Walking on the Correct Side of the Pedestrian Path

[jenniferthomas]

Please do not expect pedestrians walking on the correct side of the pedestrian path (facing bicycles and golf carts) to walk around you if you are walking on the incorrect side of the path (walking with your back to bicycles and golf carts). It is not worth the risk of being struck by a bicycle or golf cart (that we cannot see) just to appease you.

Welcome
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Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us)
316.130
Number 4 states:
“Where sidewalks are not provided any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the LEFT side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian direction of travel facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction”.

[EdFNJ]

Agreed but unfortunately those rules/laws wouldn't apply to the MMP's as they aren't public roadways covered under those laws. If you are from the UK it seems you sometimes get confused. :) We see that just about every morning and that is what some guy actually told us.

[Two Bills]

Agreed but unfortunately those rules/laws wouldn't apply to the MMP's as they aren't public roadways covered under those laws. If you are from the UK it seems you sometimes get confused. :) We see that just about every morning and that is what some guy actually told us.

Why would anyone be confused about walking and facing the traffic flow other than ignorance, or foolhardiness?
It is pretty much the rule in most countries.

[golfing eagles]

Online Sunshine[/url]
316.130
Number 4 states:
“Where sidewalks are not provided any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the LEFT side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian direction of travel facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction”.

Agreed but unfortunately those rules/laws wouldn't apply to the MMP's as they aren't public roadways covered under those laws. If you are from the UK it seems you sometimes get confused. :) We see that just about every morning and that is what some guy actually told us.

But along those lines a pet peeve of mine: 316.130 sec 3 states that no pedestrian shall walk along any paved roadway when a sidewalk is readily available. So, MMP's are not covered, but "jumping" off the sidewalk into the road is ILLEGAL and can be CITED by LEO. That means you DO NOT GET TO JUMP IN FRONT of a 600 lb. golf cart going 20, nor a 5,000 lb. SUV going 30+ because you are deathly afraid of getting COVID from passing withing 6 feet of another for 1/2 of a second.

[DAVES]

Agreed but unfortunately those rules/laws wouldn't apply to the MMP's as they aren't public roadways covered under those laws. If you are from the UK it seems you sometimes get confused. :) We see that just about every morning and that is what some guy actually told us.

Teasing BUT, as far as the UK, of course they are confused. They drive on the left side of the road and think that is right. They invented the inch, the foot and the yard. They went metric and left us holding the foot. Heck I had a British car and you needed three sets of tools to work on it whitworth, metric and sae. You had to work on it. I brought it into a repair shop and the mechanic when he saw what it was, refused to work on it.

[DAVES]

Please do not expect pedestrians walking on the correct side of the pedestrian path (facing bicycles and golf carts) to walk around you if you are walking on the incorrect side of the path (walking with your back to bicycles and golf carts). It is not worth the risk of being struck by a bicycle or golf cart (that we cannot see) just to appease you.

Welcome
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us)
316.130
Number 4 states:
“Where sidewalks are not provided any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the LEFT side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian direction of travel facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction”.

What is the goal of this post? The goal should be safety.

[golfing eagles]

What is the goal of this post? The goal should be safety.

I think the goal of the OP was to inform pedestrians which side of the MMP (or sidewalk) they should be on. Probably driven by a number of episodes when they were walking directly at other pedestrians while there were carts and bikes on the path. Kind of a slow walk game of chicken:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Two Bills]

But along those lines a pet peeve of mine: 316.130 sec 3 states that no pedestrian shall walk along any paved roadway when a sidewalk is readily available. So, MMP's are not covered, but "jumping" off the sidewalk into the road is ILLEGAL and can be CITED by LEO. That means you DO NOT GET TO JUMP IN FRONT of a 600 lb. golf cart going 20, nor a 5,000 lb. SUV going 30+ because you are deathly afraid of getting COVID from passing withing 6 feet of another for 1/2 of a second.

Similar. I once asked a walker why he walked in road as apposed to the side walk, and I was told the road was softer!:shrug:

[golfing eagles]

Similar. I once asked a walker why he walked in road as apposed to the side walk, and I was told the road was softer!:shrug:

Brilliant---another Darwin Award winner!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I'm still amazed that there are any people out there that still jump off the sidewalk to avoid passing within 6 feet of another. I would have thought that by now they all would have either been killed by a motor vehicle (a form of social Darwinism) or have educated themselves enough to realize you can't get COVID in that manner.

[Calisport]

We all love the morning walkers in St. Catherine's area walking 3 across and over the halfway point on the golf cart multiuse trails.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Similar. I once asked a walker why he walked in road as apposed to the side walk, and I was told the road was softer!:shrug:
I know Golfing Eagles found this humorous and worthy of Darwinism, but the truth is known in long distance runner or walker circles.

Years of the cumulative impact motion on the joints from walking and running exercise take their toll on joints, meniscus, tendons, and the rest of the muscular exoskeleton. The cumulative impact is mitigated by asphalt (road) versus concrete (sidewalk). An exception to this would be some of the UK roads where they use the rock that we use to surround railroad tracks. The rock is leveled but floated to the surface, so in effect you are running more on granite than on asphalt in Dublin.

Long term and long distance exercises are better served by exercising on the "softer" asphalt over time. Dirt is better, but the inherent unevenness and pebbly protrusions can negatively impact one's ankles, knees, toes, etc.

So yes, the walker is better off on the softer road than the harder concrete. A short and occasional walk to Publix will probably have no quantifiable difference, but if you regularly run or walk 25-50 miles per week, then yes, there would be a difference worth pursuing.

FWIW.

[andercat]

When walking on a road or path that has motorized vehicles, pedestrians should walk on the left side of the road facing traffic. That way the pedestrian can see carts and cars approaching and can jump out of the way if need be. I assumed that this would apply to the bike and pedestrian paths as well. I found myself in the minority when walking on the pedestrian paths and even had one woman yell at me that I was walking the on the wrong side of the path. Well, that bothered me, so I went home and searched the internet to see if I could find out what the correct side of the path to walk on. To my surprise, almost all of the articles I could find said that on pedestrian paths walkers and bikes should walk/ride on the right side of the road. This allows the faster bikes or walkers to pass on your left. So there are different rules for paths or roads with motorized vehicles and those with nonmotorized vehicles. Live and learn

[jdulej]

Similar. I once asked a walker why he walked in road as apposed to the side walk, and I was told the road was softer!:shrug:

As an ex avid runner (before arthritis) I can confirm what he said. Running on a cement sidewalk and then stepping off onto an asphalt road was a little bit of heaven to my feet.

[Two Bills]

I know Golfing Eagles found this humorous and worthy of Darwinism, but the truth is known in long distance runner or walker circles.

Years of the cumulative impact motion on the joints from walking and running exercise take their toll on joints, meniscus, tendons, and the rest of the muscular exoskeleton. The cumulative impact is mitigated by asphalt (road) versus concrete (sidewalk). An exception to this would be some of the UK roads where they use the rock that we use to surround railroad tracks. The rock is leveled but floated to the surface, so in effect you are running more on granite than on asphalt in Dublin.

Long term and long distance exercises are better served by exercising on the "softer" asphalt over time. Dirt is better, but the inherent unevenness and pebbly protrusions can negatively impact one's ankles, knees, toes, etc.

So yes, the walker is better off on the softer road than the harder concrete. A short and occasional walk to Publix will probably have no quantifiable difference, but if you regularly run or walk 25-50 miles per week, then yes, there would be a difference worth pursuing.

FWIW.

As an ex avid runner (before arthritis) I can confirm what he said. Running on a cement sidewalk and then stepping off onto an asphalt road was a little bit of heaven to my feet.

I stand corrected.
I always thought it was cheap running shoes caused the damage to joints.
I will walk in the road in future!

[Bogie Shooter]

Second grade in school........boys & girls always walk facing traffic.

[golfing eagles]

I know Golfing Eagles found this humorous and worthy of Darwinism, but the truth is known in long distance runner or walker circles.

Years of the cumulative impact motion on the joints from walking and running exercise take their toll on joints, meniscus, tendons, and the rest of the muscular exoskeleton. The cumulative impact is mitigated by asphalt (road) versus concrete (sidewalk). An exception to this would be some of the UK roads where they use the rock that we use to surround railroad tracks. The rock is leveled but floated to the surface, so in effect you are running more on granite than on asphalt in Dublin.

Long term and long distance exercises are better served by exercising on the "softer" asphalt over time. Dirt is better, but the inherent unevenness and pebbly protrusions can negatively impact one's ankles, knees, toes, etc.

So yes, the walker is better off on the softer road than the harder concrete. A short and occasional walk to Publix will probably have no quantifiable difference, but if you regularly run or walk 25-50 miles per week, then yes, there would be a difference worth pursuing.

FWIW.

Actually, I agree with you-----for those that walk the 25-50 miles you described. I was poking fun at the casual walker, who probably has no idea that the asphalt is softer, and is jumping out there to avoid a virus. HOWEVER, either way, it is STILL against the law

[EdFNJ]

Similar. I once asked a walker why he walked in road as apposed to the side walk, and I was told the road was softer!:shrug: Actually it is true. Tar/paved asphalt type roads are much softer therefore less impact than concrete and much easier on the feet or knees for those who run or walk long distances. When I used to run, other than a synthetic material track my choice would be asphalt. Lots of articles about that.

[EdFNJ]

Brilliant---another Darwin Award winner!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I'm still amazed that there are any people out there that still jump off the sidewalk to avoid passing within 6 feet of another. I would have thought that by now they all would have either been killed by a motor vehicle (a form of social Darwinism) or have educated themselves enough to realize you can't get COVID in that manner. Always the brilliant answer. :ohdear: You need to reread your Darwin medical papers on low impact surfaces for running and walking. So what kind of doctor do you claim to be? Definitely not a sports doc. :1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

[jdulej]

I stand corrected.
I always thought it was cheap running shoes caused the damage to joints.
I will walk in the road in future!

If you run on the road, facing traffic, and you are paying attention, generally you have time to get out of the way if needed. Also, don't run using the heel-strike method (where you land on your heel). Run on the front of your feet and let your ankle (which is a lever) deal with the shock, instead of your joints getting the shock. Unfortunately, this technique come into favor too late for me - the damage was done - with very expensive shoes no less!

[DAVES]

When walking on a road or path that has motorized vehicles, pedestrians should walk on the left side of the road facing traffic. That way the pedestrian can see carts and cars approaching and can jump out of the way if need be. I assumed that this would apply to the bike and pedestrian paths as well. I found myself in the minority when walking on the pedestrian paths and even had one woman yell at me that I was walking the on the wrong side of the path. Well, that bothered me, so I went home and searched the internet to see if I could find out what the correct side of the path to walk on. To my surprise, almost all of the articles I could find said that on pedestrian paths walkers and bikes should walk/ride on the right side of the road. This allows the faster bikes or walkers to pass on your left. So there are different rules for paths or roads with motorized vehicles and those with nonmotorized vehicles. Live and learn

I find that people who know the rules are rare. People who follow the rules are rarer still. People who yell at me, I am selectively deaf. My mother was a yeller, all I hear is NOISE.

Live and learn? It is truly simple. If, you are walking or riding a bike BRIGHT COLORS make you more visible. Walking through the tunnels or riding a bike through them is a bit NUTS. There is no room for a golf cart to miss you. A walker hit by a bike, a golf cart, or a car is going to get the worst of it as is a bike or a golf cart hit by a car.

Bikes and golf carts go with traffic and walkers go against traffic so they can see what is coming. The term SHARE THE ROAD does apply. Two walking side by side is not sharing the road. For too many they add a dog on a six foot leash.

The term ACCIDENT is simply wrong. Almost all ACCIDENTS can be avoided. Thus what we term an accident is a DUMB action by one or all involved AND PEOPLE CAN AND DO GE INJURED AND OR KILLED.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If you have to walk on the road because there are no sidewalks, then definitely walk against traffic.

However, an MMP is neither a road nor a sidewalk. The "MM" part stands for Multi Modal. Foot traffic is included in that. Pedestrians have the right to walk freely on the MMP, "as though" it were a sidewalk. That means they would normally walk on the right of the MMP, not the left.

[dewilson58]

That means they would normally walk on the right of the MMP, not the left.

Capital B for Bonehead walking.

If you have no concern about your personal safety...............follow the above "logic".

:BigApplause:

[EdFNJ]

If you have to walk on the road because there are no sidewalks, then definitely walk against traffic.

However, an MMP is neither a road nor a sidewalk. The "MM" part stands for Multi Modal. Foot traffic is included in that. Pedestrians have the right to walk freely on the MMP, "as though" it were a sidewalk. That means they would normally walk on the right of the MMP, not the left. RE: MMP. You are right, they "legally could" without risking the Wrath of Florida Law but still shouldn't as it could be disastrous and is dumb. :)

[dewilson58]

As an ex avid runner (before arthritis) I can confirm what he said. Running on a cement sidewalk and then stepping off onto an asphalt road was a little bit of heaven to my feet.

IF focusing on hard vs. soft, you should have been running on the grass.

[golfing eagles]

Always the brilliant answer. :ohdear: You need to reread your Darwin medical papers on low impact surfaces for running and walking. So what kind of doctor do you claim to be? Definitely not a sports doc. :1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Thank you. As you can imagine, my professional ego is irreparably damaged by your inciteful comments. NOT!!! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[jdulej]

IF focusing on hard vs. soft, you should have been running on the grass.

With grass you likely swing to far into the comfort zone vs resistance. Your feet may benefit but the added effort to run through grass may not be worth it. While you are running these decisions are what keep you occupied.

[Davonu]

…However, an MMP is neither a road nor a sidewalk. The "MM" part stands for Multi Modal. Foot traffic is included in that. Pedestrians have the right to walk freely on the MMP, "as though" it were a sidewalk. That means they would normally walk on the right of the MMP, not the left.
As others have stated…way off the mark. As the vast majority of safety conscious walkers will tell you, “normal” walking on the MMP is into the traffic.

[MX rider]

Actually it is true. Tar/paved asphalt type roads are much softer therefore less impact than concrete and much easier on the feet or knees for those who run or walk long distances. When I used to run, other than a synthetic material track my choice would be asphalt. Lots of articles about that.

Agree 100%. I've been running for 40 plus years. I always run against any kind of traffic. We'll be spending winter in the Villages when we retire soon. I plan on continuing that practice on the MM paths as well.

And yes, running on asphalt is softer than concrete. Believe it or not. You can feel it when you run. This has been known to runners for many years.

[Bridget Staunton]

My hubby walks on the asphalt golf cart path, when possible, the cement is too hard even in the garage his hip hurts from standing/working from cement

[Carlsondm]

But along those lines a pet peeve of mine: 316.130 sec 3 states that no pedestrian shall walk along any paved roadway when a sidewalk is readily available. So, MMP's are not covered, but "jumping" off the sidewalk into the road is ILLEGAL and can be CITED by LEO. That means you DO NOT GET TO JUMP IN FRONT of a 600 lb. golf cart going 20, nor a 5,000 lb. SUV going 30+ because you are deathly afraid of getting COVID from passing withing 6 feet of another for 1/2 of a second.
I jump off the sidewalk to avoid the bug swarms or nearby snakes or if the sidewalk is not on the side of the road to make my next turn. I also distance run/walk with my Garmin and use the road or shoulder when possible to keep my joint cushions. Runners/ race walkers usually weigh the alternatives and choose the safest option. I am interested in how these ‘walking rules’ are enforced.

[golfing eagles]

I jump off the sidewalk to avoid the bug swarms or nearby snakes or if the sidewalk is not on the side of the road to make my next turn. I also distance run/walk with my Garmin and use the road or shoulder when possible to keep my joint cushions. Runners/ race walkers usually weigh the alternatives and choose the safest option. I am interested in how these ‘walking rules’ are enforced.

Probably randomly, rarely, and perhaps not at all (until a tragic accident occurs). Does that mean every citizen has the right to intentionally violate any law that they don't like just because it is unlikely to be enforced????? Does that mean a "runner/race walker" gets to "weigh" the alternative of abiding by the law vs. softer asphalt??????

The actual statute states "(3) Where sidewalks are provided, no pedestrian shall, unless required by other circumstances, walk along and upon the portion of a roadway paved for vehicular traffic." A venomous snake, or a snake of unknown danger might qualify as "other circumstances", as might a swarm of stinging/biting insects. I doubt "softer asphalt" or covidnoia would.

[dewilson58]

With grass you likely swing to far into the comfort zone vs resistance. Your feet may benefit but the added effort to run through grass may not be worth it. While you are running these decisions are what keep you occupied.

It's like running on a cloud of Jell-O.

Yes, harder workout.........jus like running on the beach.

:MOJE_whot:

[ChicagoNative]

I think it’d be nice if walkers and cyclists would move out of the way when carts approach. Most do, but there are a significant number of walkers/cyclists who act like they are almost daring carts to hit them.

[Happydaz]

I think it’d be nice if walkers and cyclists would move out of the way when carts approach. Most do, but there are a significant number of walkers/cyclists who act like they are almost daring carts to hit them.

I think it’d be nice if all golf cart drivers would slow down when coming upon cyclists and walkers. Slow down, then pass safely, not on a blind curve. Most golf carters I see on multi modal paths are very considerate and do all of that. Some, unfortunately, drive too fast, too close, and put the safety of walkers and cyclists in jeopardy by passing on blind curves. This is a retirement community, slow down. If you want to drive your cart at a constant 25 mph then petition the officials to turn the multimodal paths into golf cart only highways.

[MrFlorida]

I want to see the golf cart that is going to run me over......

[Bilyclub]

I get the whole asphalt is softer than cement thing, but runners and walkers do not belong in the marked cart lanes in the roadway if there is a sidewalk. You see this all the time on Pinellas Place.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I think it’d be nice if all golf cart drivers would slow down when coming upon cyclists and walkers. Slow down, then pass safely, not on a blind curve. Most golf carters I see on multi modal paths are very considerate and do all of that. Some, unfortunately, drive too fast, too close, and put the safety of walkers and cyclists in jeopardy by passing on blind curves. This is a retirement community, slow down. If you want to drive your cart at a constant 25 mph then petition the officials to turn the multimodal paths into golf cart only highways.

I've found most cyclists will move as far to the right as they can and slow down when they see a couple of golf carts lining up behind them trying to pass. I think that's great, and appreciate it as a golf cart driver.

I try to do the same, when I'm riding my bicycle.

There are, however, cyclists who refuse to do that, who will maintain their 10-12 mph speed, take up the entire half of the MMP, and not even try to move over. If they heading to the same location, it can mean that you're late for your doctor's appointment on the other side of the Villages, even if you set out with plenty of time for occasional hiccups along the way.

Then there is the odd cyclist, the one who wants to "make a statement" who will go at a nice slow pace, UNTIL they see you trying to pass them. Then, they'll speed up - meaning you need much more length of travel to successfully pass them if you're only going 4mph faster as opposed to the 9mph faster that you WERE doing, before they sped up. That's rare, but it does happen.

Then there's the odd golf cart driver who will tailgate a cyclist, lean on their horn, and when passing, drive as closely to that bike as they possibly can to intimidate them. That's also rare, but it does happen.

[Wyseguy]

Teasing BUT, as far as the UK, of course they are confused. They drive on the left side of the road and think that is right. They invented the inch, the foot and the yard. They went metric and left us holding the foot. Heck I had a British car and you needed three sets of tools to work on it whitworth, metric and sae. You had to work on it. I brought it into a repair shop and the mechanic when he saw what it was, refused to work on it.

Had the same experience (though the specific auto I am thinking of was from N. Ireland). I took my cars to Fred Opert racing for repairs. They didn't want to lose my business re the other cars, but for this one from N Ireland they charged 25.00 above the posted hourly rate. The mechanic would show me his wounds from carrying out simple tasks on a poorly designed auto.

[nhtexasrn]

Stand your ground no matter what! You're right and they're wrong so let them get hit!! That'll show em!!

[MaryShields]

I know Golfing Eagles found this humorous and worthy of Darwinism, but the truth is known in long distance runner or walker circles.

Years of the cumulative impact motion on the joints from walking and running exercise take their toll on joints, meniscus, tendons, and the rest of the muscular exoskeleton. The cumulative impact is mitigated by asphalt (road) versus concrete (sidewalk). An exception to this would be some of the UK roads where they use the rock that we use to surround railroad tracks. The rock is leveled but floated to the surface, so in effect you are running more on granite than on asphalt in Dublin.

Long term and long distance exercises are better served by exercising on the "softer" asphalt over time. Dirt is better, but the inherent unevenness and pebbly protrusions can negatively impact one's ankles, knees, toes, etc.

So yes, the walker is better off on the softer road than the harder concrete. A short and occasional walk to Publix will probably have no quantifiable difference, but if you regularly run or walk 25-50 miles per week, then yes, there would be a difference worth pursuing.

FWIW.
Absolutely correct. I have run multiple marathons (now have a knee replacement:) and we always avoided sidewalks. Asphalt/dirt were much easier on the joints.

[EdFNJ]

IF focusing on hard vs. soft, you should have been running on the grass. Now THAT is funny. (Although I didn't see Doc's overused emoji obviously you were joking .... I hope).

Wait! Here: :1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

[Topspinmo]

Please do not expect pedestrians walking on the correct side of the pedestrian path (facing bicycles and golf carts) to walk around you if you are walking on the incorrect side of the path (walking with your back to bicycles and golf carts). It is not worth the risk of being struck by a bicycle or golf cart (that we cannot see) just to appease you.

Welcome
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us)
316.130
Number 4 states:
“Where sidewalks are not provided any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the LEFT side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian direction of travel facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction”.

And IMO When more than one single file when traffic present. Walking two or more abreast not sharing the path or diamond lane it hogging it when traffic coming and has to stop cause of special walker’s. :welcome:

[Topspinmo]

Stand your ground no matter what! You're right and they're wrong so let them get hit!! That'll show em!!

Don’t you mean stand you ground hoping to get hit so you can call Morgan and Morgan. :)

[EdFNJ]

I get the whole asphalt is softer than cement thing, but runners and walkers do not belong in the marked cart lanes in the roadway if there is a sidewalk. You see this all the time on Pinellas Place. While legally you are 100% correct on any diamond lane where there is a sidewalk (while I don't run/walk on Pinellas) I'd take my chances with the cops vs. protecting my old bones. Also it's an obstacle course trying to run around the slow walkers & dogs in baby carriages on the sidewalks and chancing falling stepping off/on the curb to go around them.

[dewilson58]

Now THAT is funny. (Although I didn't see Doc's overused emoji obviously you were joking .... I hope).

Wait! Here: :1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

I vote we get a Sheldon emoji.


Actually, a sarcasm on this site would help many readers.

[Topspinmo]

I jump off the sidewalk to avoid the bug swarms or nearby snakes or if the sidewalk is not on the side of the road to make my next turn. I also distance run/walk with my Garmin and use the road or shoulder when possible to keep my joint cushions. Runners/ race walkers usually weigh the alternatives and choose the safest option. I am interested in how these ‘walking rules’ are enforced.

Like all rules, laws, and regulations are recommendations unless LEO present with regulations and laws. Rules are well if I want to or not.:icon_wink:

[donassaid]

The problem when trying to decide which side of a MMP to walk on is that you should ALWAYS walk on the outside of a curve in the path because many of the curves are hidden by bushes and plants. Pedestrians should always walk on the sidewalk and not in the road. So sick of those who walk Southbound on Canal St. in the early morning, walking in the street expecting golf carts to slow, stop or go around them even when there is car traffic.

[GypsyRN]

Agreed but unfortunately those rules/laws wouldn't apply to the MMP's as they aren't public roadways covered under those laws. If you are from the UK it seems you sometimes get confused. :) We see that just about every morning and that is what some guy actually told us.

What??? It's basic common sense, but ALAS that is so much lacking in TV.
:MOJE_whot:

[fdpaq0580]

IF focusing on hard vs. soft, you should have been running on the grass.

Hey! You damn kids get off my lawn!
😂😂😂

[Tbrazie]

see above.

[EdFNJ]

Sorry about your joints but walking in the road is illegal if there is a sidwalk Absolutely correct, and I'd bet there are dozens of things you, me and many others do that are just as high on the "illegal priority list" as walking on the street. Ever drive your car over the speedlimit (c'mon be honest now)? Ever drive your golf cart over 20MPH? Ever watch a video you didn't legally obtain? Ever JAYWALK ? Ever take a pencil home from where you work? Ever forget to signal on a turn? Ever carry a sharpie marker while you are out of your home? (illegal in Florida). Ever litter either accidentally or on purpose? All just as high up on the "illegal priority list" as walking in the street. Sometimes the lawbreaking is just worth the jail time !

I guess we're all lawbreakers at one time or another in our lives. Doesn't make it legally right but still....... :D

[Sandy and Ed]

Why would anyone be confused about walking and facing the traffic flow other than ignorance, or foolhardiness?
It is pretty much the rule in most countries.
It’s logical!!!!! Face the traffic so you don’t accidentally weave into the, otherwise unseen traffic behind you! I wanna see what’s coming folks!

[Michread]

When I am a bicycling, I take up my whole lane when I think it’s too dangerous for a golf car to pass me.

Too many times the golf cart tries to pass my bike when it’s way too dangerous! SLOW down and wait! Otherwise take your car, please.

It’s a MMP NOT a golf cart path. What gives golf carts the right of way? Just because they can go faster doesn’t means golf carts have the right of way.

[jdulej]

It’s logical!!!!! Face the traffic so you don’t accidentally weave into the, otherwise unseen traffic behind you! I wanna see what’s coming folks!

This was mentioned in an earlier post, but I'll repeat it here anyway - there are many sharp MMP turns where the landscaping is such that you simply cannot see what might be coming at you, and whatever might be coming at you cannot see you. On top of that, the plantings are right up to the edge of the pavement, making diving out of the way difficult. An example: the MMP heading to Brownwood, just after crossing Hillsborough. The path makes a hard right followed by a hard left. If you are walking on the left (against the traffic) at that hard left and a cart meets you at that turn, you are going to lose badly.
My point? The safest side to walk on is not always as obvious as it seems.

[golfing eagles]

Absolutely correct, and I'd bet there are dozens of things you, me and many others do that are just as high on the "illegal priority list" as walking on the street. Ever drive your car over the speedlimit (c'mon be honest now)? Ever drive your golf cart over 20MPH? Ever watch a video you didn't legally obtain? Ever JAYWALK ? Ever take a pencil home from where you work? Ever forget to signal on a turn? Ever carry a sharpie marker while you are out of your home? (illegal in Florida). Ever litter either accidentally or on purpose? All just as high up on the "illegal priority list" as walking in the street. Sometimes the lawbreaking is just worth the jail time !

I guess we're all lawbreakers at one time or another in our lives. Doesn't make it legally right but still....... :D

All true. However, you are highly unlikely to get hit by a 600 pound cart or a 5,000 pound SUV because you are in a space from which the LAW prohibits you when you take a pencil home.

[EdFNJ]

All true. However, you are highly unlikely to get hit by a 600 pound cart or a 5,000 pound SUV because you are in a space from which the LAW prohibits you when you take a pencil home. Well, due to the fact we demand freeeeeeeeeeedom from the tyranny that controls our own health and well being with silly rules that would be the runners/walkers choice if violating the "walking on the street when there is a sidewalk nearby" laws would lead to their own death or dismemberment. Sure, it's also selfish not caring how one's breaking the "walking on the street when there is a sidewalk nearby" law might affect the cart driver trying to avoid hitting you and getting killed in a flip over accident but why should that matter since all that matters is letting people do what they want that would affect their own bodies without regard for the life and safety of others driving golf carts. :) ;)

[tophcfa]

I know Golfing Eagles found this humorous and worthy of Darwinism, but the truth is known in long distance runner or walker circles.

Years of the cumulative impact motion on the joints from walking and running exercise take their toll on joints, meniscus, tendons, and the rest of the muscular exoskeleton. The cumulative impact is mitigated by asphalt (road) versus concrete (sidewalk). An exception to this would be some of the UK roads where they use the rock that we use to surround railroad tracks. The rock is leveled but floated to the surface, so in effect you are running more on granite than on asphalt in Dublin.

Long term and long distance exercises are better served by exercising on the "softer" asphalt over time. Dirt is better, but the inherent unevenness and pebbly protrusions can negatively impact one's ankles, knees, toes, etc.

So yes, the walker is better off on the softer road than the harder concrete. A short and occasional walk to Publix will probably have no quantifiable difference, but if you regularly run or walk 25-50 miles per week, then yes, there would be a difference worth pursuing.

FWIW.

Running and walking is child’s play. Try many many years of skiing moguls, often frozen icy moguls in Vermont. Talk about a way to trash a set of knees! The right one was replaced almost 11 years ago and the left one is bone on bone and desperately needs to be replaced. Boy, all those years of banging the bumps sure was fun, but if I knew then what I know now, I might have skied an occasional groomed trail : ( Thats why I swim laps now, best way to get a great exercise without the knees bearing any weight.

[tophcfa]

When I am a bicycling, I take up my whole lane when I think it’s too dangerous for a golf car to pass me.

Too many times the golf cart tries to pass my bike when it’s way too dangerous! SLOW down and wait! Otherwise take your car, please.

It’s a MMP NOT a golf cart path. What gives golf carts the right of way? Just because they can go faster doesn’t means golf carts have the right of way.

But I had the right of way, he said from the hospital bed. Be smart and defer to the law of physics. A 600 pound golf cart going 20 MPH versus a bicycle? If I was riding the bike, I wouldn’t be playing chicken with the the golf cart!

[mlmarr1]

:clap2::clap2::clap2:But along those lines a pet peeve of mine: 316.130 sec 3 states that no pedestrian shall walk along any paved roadway when a sidewalk is readily available. So, MMP's are not covered, but "jumping" off the sidewalk into the road is ILLEGAL and can be CITED by LEO. That means you DO NOT GET TO JUMP IN FRONT of a 600 lb. golf cart going 20, nor a 5,000 lb. SUV going 30+ because you are deathly afraid of getting COVID from passing withing 6 feet of another for 1/2 of a second.

[Happydaz]

But I had the right of way, he said from the hospital bed. Be smart and defer to the law of physics. A 600 pound golf cart going 20 MPH versus a bicycle? If I was riding the bike, I wouldn’t be playing chicken with the the golf cart!

The bigger vehicle rules, I guess. The walker should not play chicken with a bicyclist. The bicyclist should not play chicken with a golf cart. A golf cart should not play chicken with a car. A car should not play chicken with a truck. How people can drive a car on 441, 301, or I 75 with all the truck traffic is beyond me. They must have a death wish. Bottom line, we should all be careful to watch out for the slower, smaller vehicles and people. A little courtesy goes a long way. Do we really need to cut each other off just because we have a bigger vehicle? Can’t we just slow down? This is a retirement community isn’t it? I try to slow down for others, sometimes I miscalculate and have to catch myself before I jeopardize the safety of a golf carter, walker, or bicyclist and have to hit the brakes to slow down. The biggest vehicle shouldn’t bully smaller ones. Could you imagine what the roads would be like if professional truckers cut people off? Sure it can happen, but overall trucks treat the rest of us much better than we treat them.

[tmbozoki@gmail.com]

Why would anyone be confused about walking and facing the traffic flow other than ignorance, or foolhardiness?
It is pretty much the rule in most countries.
You obviously never been to England and took first step off of a curb to cross the street? If you did you wouldn't made your comment

[John Mayes]

You obviously never been to England and took first step off of a curb to cross the street? If you did you wouldn't made your comment

LOL!!! Can’t wait for the response to this post.

[gettingby]

This subject seems to come up often. When I walk I move over. Not a matter of who’s right and who’s wrong, it’s just being courteous. I smile, say hello and continue to be happy to be here. Some of you seem to want to make a point so much you let it upset your day. It’s not worth it. Who cares?

[tsmith167]

Walk on the left, ride on the right!

[Dee Smith]

Please please please beware of blind turns in the road. I have net several walkers in the middle of the road on blind turns when I have no where to drive my golf card due to vegetation.

[Chase219]

It's unbelievable how many people walk and jog on the golf cart roads especially under tunnels (Just an accident waiting to happen and when they see a golf cart coming, they don't even have the decency to move on the grass, as the golf cart paths are for two-way traffic Somebody will get seriously hit. Walkers and joggers Go to the parks and stay off the roads or walk on the turnpike or 301 the same thing You're in a road.



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316.130
Number 4 states:
“Where sidewalks are not provided any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the LEFT side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian direction of travel facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction”.[/QUOTE]

[Heytubes]

As a former LEO, occasionally a body would be found on the side of the road. The ME usually determined it was a pedestrian that was hit from behind. Usually a hit and run. Rarely have I ever heard of a pedestrian being hit head on. Nuff said.

[SIRE1]

It's unbelievable how many people walk and jog on the golf cart roads especially under tunnels (Just an accident waiting to happen and when they see a golf cart coming, they don't even have the decency to move on the grass, as the golf cart paths are for two-way traffic Somebody will get seriously hit. Walkers and joggers Go to the parks and stay off the roads or walk on the turnpike or 301 the same thing You're in a road.



Online Sunshine[/url]
316.130
Number 4 states:
“Where sidewalks are not provided any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the LEFT side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian direction of travel facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction”.[/QUOTE]

I'm always amazed at how many of our Villagers do not know that they are NOT "golf cart roads" or even "golf cart paths". They are "Multi Modal" and that means that you can use them if you are "walking", "running", "roller blading", "riding a bike", and yes, even driving a "golf cart". So be prepared to encounter any of these forms of activity on the paths through out our community. They all have the same right to be there as you do.

[Unclestony]

I have some advice about walking on the MMPs: left is fine but I walk on the side that makes sense to me at the moment. There are a few blind turns, (I seem them often on Buena Vista). I just know that there is a deal lady, dutifully walking on the left side behind the blind turn. My job is to slow down and avoid hitting her with my cart. I DO this, but I am sure that not everyone does. Additionally, there are many areas in the divided sections where there are not any good places for a pedestrian to step off. Sometimes it's just better to be on the right, ya know.

[chrisinva]

Please do not expect pedestrians….
Please do not expect golf cart drivers…
Please do not expect cyclists…
Please do not expect dog walkers…
Please do not expect anybody...

To do anything according to anybody’s or any municipality’s rules/laws/ordinances.

DO EXPECT … unexpected and uninformed behaviors.

SO...Be careful, be prepared. Think ahead. Please be civil & courteous.

Thank you & Merry Christmas

[Bilyclub]

I'm always amazed at how many of our Villagers do not know that they are NOT "golf cart roads" or even "golf cart paths". They are "Multi Modal" and that means that you can use them if you are "walking", "running", "roller blading", "riding a bike", and yes, even driving a "golf cart". So be prepared to encounter any of these forms of activity on the paths through out our community. They all have the same right to be there as you do.[/QUOTE]

And there are golf cart lanes on the sides of the roads designated by a solid white line and diamonds painted on the surface. I do not expect pedestrians in the roadway running and walking when a perfectly good sidewalk is next to the roadway. These pedestrians are breaking the law and have no right to be there.

[ex34449]

A first world problem if there ever was one. I walk on either and ride my bike on the roadway or sidewalk depending on the situation. No one on the sidewalk for as far as they eye can see, I'll be on it.
Really no big deal, surely not something to get wadded up about IMO.

[rogerk]

The discussion is not about law or code enforcement, it is about common sense, courtesy and personal safety.

[Number 10 GI]

When I am a bicycling, I take up my whole lane when I think it’s too dangerous for a golf car to pass me.

Too many times the golf cart tries to pass my bike when it’s way too dangerous! SLOW down and wait! Otherwise take your car, please.

It’s a MMP NOT a golf cart path. What gives golf carts the right of way? Just because they can go faster doesn’t means golf carts have the right of way.

What gives golf carts the right of way? Lets see, 150 lb person vs a 900 lb golf cart which is about 750 lbs of right of way. It will look real good on your tombstone, "What gives golf carts the right of way?" Like the old saying "Don't take a knife to a gun fight".

[Bogie Shooter]

What gives golf carts the right of way? Lets see, 150 lb person vs a 900 lb golf cart which is about 750 lbs of right of way. It will look real good on your tombstone, "What gives golf carts the right of way?" Like the old saying "Don't take a knife to a gun fight".

Really?

[Number 10 GI]

Really?

Yes, really! I think most people know that a cart doesn't have the right of way on the paths. However, I'm smart enough to know that I need to place myself in a position of safety to avoid tangling with a bicycle or a cart regardless of who is in the right. If you are dead does being right matter?

[Pairadocs]

Agreed but unfortunately those rules/laws wouldn't apply to the MMP's as they aren't public roadways covered under those laws. If you are from the UK it seems you sometimes get confused. :) We see that just about every morning and that is what some guy actually told us.

Exactly ! Unfortunately a great many do not realize those things in this community which operate completely differently than the "laws" as applied to other forms of civil/community organization; we have no mayor, elect no city council, and not all "laws" apply as written for other cities and town in Florida; it's a very confusing situation for many/most who are used to more traditional city/town formats. Just one week ago a man took the time to turn around his golf cart, and come some distance BACK from the direction he was going, to inform me I had "no G.D. business" walking on the MMP, which according to him is for GOLF CARTS ONLY. I smiled and kept walking, wondered IF my husband was walking with me he'd have taken the time to cuss me out as he did ? Hum ? ?

[MX rider]

Exactly ! Unfortunately a great many do not realize those things in this community which operate completely differently than the "laws" as applied to other forms of civil/community organization; we have no mayor, elect no city council, and not all "laws" apply as written for other cities and town in Florida; it's a very confusing situation for many/most who are used to more traditional city/town formats. Just one week ago a man took the time to turn around his golf cart, and come some distance BACK from the direction he was going, to inform me I had "no G.D. business" walking on the MMP, which according to him is for GOLF CARTS ONLY. I smiled and kept walking, wondered IF my husband was walking with me he'd have taken the time to cuss me out as he did ? Hum ? ?

Good for you taking the high ground there. As longtime runner I plan on using those paths when I go running during our visit. I would have told him to f**k off. lol . But then again, he probably wouldn't say that to a guy. That dude's a tool!

[VApeople]

As longtime runner I plan on using those paths when I go running during our visit.

Well, bless your heart, as we say in the South. If you survive your visit, please let us know.

My wife and I love to walk and ride our bikes, but we stay away from the dangerous MMPs. We drive to the Southern Area to use their walking/biking paths where no golf carts are allowed. The new walking path in Hawkins is our favorite, but the one in Bradford and St. Catherine is pretty darn good as well.

When they first built the beautiful walking path around Hogeye, several people would drive on it with their golf carts. Then The Villages put up VERY substantial barricades to keep the golf carts off, and now that walking path is much nicer.

[MX rider]

Well, bless your heart, as we say in the South. If you survive your visit, please let us know.

My wife and I love to walk and ride our bikes, but we stay away from the dangerous MMPs. We drive to the Southern Area to use their walking/biking paths where no golf carts are allowed. The new walking path in Hawkins is our favorite, but the one in Bradford and St. Catherine is pretty darn good as well.

When they first built the beautiful walking path around Hogeye, several people would drive on it with their golf carts. Then The Villages put up VERY substantial barricades to keep the golf carts off, and now that walking path is much nicer.

Thanks good to know. We will see. That's why we're doing the visit. I'm used to being alert as I run on county roads here.

[Two Bills]

You obviously never been to England and took first step off of a curb to cross the street? If you did you wouldn't made your comment

Wouldn't go near the place.
Country is a nightmare!:icon_wink:

[ThirdOfFive]

Good for you taking the high ground there. As longtime runner I plan on using those paths when I go running during our visit. I would have told him to f**k off. lol . But then again, he probably wouldn't say that to a guy. That dude's a tool!
You're apt to see anything on those paths. A few days back we saw a guy driving a cart at about 4 MPH--with one of those canes used by the blind strapped to the back of his cart! True story.

For myself I'll echo what other posters have said. I've never lost anything by being courteous. Whenever I encounter a cart when I'm walking I'll step off the path into the grass, smile and wave. It inevitably results in the smile and wave being reciprocated.. Sometimes I get a thumbs-up or other form of recognition that my courtesy was appreciated. However being courteous does NOT mean being a pushover. If I see someone endangering others by what they're doing I will let them know.

[Knighterrant]

When walking on a road or path that has motorized vehicles, pedestrians should walk on the left side of the road facing traffic. That way the pedestrian can see carts and cars approaching and can jump out of the way if need be. I assumed that this would apply to the bike and pedestrian paths as well. I found myself in the minority when walking on the pedestrian paths and even had one woman yell at me that I was walking the on the wrong side of the path. Well, that bothered me, so I went home and searched the internet to see if I could find out what the correct side of the path to walk on. To my surprise, almost all of the articles I could find said that on pedestrian paths walkers and bikes should walk/ride on the right side of the road. This allows the faster bikes or walkers to pass on your left. So there are different rules for paths or roads with motorized vehicles and those with nonmotorized vehicles. Live and learn
Walking on the left is the correct side for all paths. You still want to see bicycles approaching you for safety reasons. This practice started centuries ago so travelers could view the right side (or weapons side) of other travelers as they approached and passed by. There was a time when being left handed was considered evil - LOL. As a courtesy, travelers would raise their right hand to approaching travelers to demonstrate they had no weapon (the origin of waiving to people). Also passing travelers might grip each other’s right forearms while passing as a greeting and to demonstrate their sword / weapons arm was empty (the origin of the handshake). Lived and learned.

[davem4616]

Similar. I once asked a walker why he walked in road as apposed to the side walk, and I was told the road was softer!:shrug:


now there's a walker that must of been 'gellin'

[Bilyclub]

Well, bless your heart, as we say in the South. If you survive your visit, please let us know.

My wife and I love to walk and ride our bikes, but we stay away from the dangerous MMPs. We drive to the Southern Area to use their walking/biking paths where no golf carts are allowed. The new walking path in Hawkins is our favorite, but the one in Bradford and St. Catherine is pretty darn good as well.

When they first built the beautiful walking path around Hogeye, several people would drive on it with their golf carts. Then The Villages put up VERY substantial barricades to keep the golf carts off, and now that walking path is much nicer.


It seems the majority of the users are pedestrians on those paths like the Hogeye and there is no set rule on which side to use. Most people I've seen walk on the right side. I think the onus is on the bikes to ride responsibly.

[capecoralbill]

:clap2::clap2::clap2:


Golden eagle stated: MMP's are not sidewalks. There are almost no sidewalks in the villages, so Golden Eagles point is not universally applicable to the villages.
Bicycles and golf carts are not allowed on sidewalks, bicycles and golf carts are allowed on multi modal paths, therefore multi modal paths are not sidewalks. Thus, a pedestrian does not have to use an MMP, as some here are implying.

[dewilson58]

Golden eagle stated.

who?

[Bilyclub]

who?

This guy???

[coffeebean]

Similar. I once asked a walker why he walked in road as apposed to the side walk, and I was told the road was softer!:shrug:

Asphalt does seem "softer" than concrete.

[golfing eagles]

Asphalt does seem "softer" than concrete.

Apparently, it is, and serious joggers know it. However, that DOES NOT give them carte blanche to violate Florida statute 316.130 sec 3 just because asphalt is softer. What other laws would they like to violate because it is convenient??? Bikers already ignore most stop signs, maybe I'll do that in my car too, since just like they claim it is "inconvenient" to stop because of toe clips, it is inconvenient for me to stop because I have to move my foot 8 inches to the left (and press down). Maybe it's more convenient to drive at 100 mph on the Turnpike when meeting someone at the airport. It seems, for many, it is more convenient to walk their dog on their neighbors property, or the postal station, or the side of the boulevards----anywhere but their own property (oops, I've done it now:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:), And 1000 other examples.....OR.......

Perhaps everyone could obey THE LAW, as written, rather than dreaming up their own little excuses for NOT following it. Just a thought......

[Byte1]

Capital B for Bonehead walking.

If you have no concern about your personal safety...............follow the above "logic".

:BigApplause:

When it comes to a game of "Chicken" between a golf cart and a walker, I have found that for some reason the golf cart always wins.

[mtdjed]

I have some advice about walking on the MMPs: left is fine but I walk on the side that makes sense to me at the moment. There are a few blind turns, (I seem them often on Buena Vista). I just know that there is a deal lady, dutifully walking on the left side behind the blind turn. My job is to slow down and avoid hitting her with my cart. I DO this, but I am sure that not everyone does. Additionally, there are many areas in the divided sections where there are not any good places for a pedestrian to step off. Sometimes it's just better to be on the right, ya know.


Good advice, do what you think is best at the moment. Everyone is surely going to know exactly what you will do next.

When walking, I want to see what is coming at me, especially if it has wheels. If it doesn't want to yield to me, I am more than happy to yield to it.

[Topspinmo]

We all love the morning walkers in St. Catherine's area walking 3 across and over the halfway point on the golf cart multiuse trails.

Those types are NOT SHARING the MMP the are Hogging it.

[Topspinmo]

Waste of breath, Typing, and explaining. So people go though life without clue, I am amazed they lasted to resdh old age. :duck:

[triflex]

They are called Multi-Modal Paths (Carts, Bikes, Walkers, Runners, etc.). Golf carts are literally designed to actually go into the grass and go around them if the driver simply cannot slow down and make way.

All a cart owner has to do is turn the steering wheel to go around a walker on the MMP. And also remember that many walkers are concealed carry permit holders and that attempting to pressure and run someone over may lead to sudden and rapid life exit.

[MX rider]

They are called Multi-Modal Paths (Carts, Bikes, Walkers, Runners, etc.). Golf carts are literally designed to actually go into the grass and go around them if the driver simply cannot slow down and make way.



All a cart owner has to do is turn the steering wheel to go around a walker on the MMP. And also remember that many walkers are concealed carry permit holders and that attempting to pressure and run someone over may lead to sudden and rapid life exit.

I don't get that some don't understand the term Multi-modal, selfish a**holes I would guess.
As a longtime runner I'm used to being alert. I run county roads here in Southern Indiana with no sidewalks or shoulder. Most people are very courtious, just like there. But some are not. During our lifestyle visit a couple weeks ago I ran every day on the MMP near Brownwood without an issue. We bought a snowbird home in Amelia and I plan on doing the same when we get there.

That said, I will always run the sidewalk instead of a busy road for safety reasons, even though asphalt is easier on the legs. But I buy top quality running shoes, so that's not really an issue for me. I'd rather stay alive. lol

[VApeople]

I run county roads here in Southern Indiana with no sidewalks or shoulder. Most people are very courtious, just like there. But some are not.

What happens when one is not courteous?

Do they push you into a ditch? Or do you recognize them in advance so you can jump into the ditch yourself?

[Byte1]

It's a lot easier for a walker/jogger to step off the path than it is for a golfcart to swerve into traffic, period. If that is too difficult to understand, then keep demanding your right of way and see how that works out for you. Most drivers of carts will swerve IF possible so that you don't get your dainty little sneakers dusty in the grass. But, I am not going to play chicken with another oncoming cart or car if on a public road, just to appease the sensitivities of a walker. If that makes me a mean person, then welcome to the real world. If you see a cart, bicycle or skateboard coming, step to one side or be prepared for an unpleasant experience. Common sense.

[Topspinmo]

They are called Multi-Modal Paths (Carts, Bikes, Walkers, Runners, etc.). Golf carts are literally designed to actually go into the grass and go around them if the driver simply cannot slow down and make way.

All a cart owner has to do is turn the steering wheel to go around a walker on the MMP. And also remember that many walkers are concealed carry permit holders and that attempting to pressure and run someone over may lead to sudden and rapid life exit.


Well, I wouldn’t bet my health on it. I remove any doubt and just steep way off path. That way I insure my odds are near zero. I wouldn’t try stand you’re ground laws when all had to was simply get out of path. But, I agree there some crazies out there.

[VApeople]

It's a lot easier for a walker/jogger to step off the path than it is for a golf cart to swerve into traffic, period.

In my opinion, you are absolutely correct.

We never choose to walk on an MMP, but when we take the walking/biking trail around Hogeye, there is a part where we have to walk along the MMP next to the turnpike. We walk single file facing the golf cart traffic and walk in the grass when a cart is coming. Fortunately, that MMP is very wide so the carts never come close to us.

It is a relief when that part of our walk ends and we can get back on the trail where carts are forbidden.

[unialimon]

I have been sworn at and threatened on the Fenney MMP by a runner. So now I walk with a 2.5 ft steel pipe and large smile.

[ThirdOfFive]

I don't get that some don't understand the term Multi-modal, selfish a**holes I would guess.
As a longtime runner I'm used to being alert. I run county roads here in Southern Indiana with no sidewalks or shoulder. Most people are very courtious, just like there. But some are not. During our lifestyle visit a couple weeks ago I ran every day on the MMP near Brownwood without an issue. We bought a snowbird home in Amelia and I plan on doing the same when we get there.

That said, I will always run the sidewalk instead of a busy road for safety reasons, even though asphalt is easier on the legs. But I buy top quality running shoes, so that's not really an issue for me. I'd rather stay alive. lol
Good post. I have never yet paid a price for being courteous, and most people appreciate it. I'll step off the path when encountering an oncoming car or bicycle. Get lots of thumbs-up and waves for doing that.

Some things though beggar description. I've had two experiences now (last one just last week) where I'm walking on the left side of the MMP (always within inches of the grass). Carts coming from my rear pass me in the open lane to my right. But twice now, that cart overtaking me in the righthand lane has been passed by another cart. This last time it couldn't have missed me by more than an inch. No way I could have seen it coming. I loudly expressed my displeasure (no verbatim quotes would make it past the thought police here) and pulled out my phone, miming that I was filming the guy. Hopefully he noticed. But even if he did, such an entitled attitude probably prohibited him from even realizing how dangerous is action was.

Overall, the overwhelming majority of people who use the carts are courteous and obey the rules. The ones who don't, stand out because of their rarity. But when they do screw up, they certainly make sure their screw-up is worthy of mention.

[Laker14]

I'd like to suggest yet another option. How about a cheery smile and a "Good Morning!".

There is no dishonor in stepping aside, letting the others pass by even if they are (HORRORS!!!) in error. No need to jump into oncoming traffic. No need for nastiness.
Take a deep breath. We all make mistakes, and we all benefit at times from someone else stepping aside (I am speaking figuratively now) to give us a little leeway.

[John-US]

Not sure it matters when most folks (select your gender) walking AND driving (select your mode of transport) have either music playing loudly or have ear buds in with music.. or simply can't see or hear and is the root cause for being on the MMP.

So please be considerate folks.. remember the friendly part... and the dreams....

[MX rider]

What happens when one is not courteous?

Do they push you into a ditch? Or do you recognize them in advance so you can jump into the ditch yourself?

Thankfully in 40 years of running I've never had to jump in the ditch. lol. But I've been close.

As far as running on the MMP, I have no problem moving over into the grass if needed. It's really not a big deal. As long as I get in my fun, relaxing run I'm good. But I have no patience for selfish people who think the paths/roads are only for them. If everyone would just share the paths, we'd all be better off. But I'm afraid that's a pipe dream.

[triflex]

It is called a brake pedal. Slow down. People walking are not required to step into the mud or wet grass. People walking and getting exercise are not required to make-way for an American Big Body (ABB) (aka Lard Nugget) who cannot fathom walking.


It's a lot easier for a walker/jogger to step off the path than it is for a golfcart to swerve into traffic, period. If that is too difficult to understand, then keep demanding your right of way and see how that works out for you. Most drivers of carts will swerve IF possible so that you don't get your dainty little sneakers dusty in the grass. But, I am not going to play chicken with another oncoming cart or car if on a public road, just to appease the sensitivities of a walker. If that makes me a mean person, then welcome to the real world. If you see a cart, bicycle or skateboard coming, step to one side or be prepared for an unpleasant experience. Common sense.

[triflex]

As a semi-retired attorney I make a point of minding the rule of being cautious not to harm someone. I once sued a guy (for a client) and received a $1.1M judgment against them. The guy did not have enough insurance or money to satisfy the judgment.

I proceeded to renew that judgment for many years until the judgment was satisfied with 12% statutory interest tacked onto the uncollected amounts. 12% is a pretty good return on investment especially when compounded annually.

He even moved out of state and I hired a skip-tracer at that time with a 20% recovery if he could attach assets in the new state.

I guarantee you I will be respectful of you guys running and walking and biking. Because a judgement lien creditor is a real thing.

[Garywt]

It's a lot easier for a walker/jogger to step off the path than it is for a golfcart to swerve into traffic, period. If that is too difficult to understand, then keep demanding your right of way and see how that works out for you. Most drivers of carts will swerve IF possible so that you don't get your dainty little sneakers dusty in the grass. But, I am not going to play chicken with another oncoming cart or car if on a public road, just to appease the sensitivities of a walker. If that makes me a mean person, then welcome to the real world. If you see a cart, bicycle or skateboard coming, step to one side or be prepared for an unpleasant experience. Common sense.

Wow, have we forgotten the rules of the road. Pedestrian ps always have the right of way, the bikes and then cars and/or golf carts. Just like driving a car on the street. If an obstacle is in front of you on your side of the street whether it is a stopped vehicle, trash truck, mailman, pedestrian it is your responsibility to stop if there is an oncoming car. You must stop until you can safely pull around and proceed. Anything less than that is unexceptionable anywhere you travel not just on the paths around The Villages.

[Garywt]

Golden eagle stated: MMP's are not sidewalks. There are almost no sidewalks in the villages, so Golden Eagles point is not universally applicable to the villages.
Bicycles and golf carts are not allowed on sidewalks, bicycles and golf carts are allowed on multi modal paths, therefore multi modal paths are not sidewalks. Thus, a pedestrian does not have to use an MMP, as some here are implying.

But is they do they have a right to and pedestrians have the right of way. I can understand now why so many walkers give me such a big wave because I give them plenty of room and it seems like many others try to run them down.

[Garywt]

They are called Multi-Modal Paths (Carts, Bikes, Walkers, Runners, etc.). Golf carts are literally designed to actually go into the grass and go around them if the driver simply cannot slow down and make way.

All a cart owner has to do is turn the steering wheel to go around a walker on the MMP. And also remember that many walkers are concealed carry permit holders and that attempting to pressure and run someone over may lead to sudden and rapid life exit.
Really going there, walkers are carrying? If this ever happened it sure would be sad.

[triflex]

As I calculate it, a golf cart with a driver going 20mph will impart 5,735 foot pounds of force to anyone it comes in contact with.

If, as some people here seem to imply, they are deliberately inclined not give way to pedestrians, that is the use of deadly force.

Now, add two occupants and a high-speed gear and ....you should get a life sentence.

Really going there, walkers are carrying? If this ever happened it sure would be sad.

[Garywt]

As I calculate it, a golf cart with a driver going 20mph will impart 5,735 foot pounds of force to anyone it comes in contact with.

If, as some people here seem to imply, they are deliberately inclined not give way to pedestrians, that is the use of deadly force.

Now, add two occupants and a high-speed gear and ....you should get a life sentence.
Understand that for sure, just didn’t know so many walkers were carrying in The Villages.

[thevillages2013]

Understand that for sure, just didn’t know so many walkers were carrying in The Villages.

That’s not a banana in my pocket:a040:

[Byte1]

Wow, have we forgotten the rules of the road. Pedestrian ps always have the right of way, the bikes and then cars and/or golf carts. Just like driving a car on the street. If an obstacle is in front of you on your side of the street whether it is a stopped vehicle, trash truck, mailman, pedestrian it is your responsibility to stop if there is an oncoming car. You must stop until you can safely pull around and proceed. Anything less than that is unexceptionable anywhere you travel not just on the paths around The Villages.

"Rules of the road?" Do rules of the road pertain to the "paths" in the Villages? The OP was about the paths, NOT about the roads. What is easier, asserting your right of way and playing chicken with those that don't care about the rule, or taking one step off the path into the grass when attempting to avoid a conflict with a larger object? Personally, I check the oncoming traffic and then slow and make a wide pass around walkers and joggers. The reason for making a wide circuit past someone is in case they stumble or fall into my path. I am never in a hurry if I am operating a golf cart, so slowing down does not affect me. But, if I was walking or jogging I would be courteous and step off the path of oncoming vehicles. It is a simple thing, and safer for all.

[JMintzer]

It is called a brake pedal. Slow down. People walking are not required to step into the mud or wet grass. People walking and getting exercise are not required to make-way for an American Big Body (ABB) (aka Lard Nugget) who cannot fathom walking.

Yes, "wet grass" if so horrific!

As to your other points, I'll refrain from responding in kind...

[JMintzer]

That’s not a banana in my pocket:a040:

And I'm not happy to see you! :1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

Understand that for sure, just didn’t know so many walkers were carrying in The Villages.

I don't know about "so many", but they are certainly out there...

A trip to "Shooter's World" over by Brownwood will convince you of that...

[Dana1963]

Understand that for sure, just didn’t know so many walkers were carrying in The Villages.
Oh yes a drunk shot up his neighbors front door and a father shot his son are the only gun incidents I remember in The Villages and maybe a suicide.

[VApeople]

Last year there was an incident at the dog park in the neighborhood of DeSoto. For some reason, one person pulled out a gun and threatened another person.

[Topspinmo]

With grass you likely swing to far into the comfort zone vs resistance. Your feet may benefit but the added effort to run through grass may not be worth it. While you are running these decisions are what keep you occupied.


IMO asphalt is not soft surface, it porous surface when concrete way less porous. IMO faults sense of softness. IMO runners foot not sinking into surface and that surface in not soft enough for you weight to cause rebound affect.

[Topspinmo]

Wouldn't go near the place.
Country is a nightmare!:icon_wink:

I was stationed there in late 80’s and 90’s I found England pleasant with very friendly people.

[Knighterrant]

They are called Multi-Modal Paths (Carts, Bikes, Walkers, Runners, etc.). Golf carts are literally designed to actually go into the grass and go around them if the driver simply cannot slow down and make way.

All a cart owner has to do is turn the steering wheel to go around a walker on the MMP. And also remember that many walkers are concealed carry permit holders and that attempting to pressure and run someone over may lead to sudden and rapid life exit.
What a moronic statement. Does the person posting this think that people in golf carts do not also have CCW permits. Just suggesting such a thing in a forum like this is stupid.

[ThirdOfFive]

What a moronic statement. Does the person posting this think that people in golf carts do not also have CCW permits. Just suggesting such a thing in a forum like this is stupid.
Heh.

A shootout on a multi-modal path between two geezers over who has the right-of-way?

Top story on the Evening News for sure!

[Bogie Shooter]

What a moronic statement. Does the person posting this think that people in golf carts do not also have CCW permits. Just suggesting such a thing in a forum like this is stupid.

Always it’s the guns…………
Yep stupid.

[JMintzer]

Heh.

A shootout on a multi-modal path between two geezers over who has the right-of-way?

Top story on the Evening News for sure!

"Shoot-Out at the O'Dell Corral"...

[golfing eagles]

"Shoot-Out at the O'Dell Corral"...

Who resurrected this dead thread anyway?

[JMintzer]

Who resurrected this dead thread anyway?

Someone who sold their house in TV over 1 & 1/2 years ago...

[Bilyclub]

Someone who sold their house in TV over 1 & 1/2 years ago...


You didn't read enough of their past posts. They sold their first house to buy a bigger one in TV.

[MDLNB]

When it comes to playing Chicken on the MMP, does having the right of way really matter if a walker is playing with a golf cart?

:gc::pepper2::boom: