

[Topspinmo]

We're actually looking for a reliable roofing company to do maintenance. I'm doubtful these door to door folks would be interested though. We have a metal roof and we want to keep it that way.

No reason the rest of villages can’t have metal roofs. They last for 40 plus year’s. Who looks up at roof anyway. People complain about antenna’s , but what about the IMO ugly solar panels and pool heater panels.

[Stu from NYC]

No reason the rest of villages can’t have metal roofs. They last for 40 plus year’s. Who looks up at roof anyway. People complain about antenna’s , but what about the IMO ugly solar panels and pool heater panels.

Wonder what your arc would say about that?

[Skunky1]

Knock knock. Have you heard the news? There is no solicitation in the villages. It is posted at the entryway where gates are located.

[midiwiz]

Apex Roofing once again is going door to door to solicit for new roofs. I reported them to Sumter County sherrif's office once before. When I told them they were against Florida State Law for soliciting door to door for roofs and I was going to report them to the sherrif again, they said they were not against any law, and I was wasting my time calling the sherrif. Maybe I am wasting my time, but I called and reported them again.
This is why homeowner insurance has gone up.

that has nothing to do with why homeowner insurance has gone up, and it's not against state law to solicit door to door. but I'm sure you like the others will post this crap again.

If you want the source for insurance to go up, first look at mother nature, then insurance company economics, and then a bunch of northeasterners along the atlantic coast - that will give you plenty of ammo. otherwise it's your roof, your damage if any.

What I can tell you is if these companies show up, there's a decent chance you need something done up there, just speaking from experience. I've had one replaced by a company like this at my previous home. so blame me, I don't care.

[thevillages2013]

No reason the rest of villages can’t have metal roofs. They last for 40 plus year’s. Who looks up at roof anyway. People complain about antenna’s , but what about the IMO ugly solar panels and pool heater panels.

I would definitely put a metal roof on mine when it needs replacement ( 6 years old). With all the talk of roof replacement and insurance requiring new roofs after 12-15 years I got two different local roofers to look at my roof and both say it’s in great shape. I’m curious if there is a higher risk of lightning strikes with a metal roof. I guess you could ground that sucker

[Anne Cink]

They are irritating and insistent! No way I was going to hire a door-to-door solicitor. And, no way I was going to give him the name and phone number for our insurance agent. When they said I qualified for a "free roof" from my insurance company, I said I'd call them myself. The guy got all agitated and said "No, we need to call them." He kept insisting they make the call.
So, what is it that gives them so much leverage over the insurance company? I'm convinced a lot of people get their "free roof" because of some glitch in the law and this company applies pressure to get it. (Not because they actually deserved to have the insurance company pay for it.)
The insurance inspector came out and said we did not qualify for a claim for a new roof.We ended up getting a new roof on our own. It's been 16 years and we needed to do it. We went with a well-established local company - Salt Roofing. Great work!

[Stu from NYC]

that has nothing to do with why homeowner insurance has gone up, and it's not against state law to solicit door to door. but I'm sure you like the others will post this crap again.

If you want the source for insurance to go up, first look at mother nature, then insurance company economics, and then a bunch of northeasterners along the atlantic coast - that will give you plenty of ammo. otherwise it's your roof, your damage if any.

What I can tell you is if these companies show up, there's a decent chance you need something done up there, just speaking from experience. I've had one replaced by a company like this at my previous home. so blame me, I don't care.

Wow I totally disagree with you, do you happen to work for a roofing company?

[DaleDivine]

I would definitely put a metal roof on mine when it needs replacement ( 6 years old). With all the talk of roof replacement and insurance requiring new roofs after 12-15 years I got two different local roofers to look at my roof and both say it’s in great shape. I’m curious if there is a higher risk of lightning strikes with a metal roof. I guess you could ground that sucker

If you do a Google search on metal roofs you will see a lot of different variations.
They're not like the old long tin roofs. Several look just like shingles or clay roofs.
:bigbow::ho::welcome:

[DaleDivine]

that has nothing to do with why homeowner insurance has gone up, and it's not against state law to solicit door to door. but I'm sure you like the others will post this crap again.

If you want the source for insurance to go up, first look at mother nature, then insurance company economics, and then a bunch of northeasterners along the atlantic coast - that will give you plenty of ammo. otherwise it's your roof, your damage if any.

What I can tell you is if these companies show up, there's a decent chance you need something done up there, just speaking from experience. I've had one replaced by a company like this at my previous home. so blame me, I don't care.

Pretty sure it's against the law in CYV's because the streets are private in them.
:shocked::shocked:

[DaleDivine]

Wonder what your arc would say about that?

There are some homes in TV with metal roofs.
ARC APPROVED...

:ho:

[Randyj66]

It is not the roofing companies fault insurance has risen, it is because of many greedy homeowners that believe they are above the law and choose to go along with the insurance scam. Maybe if those homeowners where prosecuted for insurance fraud that might change everything! Does anyone actually think free offers are free, seriously! Pay for your own roof! Don't make me pay for something I don't own!!!

[HiHoSteveO]

Apex Roofing once again is going door to door to solicit for new roofs. I reported them to Sumter County sherrif's office once before. When I told them they were against Florida State Law for soliciting door to door for roofs and I was going to report them to the sherrif again, they said they were not against any law, and I was wasting my time calling the sherrif. Maybe I am wasting my time, but I called and reported them again.
This is why homeowner insurance has gone up.

APEX was at my door a few days ago too. I quickly sent them away with barely a word.
The Villages Insurance has said that these claims are the cause of rate increases and to NOT assign benefits to the roofing company.

1) BUT.... Why are insurance companies even paying for damage?
Is it weather related? In 8 years here in a new house I can't recall a hailstorm or a wind event greater than Hurricane Irma in 2017. Maybe there was one, but can't recall any. I did find a shingle from a neighbors house on my driveway, but besides flooding, that was the worst I saw of Irma. If there was wind damage, wouldn't it usually simply be a repair rather than a replacement?
If NOT weather related, wouldn't that be covered under the 10 year home warranty? Wouldn't that be a defect in materials or workmanship?

2) Aren't insurance companies themselves partly responsible by requiring roofs no older than a certain (low) number of years in order to even obtain coverage?

It seems to me that by requiring homeowners to have a relatively recent roof, they are encouraging homeowners to let the insurance pay for it.
No wonder the roofers are thriving.

[chenault55]

I've always been led to believe that door to door solicitation is banned in The Villages. I wonder what else that was advertised to be restrictive in The Villages is also not enforceable?

I have never read in any publication or heard any oral advertisement from the developer that door to door solicitation was not allowed or against the law. I have however heard rumors and read on this forum and others that had no proof this was the case. Verify anything you read from other people because there is at least a 50/50 chance it’s just rumor or conjecture. Well meaning but not necessarily true.

[Stu from NYC]

It is not the roofing companies fault insurance has risen, it is because of many greedy homeowners that believe they are above the law and choose to go along with the insurance scam. Maybe if those homeowners where prosecuted for insurance fraud that might change everything! Does anyone actually think free offers are free, seriously! Pay for your own roof! Don't make me pay for something I don't own!!!

The roofing companies are knocking on your door telling you how to get a free replacement roof. How do you not assign blame to them?

[nativetex]

I never answer my door to someone I do not know. The only exception is when I have arranged for some type of work to be done. Why answer the door to people you do not know? Plus I have an 81 pound dog with a big bark.

[NoMo50]

If Apex, or any other uninvited solicitor shows up at your door, simply tell them you are not interested and to leave your property immediately. If they fail to comply, they are now trespassing. That IS a crime, and it is enforceable.

[FredJacobs]

They rang my bell and offered the free roof inspection. I told them that the inspector would have to leave all his tools on the ground so that I would know that "loose" shingles were real. He refused. I contacted Eustis Roofing for an inspection. They told me that my roof had another 3-5 years before it might have to be replaced.

[Captainpd]

Apex Roofing once again is going door to door to solicit for new roofs. I reported them to Sumter County sherrif's office once before. When I told them they were against Florida State Law for soliciting door to door for roofs and I was going to report them to the sherrif again, they said they were not against any law, and I was wasting my time calling the sherrif. Maybe I am wasting my time, but I called and reported them again.
This is why homeowner insurance has gone up.

Your home insurance coverage went up because the replacement price of your house is up 32%. And your insurance didn't do up 32%! And if your insurance went up $1000 a year, it would take 15 years to cover the price of your roof.

[Chi-Town]

Thinking about what the procedure is to get a new roof covered by insurance. Is it granted without the insurance company's inspection?

[merrymini]

Thanks for the information on metal roofs. Everything always looks good until you turn it over.

[OhioBuckeye]

Also roofing shingles are made of petroleum & since gas prices are up so is shingles, in house items & auto body parts, ect. ect. TV told us when we moved to TV maintenance solicitors aren’t allowed to keep coming back to your home & keep hounding you to buy something. So yes keep calling the Sheriff & keep slamming the door on these bird dog solicitors! I’m not a complainer just telling you what TV told me when we bought our 1st home there.

[gego3650]

Wow I totally disagree with you, do you happen to work for a roofing company?

You are correct. It is all about roofing fraud.By the way had 3 houses inspected all built in 04 and all have at least 5 yrs left

[itzfun]

Apex Roofing once again is going door to door to solicit for new roofs. I reported them to Sumter County sherrif's office once before. When I told them they were against Florida State Law for soliciting door to door for roofs and I was going to report them to the sherrif again, they said they were not against any law, and I was wasting my time calling the sherrif. Maybe I am wasting my time, but I called and reported them again.
This is why homeowner insurance has gone up.

I have had APEX ring my doorbell no less than a half a dozen times. Yes, that is why insurance is so high. It's a scam for the roofing company to say there's damage from a non-existent storm so ins. can pay for a new roof. Then of course, there's the ins. companies who say if the roof is too old they won't insure it. Why are roofs made to last 20 years, yet ins. doesn't let them get close to that old before they won't insure? They get us coming and going. IMHO!

[Bjeanj]

Thinking about what the procedure is to get a new roof covered by insurance. Is it granted without the insurance company's inspection?

Our roof was damaged by Irma (really!) and the roofer coordinated with the insurance company adjuster. Of course, one must have a covered cause of loss, first.

[montagnard1969]

If you make a chalk outline of a body at your front door and leave one of their brochures near the chalk outline with some catchup as a special effect, they most likely won't come back.

[Bogie Shooter]

If you make a chalk outline of a body at your front door and leave one of their brochures near the chalk outline with some catchup as a special effect, they most likely won't come back.

In case you wondered……

Definition of cat-chop
: a fig marigold (Mesembryanthemum felinum) having pointed teeth on the leaf margins

[Curtisbwp]

Insurance is not going up due to billions $ of losses caused by riots, vandalism ( in some states it is not an arrestable offense to steal $995.00 from a store) I'm sure it is going up by the 7 to 12 thousand $ for a roof. Look beyond the villages.

[bobchap]

In July of 2021 the governor signed a bill that says it is illegal for roofing companies to go door to door. Unless something has changed. Check this link:

New Laws in Florida Affect Roofing and Insurance Claims (https://www.centralhomesroofing.com/new-laws-in-florida-affect-roofing-and-insurance-claims/)

[EdFNJ]

In July of 2021 the governor signed a bill that says it is illegal for roofing companies to go door to door. Unless something has changed. Check this link:

New Laws in Florida Affect Roofing and Insurance Claims (https://www.centralhomesroofing.com/new-laws-in-florida-affect-roofing-and-insurance-claims/) That law states "Roofers aren’t allowed to solicit business by going door-to-door." I's very easy for them to get around the "solicit business" part which is why all they do is want to give you a "free roof inspection." If they "find" a damaged roof during the "free inspection" it is no longer soliciting business. You can be sure they got it all figured out.

[bimmertl]

In July of 2021 the governor signed a bill that says it is illegal for roofing companies to go door to door. Unless something has changed. Check this link:

New Laws in Florida Affect Roofing and Insurance Claims (https://www.centralhomesroofing.com/new-laws-in-florida-affect-roofing-and-insurance-claims/)

Law was blocked by a judge the same month it went into effect.


Federal Judge Halts Part of Florida’s New Property Insurance Reform Law (https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southeast/2021/07/12/622173.htm)

[fdpaq0580]

If you make a chalk outline of a body at your front door and leave one of their brochures near the chalk outline with some catchup as a special effect, they most likely won't come back.

I like your style.
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