After Hours Dog Walking on the Golf Courses

[Marcoguy]

Tonight was the first time I saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the Golf Ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but I know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because I’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well

[npwalters]

yawn

[Marcoguy]

yawn

Thanks for the response. It’s much appreciated. :)

[jchase]

Wine wine 🍸

[Marcoguy]

Wine wine 🍸

Read you load and clear.
Thanks for the response.

[dewilson58]

1st post.............welcome to ToTV.

:popcorn:

[Marcoguy]

1st post.............welcome to ToTV.

:popcorn:

Thanks Mr. Helpful. This has been very informative.

[stanley]

Tonight was the first time I saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the Golf Ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but I know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because I’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well

You ain't seen nothing.....wait till the snowbirds come back

[dewilson58]

Thanks Mr. Helpful. This has been very informative.

:welcome:

[VApeople]

The dog was everywhere.

In Florida, we let our trained alligators deal with dogs and cats that are allowed to run lose.

[Rosebud1949]

Tonight was the first time I saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the Golf Ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but I know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because I’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well

Yes welcome to the "once friendly villages" sorry you received such negative comments from some Those must be the folk who break the rules. Wait until someone's golf ball lands in a "poo heap" we will never hear the last of it.

Not much difference to those dog owners who open the gate to the tennis/pb courts and let their dogs run around , so they dont have to chase them around. No they dont pick up after their dogs either. As another comment say wait until the snowbirds come, who treat the villages like a holiday camp.

One golfer suggesting to an Ambassador that the courses should be closed until "they get here" so they are in good condition. Quite the reverse I think.

[Rwirish]

See it all the time. Golf cart paths are not walking paths.

[Mark.devlin]

Love it! (The comment about the alligators are there to take care of the problem.)

[RICH1]

The cats let the Golfers use their litter boxes...

[golfing eagles]

See it all the time. Golf cart paths are not walking paths.

My favorite is when they don't even bother to wait until after hours and just wander around on the courses while people are golfing. FORE!!!!!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Two Bills]

Yes welcome to the "once friendly villages" sorry you received such negative comments from some Those must be the folk who break the rules. Wait until someone's golf ball lands in a "poo heap" we will never hear the last of it.

Not much difference to those dog owners who open the gate to the tennis/pb courts and let their dogs run around , so they dont have to chase them around. No they dont pick up after their dogs either. As another comment say wait until the snowbirds come, who treat the villages like a holiday camp.

One golfer suggesting to an Ambassador that the courses should be closed until "they get here" so they are in good condition. Quite the reverse I think.

You apologise for OP getting negative comments, then spend the next two paragraphs slagging people off!
Funny old world!

[SERENITY52]

tonight was the first time i saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the golf ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but i know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because i’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well
should be $250.00

[mlmarr1]

Tonight was the first time I saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the Golf Ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but I know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because I’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well

Relax .. walking the golf course is safer then the streets after dark .. do find a lot of stray golf balls..

[Girlcopper]

Tonight was the first time I saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the Golf Ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but I know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because I’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well
Welcome to TV. You will find better things to complain about soon. Im sure!

[GoPacers]

IF The Villages thought this was a serious problem, THEY would do something about it. Apparently, they do not see it as an issue serious enough to take action. Problem solved!

[golfing eagles]

IF The Villages thought this was a serious problem, THEY would do something about it. Apparently, they do not see it as an issue serious enough to take action. Problem solved!

Solved, until some idiot get hit by a golf ball, or becomes Purina gator chow after dark. While I don't share the OPs enthusiasm for this problem, the fact remains that these people ARE trespassing.

So why is it that some of the same people who don't think blatant trespassing is a big deal get their undies in a bunch over a golf cart going 20.1 mph or junk mail being tossed in the postal station trash cans?

[soniak4@gmail.com]

In my view, no matter where you live, there are and will be people who believe their needs, desires and beliefs supersede laws, rules and other people. That is just the way it is. Our job is to realistically decide actions that are the most critical to the good of the community and that we can change, and act on those. Otherwise we will drive ourselves crazy (as if we’re not there already). Choose your battles, take care of your mental well being and enjoy what The Villages has to offer.

[jenniferthomas]

They must be special. 😒 Think how bad the golf courses would look if everyone did that.

[RayAmb]

I can remember when this area was full of wildlife. Peaceful, clean and quiet. Now it seem that someone’s dog walking has gotten your hairspray messed up. Where do these people come from? You want to talk about entitlements and perspectives. Sounds like you left the perfect place.
In closing. I sure hope the doggie owner picks up the fertilizer.
Enjoy The Villages “The friendliest hometown “

[forebubba]

Tonight was the first time I saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the Golf Ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but I know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because I’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well

The dog walkers should be aware that chemicals are applied quite often. A dog's paws will absorb these chemicals. The courses do not put out signs saying so.
If you love your dog do not walk it on the golf course.
As for others sarcasm...well welcome to the "friendliest home town"

[Stu from NYC]

Solved, until some idiot get hit by a golf ball, or becomes Purina gator chow after dark. While I don't share the OPs enthusiasm for this problem, the fact remains that these people ARE trespassing.

So why is it that some of the same people who don't think blatant trespassing is a big deal get their undies in a bunch over a golf cart going 20.1 mph or junk mail being tossed in the postal station trash cans?

Nobody has complained about junk mail being tossed at postal station for awhile now.

Wonder why?

[DAVES]

In my view, no matter where you live, there are and will be people who believe their needs, desires and beliefs supersede laws, rules and other people. That is just the way it is. Our job is to realistically decide actions that are the most critical to the good of the community and that we can change, and act on those. Otherwise we will drive ourselves crazy (as if we’re not there already). Choose your battles, take care of your mental well being and enjoy what The Villages has to offer.

The real world.
Imagine if the inmates were running this place.

[Proveone]

Call the County Sheriff. The golf courses are private property. How do you know the person with the dog lives on the golf course, or even lives in The Villages? I live on a golf course and pond. I have had guys cut between houses to fish on the pond. It is NOT a community pond and they didn't live here. I called the Sumter County Sheriff. They came down and got them off.

[rwfisher1969]

The dog walkers should be aware that chemicals are applied quite often. A dog's paws will absorb these chemicals. The courses do not put out signs saying so.
If you love your dog do not walk it on the golf course.
As for others sarcasm...well welcome to the "friendliest home town"

Signs are out all the time for chemicals.

[graciegirl]

Tonight was the first time I saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the Golf Ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but I know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because I’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well

As stated in the post above, you are aware it is against the rules. No one is permitted to walk on the course unless they are playing golf during regular hours or work to service it. It is trespassing, pure and simple and it is very annoying to watch people doing things they are not allowed to do. However, I have RARELY heard this complaint on this forum over all the years that I have followed it.

People are drawn to this area for a number of reasons, not the least is the incredible opportunities to play golf or to live close to the green spaces that are lovely to see. Most serious golfers are serious rule followers and are ladies and gentlemen who follow the rules. Golf is an ethical game played against one's own self. Experienced golfers look down on people who don't replace divots or rake the sand traps. You know what you're dealing with when someone walks in your putting line. Most Golfers follow the rules and most golfers like the rules followed.

People are NOT allowed to walk their dogs on the golf course. People are not allowed to walk their kids on the golf course. If they do it they are wrong.

We used to have a group of older women that we called the "Posse" and they addressed things of this nature. I think they petered out. Sad.

I was a member and I also wonder about unusual and not frequent things like this that are pointed out by new posters.

Sometimes I wonder. Sometimes I sit and wonder.

[MrFlorida]

Somebody has to feed the gators....

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Tonight was the first time I saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the Golf Ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but I know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because I’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well

Been here 17years. Not a new thing. I suggest Pelican. 🐊

[OhioBuckeye]

They’re old, they must of thought they were at the dog park!

[merrymini]

I really appreciate all the snotty, snide comments. It tells me who the people who post here really are. This not obeying the rules thing has gone too far. Take a photo next time and send it to the golf course you are on. It is private property and that is trespassing. As far as I see, the comments about snowbirds, the bad behavior and lousy park, the speeding of golf carts, etc. seems to exist here when the snowbirds are not here. Your assumptions about character and behavior are poorly placed and, I can only assume, poorly placed in all aspects of your life.

[Chi-Town]

Call the County Sheriff. The golf courses are private property. How do you know the person with the dog lives on the golf course, or even lives in The Villages? I live on a golf course and pond. I have had guys cut between houses to fish on the pond. It is NOT a community pond and they didn't live here. I called the Sumter County Sheriff. They came down and got them off.

Finally a solution offered.

[BumpaOompa]

In general, pet owners in The Villages are the most entitled people around. The whole world is their playground or bathroom. They could care less about other’s personal property or space. If you’re not a pet owner this is not the place for you. They have ruined this place for everyone. Those with snide remarks are typically pet owners themselves trying to justify their bad behavior.

[Taltarzac725]

Statutes & Constitution
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Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0800-0899/0810/0810ContentsIndex.html)

Take pictures of the trespassers and then call the proper authorities. That would be the Sheriff's Department of whatever county this is that is involved.

[mtlee024]

I aim at them, but of course they will be perfectly safe. LOL.

[Fuzz323]

In general, pet owners in The Villages are the most entitled people around. The whole world is their playground or bathroom. They could care less about other’s personal property or space. If you’re not a pet owner this is not the place for you. They have ruined this place for everyone. Those with snide remarks are typically pet owners themselves trying to justify their bad behavior.

I see that you are really not happy here. I will not be as nasty as you were in your post and just say that it is entirely possible that you can leave whenever you desire and given the vitriol shown it should be soon. Your mental health is important. :icon_wink:

[Lizziemay]

What is this comment suppose to mean ! We pay as much in taxes or more and yet we get criticized and every turn . Stop painting everyone with the same brush !

[tonycirocco@me.com]

In Florida, we let our trained alligators deal with dogs and cats that are allowed to run lose.
Buh by doggie.

[Spalumbos62]

IF The Villages thought this was a serious problem, THEY would do something about it. Apparently, they do not see it as an issue serious enough to take action. Problem solved!


Exactly....and it really isn't. Maybe the person doesn't golf and just wants his fair share. We ALL pay for it monthly, I guess we all should enjoy. Also, if they are only walking. Not much harm there.....
The dog, well that's alittle different...I guess as long as they are picking up after, then it's OK in my book....especially if it's safer than the streets.

[Topspinmo]

Tonight was the first time I saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the Golf Ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but I know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because I’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well

After hours of walking I get tired :)

[RosemarySoso]

You ain't seen nothing.....wait till the snowbirds come back

Getting REALLY tired of snowbirds taking the blame for EVERYTHING — the same people who pay the very same taxes and amenities fees that you do, keeping your fees at the level they are. FYI snowbirds aren’t crazy about the full-timers with the attitudes.

[Topspinmo]

In general, pet owners in The Villages are the most entitled people around. The whole world is their playground or bathroom. They could care less about other’s personal property or space. If you’re not a pet owner this is not the place for you. They have ruined this place for everyone. Those with snide remarks are typically pet owners themselves trying to justify their bad behavior.

Where is this heaven :pray: you wish for?

[Topspinmo]

Getting REALLY tired of snowbirds taking the blame for EVERYTHING — the same people who pay the very same taxes and amenities fees that you do, keeping your fees at the level they are. FYI snowbirds aren’t crazy about the full-timers with the attitudes.

There choice.

[Spalumbos62]

Call the County Sheriff. The golf courses are private property. How do you know the person with the dog lives on the golf course, or even lives in The Villages? I live on a golf course and pond. I have had guys cut between houses to fish on the pond. It is NOT a community pond and they didn't live here. I called the Sumter County Sheriff. They came down and got them off.


I dont understand..."it's not a community pond"...if they did live in TV, then if course it's a community pond...who else would it belong to.....not the homes that surround it.

[Topspinmo]

I dont understand..."it's not a community pond"...if they did live in TV, then if course it's a community pond...who else would it belong to.....not the homes that surround it.

It probably not accessible from common area. Which means you can’t cross private property or developers golf course to access it.

[Spalumbos62]

It probably not accessible from common area. Which means you can’t cross private property or developers golf course to access it.


Yes, absolutely, you should not cross on someone else's property, I agree.
The golfers choose to get up early, drag their clubs,wear their cleats and parade all over the course...daily. why are people so upset if a person walks a paved path 12 hrs later???? (let's remove the dog from this equation). Its truly doing the very same thing,, only on a different schedule....and we don't make divets. Lol. We all equally pay.

[karostay]

Who are they hurting ? no one !
Apparently just annoying busy bodies

[bp243]

As stated in the post above, you are aware it is against the rules. No one is permitted to walk on the course unless they are playing golf during regular hours or work to service it. It is trespassing, pure and simple and it is very annoying to watch people doing things they are not allowed to do. However, I have RARELY heard this complaint on this forum over all the years that I have followed it.

People are drawn to this area for a number of reasons, not the least is the incredible opportunities to play golf or to live close to the green spaces that are lovely to see. Most serious golfers are serious rule followers and are ladies and gentlemen who follow the rules. Golf is an ethical game played against one's own self. Experienced golfers look down on people who don't
replace divots or rake the sand traps. You know what you're dealing with when someone walks in your putting line. Most Golfers follow the rules and most golfers like the rules followed.

People are NOT allowed to walk their dogs on the golf course. People are not allowed to walk their kids on the golf course. If they do it they are wrong.

We used to have a group of older women that we called the "Posse" and they addressed things of this nature. I think they petered out. Sad.

I was a member and I also wonder about unusual and not frequent things like this that are pointed out by new posters.

Sometimes I wonder. Sometimes I sit and wonder.

Thanks for your clear and respectful response. Since I’m new to The Villages and typically a rule follower, I’ve often wondered about walking on the golf cart path after dark. Although it’s been stated that it’s private property, there are no sidewalks where I live, but we do back up to a golf course. Is the lack of sidewalks in our area a cost saving measure for the developers or is there another reason for no sidewalks that I’ve missed?

[ldj1938]

I live on the HH Palms and when there is no golf I have played fetch with my dog in the rough. I can't believe that is a monumental problem. It's very dangerous to do anything in front by the race track. (road). I certainly wouldn't let him go on the green or poop on the course.. It it did happen I would clean it up immediately. (They are usually unscheduled.) If you want to see a green full of crap put a bunch of geese on it. Unbelievable!!
So come on, let my puppy have a little fun and me too! Life is a very short project so lighten up! It's not good for your heart to be grumpy. I've seen golfers do more damage to greens than a dog could do in a week.
He's my buddy!:doggie:

[riley2011]

Tonight was the first time I saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the Golf Ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but I know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because I’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well

It’ll be great when some golfer steps in dog poop while playing.

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by stanley View Post
You ain't seen nothing.....wait till the snowbirds come back

Getting REALLY tired of snowbirds taking the blame for EVERYTHING — the same people who pay the very same taxes and amenities fees that you do, keeping your fees at the level they are. FYI snowbirds aren’t crazy about the full-timers with the attitudes.

I'll 2nd RosemarySoSo in totality. I'm a snowbird, I own my house, I pay property tax and monthly amenity fees. I pay these fees 12 months/year and am only in residence 4 months/year. That means my other 8 payments subsidize the full-timers, my payments keep your fees low. Additionally, I don't golf. All that is by my choice. And I'm good with it. I also bring my dog with me when I am in residence. He's walked 2 miles 2x/day, those walks keep my 11 year-old boy moving. My dog is known, by name, by so many residents along our way, they come out of their houses to give him treats. I have been invited into their homes and made new friends ONLY because of my dog. And yes, I sometimes allow him to lead me onto a totally vacant golf course, he particularly likes the sand traps, must feel good on his paws. I mean he really enjoys it and he harms nothing. I know what the rakes are for, and you'll always find two bags in my pocket. This snowbird has never allowed my dog to damage anything, ALWAYS cleans up after him and NEVER disposes of the contents in other than my trash. It slays me that you think every snowbird holds less respect for the beauty of TV, or doesn't understand the need to preserve that beauty. I've invested my money in TV, just as you have. And I aim to get it back in full one day, just as you do. So please stop blaming ALL snowbirds for EVERYTHING you don't like about TV.

I honestly didn't know it was against the "rules" to walk on the golf course after dark unless you're golfing (which is kinda ridiculous, isn't it?). I never imagined I wasn't allowed to use something I pay for. And I can't reason why it would bother someone else. But hey, I've been around here long enough to recognize someone is always bothered by something. You know what bothers me? The way you don't mind your grandkids! I've seen grandparents allow their grandkids to be loud, so freaking disruptive, and disrespectful to their grandparent and others. I've seen grandparents allow their grandchildren to ride their bikes in such a manner that others are at risk of injury. I've seen grandparents allow their less than driving age kids drive their golf carts on public roadways. I don't object to grandkids, I have 11 of the dears. It's the permissive grandparent with no respect for those around them that make me nuts. So there ya go. Please get off the Snowbird backs and mind your own. Rant over.

[Nick B]

tonight was the first time i saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the golf ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but i know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because i’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well
myob

[Nick B]

Call the County Sheriff. The golf courses are private property. How do you know the person with the dog lives on the golf course, or even lives in The Villages? I live on a golf course and pond. I have had guys cut between houses to fish on the pond. It is NOT a community pond and they didn't live here. I called the Sumter County Sheriff. They came down and got them off.
Thank God. Hope they got hard time

[Nick B]

I really appreciate all the snotty, snide comments. It tells me who the people who post here really are. This not obeying the rules thing has gone too far. Take a photo next time and send it to the golf course you are on. It is private property and that is trespassing. As far as I see, the comments about snowbirds, the bad behavior and lousy park, the speeding of golf carts, etc. seems to exist here when the snowbirds are not here. Your assumptions about character and behavior are poorly placed and, I can only assume, poorly placed in all aspects of your life.
You're right next it will be white crosses and political flags. Oh wait. Nevermind

[stanley]

OK..........."Some" snowbirds
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Originally Posted by stanley View Post
You ain't seen nothing.....wait till the snowbirds come back



I'll 2nd RosemarySoSo in totality. I'm a snowbird, I own my house, I pay property tax and monthly amenity fees. I pay these fees 12 months/year and am only in residence 4 months/year. That means my other 8 payments subsidize the full-timers, my payments keep your fees low. Additionally, I don't golf. All that is by my choice. And I'm good with it. I also bring my dog with me when I am in residence. He's walked 2 miles 2x/day, those walks keep my 11 year-old boy moving. My dog is known, by name, by so many residents along our way, they come out of their houses to give him treats. I have been invited into their homes and made new friends ONLY because of my dog. And yes, I sometimes allow him to lead me onto a totally vacant golf course, he particularly likes the sand traps, must feel good on his paws. I mean he really enjoys it and he harms nothing. I know what the rakes are for, and you'll always find two bags in my pocket. This snowbird has never allowed my dog to damage anything, ALWAYS cleans up after him and NEVER disposes of the contents in other than my trash. It slays me that you think every snowbird holds less respect for the beauty of TV, or doesn't understand the need to preserve that beauty. I've invested my money in TV, just as you have. And I aim to get it back in full one day, just as you do. So please stop blaming ALL snowbirds for EVERYTHING you don't like about TV.

. Please get off the Snowbird backs and mind your own. Rant over.

The real issue is......what will you do now that you know you are not allowed on the golf courses unless playing?

[Papa_lecki]

There choice.

Their

[airstreamingypsy]

Wow, just wow. What is the harm of someone walking their dog on the golf course, after dark? The Villages is full of the most whiny complainers on the planet. Guess what else walks on the golf course, Coyotes, Bobcats, Alligators, Sandhill Cranes, 'possums, raccoons and a myriad of others. The guy's dog may have pooped after dinner, and if it does poop the owner is more like to pick it up than any of the other animals I mentioned above. You people just look for things to complain about, the guy and his dog aren't harming you......

[positiveinlife]

Who are they hurting ? no one !
Apparently just annoying busy bodies

I understand you must walk your dog. there are hundreds of acres of public space let alone dog parks around. If you choose to use other peoples property , golf courses etc..
then please don't act so offended by someone calling you out for being lazy or just irresponsible...

[Best family]

Unfortunately too many people have no respect or think they don’t need rules
Very sad

[stanley]

Getting REALLY tired of snowbirds taking the blame for EVERYTHING — the same people who pay the very same taxes and amenities fees that you do, keeping your fees at the level they are. FYI snowbirds aren’t crazy about the full-timers with the attitudes.

I work on a champ course and kick off more "trespasser's" during the winter months. Could be coincidence. :ohdear:

[Becca9800]

OK..........."Some" snowbirds
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The real issue is......what will you do now that you know you are not allowed on the golf courses unless playing?

Take up golf.

[Becca9800]

I work on a champ course and kick off more "trespasser's" during the winter months. Could be coincidence. :ohdear:

OR it's simply too damned hot for "trespassers" in the other seasons? Trespassers? Jesus.

[Taltarzac725]

I live on the HH Palms and when there is no golf I have played fetch with my dog in the rough. I can't believe that is a monumental problem. It's very dangerous to do anything in front by the race track. (road). I certainly wouldn't let him go on the green or poop on the course.. It it did happen I would clean it up immediately. (They are usually unscheduled.) If you want to see a green full of crap put a bunch of geese on it. Unbelievable!!
So come on, let my puppy have a little fun and me too! Life is a very short project so lighten up! It's not good for your heart to be grumpy. I've seen golfers do more damage to greens than a dog could do in a week.
He's my buddy!:doggie:

You sound responsible. I do think they should use a lot of common sense when applying rules.

[stanley]

OR it's simply too damned hot for "trespassers" in the other seasons? Trespassers? Jesus.

Yes "trespasser's". There are some that just make a wrong turn, you get to know the difference.

[Barborv]

Some people must of never been taught that if you have nothing nice to say then don’t say it!
If the golf courses would start fining people, or for that matter, anywhere else that has restrictions, and it’s hitting their pockets/pocketbooks , things might change.

[smacca56]

WOW just WOW. New to the Villages. Haven't even moved into our house yet but will be in November and plan to be there full time although we will vacation some during the summer months. Does that still make us the dreaded "snowbirds?" We have a dog and have gotten the clear message. No dogs on the golf courses not that we planned to. We researched where we were buying so we would be close to a dog park and figured that's where we were allowed to let her loose.

When we were there in March to see our new place, we accidently got onto a golf course path with our golf cart due to our GPS and not really knowing the area very well. A very kind man told us we were not supposed to be on the golf path there and told us where we needed to go. We thanked him and went back the way we got there and were very careful not to do that again.

Some people are new to the area and don't know all the rules yet. Maybe if you just spoke to that person on the golf course nicely, he might have said thank you and that he was unaware. Don't assume all people know the rules. There seems to be a lot of them as I am learning on here.

Maybe some of you that seem to know all the rules should start a class for those of us who are new or is there one already?

[Ben Franklin]

They need to rename this forum, The Complainer's Page. There's more complaining going on than there are solutions, or anything else.

I imagine racoons, gators, squirrels, rabbits... and maybe even deer use the golf course at night.

[Pamelah]

You ain't seen nothing.....wait till the snowbirds come back
Nasty comment. . You people who complain about “snowbirds” are jealous that you haven’t the means to escape TV summer heat. Pathetic

[CFrance]

In general, pet owners in The Villages are the most entitled people around. The whole world is their playground or bathroom. They could care less about other’s personal property or space. If you’re not a pet owner this is not the place for you. They have ruined this place for everyone. Those with snide remarks are typically pet owners themselves trying to justify their bad behavior.
That is such a pile of dog doo. Show us the facts.

[Worldseries27]

tonight was the first time i saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the golf ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but i know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because i’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well
most are helpfull

[Road-Runner]

We're dog people, have been all our lives. I'm naturally more tolerant of other people's pets because I've always had my own. People who aren't dog people, whose pets aren't major portions of their lives have no tolerance for those who are. It's just like kids, I used to think all kids were obnoxious to be around and then had a couple of my own. Sure, they can still be obnoxious but it just doesn't bother me so much anymore. I think the VAST majority of pet owners want to do right by their neighbors and their pets. If my dog despite my best efforts goes in someone's yard or common area I will pick it up, period. I always walk them in my own yard first trying to make them go there so I don't have to worry so much about them picking a spot along the way, but it still happens. Some people don't care for bike riders on public roads, others don't like something someone is doing on the cart paths, I don't think dog owners ruin The Villages any more than any other group that's just trying to enjoy their lives the best way they know how.

[Two Bills]

They need to rename this forum, The Complainer's Page. There's more complaining going on than there are solutions, or anything else.

I imagine racoons, gators, squirrels, rabbits... and maybe even deer use the golf course at night.

Wife and I passed what we took to be a mating Couger by one of the starter shacks one night.
All sorts of wildlife out there!:shocked:

[alwann]

Some people must of never been taught that if you have nothing nice to say then don’t say it!
If the golf courses would start fining people, or for that matter, anywhere else that has restrictions, and it’s hitting their pockets/pocketbooks , things might change.

Let's remember this. The championship courses are owned by the developer. It's his problem to fix, if he see it as a problem. Sort of like underage kids living here fulltime. Only he can enforce the rules. If he wants to. Apparently he doesn't want to.

[stanley]

Let's remember this. The championship courses are owned by the developer. It's his problem to fix, if he see it as a problem. Sort of like underage kids living here fulltime. Only he can enforce the rules. If he wants to. Apparently he doesn't want to.

It's up to each course and their employees to enforce the rules. At the course I work at we are instructed to enforce them, and I, we do, as much as we can during our shifts. It's pretty safe to say that's policy across the board.

[golfing eagles]

Wife and I passed what we took to be a mating Couger by one of the starter shacks one night.
All sorts of wildlife out there!:shocked:

And I only thought that happened in the bleachers at Brownwood :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[carhirsch]

In general, pet owners in The Villages are the most entitled people around. The whole world is their playground or bathroom. They could care less about other’s personal property or space. If you’re not a pet owner this is not the place for you. They have ruined this place for everyone. Those with snide remarks are typically pet owners themselves trying to justify their bad behavior.
“In general” I find the dog walkers in my neighborhood to be conscientious about picking up waste and respecting personal property. It’s tiresome to hear such negativity though I stand by the rule that they should stay off the golf courses. “In general”, I believe they do.

[alwann]

It's up to each course and their employees to enforce the rules. At the course I work at we are instructed to enforce them, and I, we do, as much as we can during our shifts. It's pretty safe to say that's policy across the board.

Understood. But you can't fine them or trespass them from the courses. Wish you could.

[stanley]

Understood. But you can't fine them or trespass them from the courses. Wish you could.

If there is a "problem" we call Community Watch and they call the Sheriff. Pedestrians are usually OK but the one's fishing are another story.

[VApeople]

Pedestrians are usually OK but the one's fishing are another story.

Pedestrians can be a problem if they steal my golf ball.

One time I hit a ball toward the water but it hit a person fishing and it bounced back into the fairway, so I was pretty happy. The fisherman, not so much.

[fishon]

Selfish people in The Villages??
Say it isn't so!

If we could just get rid of all of the old people, The Villages would be paradise on earth.

[bilcon]

I saw it the other day. Two morons walking along the course, no shirts, just out for a jolly walk while people were teeing off right in their direction. More and more people think they can do whatever they want. Off limits, except for golfers. I asked the golf office why can't put a small sign (course Closed) when the starter or ambassadors leave. You think I asked them to put up a wall around the course. You are absolutely right Marcoguy. I call them the "entitled people". I hope the dog meets Mr. Alligator, Mr Coyote or Mr. Hawk. Case Closed.


"I have never made a mistake in my life. I thought I did once, but I was wrong".

[riley2011]

Tonight was the first time I saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the Golf Ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but I know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because I’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well

Won’t it be great when someone steps in dog crap? That might get someone’s attention.

[riley2011]

I saw it the other day. Two morons walking along the course, no shirts, just out for a jolly walk while people were teeing off right in their direction. More and more people think they can do whatever they want. Off limits, except for golfers. I asked the golf office why can't put a small sign (course Closed) when the starter or ambassadors leave. You think I asked them to put up a wall around the course. You are absolutely right Marcoguy. I call them the "entitled people". I hope the dog meets Mr. Alligator, Mr Coyote or Mr. Hawk. Case Closed.


"I have never made a mistake in my life. I thought I did once, but I was wrong".

It’s not the dogs fault. He has to go where the owner takes him.

[karostay]

I understand you must walk your dog. there are hundreds of acres of public space let alone dog parks around. If you choose to use other peoples property , golf courses etc..
then please don't act so offended by someone calling you out for being lazy or just irresponsible...

Don't have a dog sorry
Get your facts straight so you don't sound I won't say

[Stu from NYC]

And I only thought that happened in the bleachers at Brownwood :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Asking for a friend, did you really see them at it?

[golfing eagles]

Asking for a friend, did you really see them at it?

I think it was before I moved here full time

[Bill14564]

I saw it the other day. Two morons walking along the course, no shirts, just out for a jolly walk while people were teeing off right in their direction. More and more people think they can do whatever they want. Off limits, except for golfers. I asked the golf office why can't put a small sign (course Closed) when the starter or ambassadors leave. You think I asked them to put up a wall around the course. You are absolutely right Marcoguy. I call them the "entitled people". I hope the dog meets Mr. Alligator, Mr Coyote or Mr. Hawk. Case Closed.


"I have never made a mistake in my life. I thought I did once, but I was wrong".

Entitled seems like the appropriate word but.....

[Topspinmo]

Thank God. Hope they got hard time

Yep, sure the sheriff going stop actual criminal investigation and yell “ squad up. “ we have a criminal on a golf course”
All available officer ASAP.:duck:

[Pairadocs]

Yes welcome to the "once friendly villages" sorry you received such negative comments from some Those must be the folk who break the rules. Wait until someone's golf ball lands in a "poo heap" we will never hear the last of it.

Not much difference to those dog owners who open the gate to the tennis/pb courts and let their dogs run around , so they dont have to chase them around. No they dont pick up after their dogs either. As another comment say wait until the snowbirds come, who treat the villages like a holiday camp.

One golfer suggesting to an Ambassador that the courses should be closed until "they get here" so they are in good condition. Quite the reverse I think.

You've summed it up quite well, amazing how things have changed over the years, Villages legally is on thin ground so to speak, in trying to enforce anything, but the lack of caring on the part of some residents, some visitors and way too many dog owners and golfers is stunning at times. Just the smell from the number of people who will take their dogs anywhere (but their own yard) to "deposit" makes one wonder about their thinking process ? Same with "golfers" who drive OVER the edges of traps and greens with gas and electric carts ! Just a sad comment on society that so many (not all of course) have no respect for self, others, the amenities, or their community ! Way to the world I guess.

[Pairadocs]

It's up to each course and their employees to enforce the rules. At the course I work at we are instructed to enforce them, and I, we do, as much as we can during our shifts. It's pretty safe to say that's policy across the board.

I believe you of course, and many other employees too I am sure, but WHY would one community have so many different sets of directives for EACH course ? You are correct I know, on one course when I passed an "ambassador" on my way to the next hole, I mentioned (NOT angry, not wanted some incident, etc.) with a light tone and smile: "you might want to keep an eye on the folks behind us, they have no handicap tag, but seem to do whatever they wish with their cart, including driving ONTO the apron, BETWEEN the lip of a trap and the GREEN, and even driving on area BETWEEN the various TEES ! ! Ambassador said: " I hear ya", and shook head slightly, " but we're told that's why we are ambassadors, not marshals, we are told not to reprimand residents or guests, it makes the place seem unfriendly I guess". I shrugged and just said, "yeah, I guess, but seems like that kind of attitude (I made it clear NOT HIS attitude, just in general) can really get costly ! ? How about the people who grind out cigarettes on the greens.... that seems like a "nothing burger" thing here too ? Go figure....

[Marcoguy]

Relax .. walking the golf course is safer then the streets after dark .. do find a lot of stray golf balls..
I’ll gladly walk the golf courses if permitted. My neighbors told me it was a no no.
BTW, I really appreciate your comment. Seriously, this has been very informative.

[Marcoguy]

Yep, sure the sheriff going stop actual criminal investigation and yell “ squad up. “ we have a criminal on a golf course”
All available officer ASAP.:duck:

Didn’t realize the community security were actual Police. Thanks for the info.

[Marcoguy]

You sound responsible. I do think they should use a lot of common sense when applying rules.

Ok let’s change the rule that doesn’t allow it. Simple.

[Marcoguy]

I really appreciate all the snotty, snide comments. It tells me who the people who post here really are. This not obeying the rules thing has gone too far. Take a photo next time and send it to the golf course you are on. It is private property and that is trespassing. As far as I see, the comments about snowbirds, the bad behavior and lousy park, the speeding of golf carts, etc. seems to exist here when the snowbirds are not here. Your assumptions about character and behavior are poorly placed and, I can only assume, poorly placed in all aspects of your life.

Thank you so Much for your comments! I am learning so much about the Villages now.

[Marcoguy]

IF The Villages thought this was a serious problem, THEY would do something about it. Apparently, they do not see it as an issue serious enough to take action. Problem solved!

So that means even if there is a rule about something, you don’t have to observe the rule until the Villages sees it as a problem right? I am not being snarky, I truly want to get along and understand how things work here. Thank you so much for your comments. They are appreciated.

[Papa_lecki]

Is this thread still going one. Can we please have a dog poop thread?

[Marcoguy]

Solved, until some idiot get hit by a golf ball, or becomes Purina gator chow after dark. While I don't share the OPs enthusiasm for this problem, the fact remains that these people ARE trespassing.

So why is it that some of the same people who don't think blatant trespassing is a big deal get their undies in a bunch over a golf cart going 20.1 mph or junk mail being tossed in the postal station trash cans?

Oh, you mean you can’t throw junk mail trash cans at the postal stations? Wow, I didn’t know that. Guess I am busted.

Thank you for your comments. They help me understand!

[Marcoguy]

yawn

Hey, I guess this wasn’t such a yawn LMAO!!!!!

[JMintzer]

I work on a champ course and kick off more "trespasser's" during the winter months. Could be coincidence. :ohdear:

Well, the total population swells by close to 50% during the snowbird season, so there's that...

[stanley]

Well, the total population swells by close to 50% during the snowbird season, so there's that...

Yep...it's not rocket science

[RosemarySoso]

You mean their choice?

[photo1902]

Is this thread still going one. Can we please have a dog poop thread?

Agreed. It’s such a non-issue.

[ryoungs]

As a high school teacher, I coached cross country teams for many years. This was in Illinois. We sometimes ran on our local golf course. I figured the same thing was allowed here in The Villages -- but no, the first time I tried to jog on the golf course across the street from my home here, I got run off pronto by a player. It was almost dark, he was the last player of the day, and I was in no way interfering with his game. I guess that's just the way geezers get sometimes. But, you know, if that's the way it is done here, then I figure I need to follow the same rules. I do hate jogging on the streets though. LOL I have no advice on dogs, other than the owner should have their pet under control at all times. If dog walkers are not allowed on the golf courses, than dogs should not be there either.

[Two Bills]

Asking for a friend, did you really see them at it?

Pretty sure we did as we drove past.
If they wern't, the lady in question was cleaning the cart windshield with her feet!:shocked:

[b0bd0herty]

Tonight was the first time I saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the Golf Ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but I know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because I’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well

Don't know of a Villages Community "Security." There is a Community Watch though and that is what they do: watch and report. They have no enforcement authority simply report. If it's something serious, I believe someone calls local law enforcement.

[golfing eagles]

As a high school teacher, I coached cross country teams for many years. This was in Illinois. We sometimes ran on our local golf course. I figured the same thing was allowed here in The Villages -- but no, the first time I tried to jog on the golf course across the street from my home here, I got run off pronto by a player. It was almost dark, he was the last player of the day, and I was in no way interfering with his game. I guess that's just the way geezers get sometimes. But, you know, if that's the way it is done here, then I figure I need to follow the same rules. I do hate jogging on the streets though. LOL I have no advice on dogs, other than the owner should have their pet under control at all times. If dog walkers are not allowed on the golf courses, than dogs should not be there either.

You mean expecting people to abide by the rules?????

[karostay]

You mean expecting people to abide by the rules?????

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[DaleDivine]

They need to rename this forum, The Complainer's Page. There's more complaining going on than there are solutions, or anything else.

I imagine racoons, gators, squirrels, rabbits... and maybe even deer use the golf course at night.

Or like Craigslist Page called RANTS AND RAVES...
No deer but wild boar and bear. And those mean Sandhill Cranes that walk through the traps and don't rake afterwards.
:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

[DaleDivine]

I think it was before I moved here full time

That was on the stage at Sumter Landing.
:a040::MOJE_whot::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

Pretty sure we did as we drove past.
If they wern't, the lady in question was cleaning the cart windshield with her feet!:shocked:

https://i.imgur.com/7XBViMd.jpg?fb

[bilcon]

Yes, absolutely, you should not cross on someone else's property, I agree.
The golfers choose to get up early, drag their clubs,wear their cleats and parade all over the course...daily. why are people so upset if a person walks a paved path 12 hrs later???? (let's remove the dog from this equation). Its truly doing the very same thing,, only on a different schedule....and we don't make divets. Lol. We all equally pay.

Because those of us who live on the golf course don't want people trespassing behind our homes. We don't know who you are and for all we know you could be there other reasons. Stay Off the golf course unless you are playing. There are enough places to walk without trespassing.

[bilcon]

As a high school teacher, I coached cross country teams for many years. This was in Illinois. We sometimes ran on our local golf course. I figured the same thing was allowed here in The Villages -- but no, the first time I tried to jog on the golf course across the street from my home here, I got run off pronto by a player. It was almost dark, he was the last player of the day, and I was in no way interfering with his game. I guess that's just the way geezers get sometimes. But, you know, if that's the way it is done here, then I figure I need to follow the same rules. I do hate jogging on the streets though. LOL I have no advice on dogs, other than the owner should have their pet under control at all times. If dog walkers are not allowed on the golf courses, than dogs should not be there either.

Did you also teach your students to trespassing on private property? Great Role Model.

[Bill14564]

Because those of us who live on the golf course don't want people trespassing behind our homes. We don't know who you are and for all we know you could be there other reasons. Stay Off the golf course unless you are playing. There are enough places to walk without trespassing.

You are concerned with someone's identification and purpose when they walk on a concrete path behind your home but you don't have the same questions when they walk on a concrete or asphalt path in front of your home?

[stanley]

You are concerned with someone's identification and purpose when they walk on a concrete path behind your home but you don't have the same questions when they walk on a concrete or asphalt path in front of your home?

The concrete and asphalt in "front" of one's home is usually "public" property. Those "concrete paths" behind ones home on the golf course are "private property". Pretty simple really. What's so hard to understand?

[Bill14564]

Did you also teach your students to trespassing on private property? Great Role Model.

If it is owned by the Villages and maintained by our amenity fee then is it really private property?

Yes, I understand that it is possible to "trespass" on public land. Yes, I understand that there are rules though I can't seem to find the rules regarding the golf cart paths. But I also understand how easy it is to use a phrase such as, "trespassing on private property," without actually knowing if it is private property or trespassing.

[Bill14564]

The concrete and asphalt in "front" of one's home is usually "public" property. Those "concrete paths" behind ones home on the golf course is "private property". Pretty simple really. What's so hard to understand?

Not hard to understand at all. Neither is my question or the statement in the post I was replying to.

[stanley]

If it is owned by the Villages and maintained by our amenity fee then is it really private property?

Yes, I understand that it is possible to "trespass" on public land. Yes, I understand that there are rules though I can't seem to find the rules regarding the golf cart paths. But I also understand how easy it is to use a phrase such as, "trespassing on private property," without actually knowing if it is private property or trespassing.

Not hard to understand at all. Neither is my question or the statement in the post I was replying to.

The Villages Golf Course Administration is just a phone call away, "maybe" they can explain it for you.

Call Golf And Tennis Administration at 352-753-3396 for more information on membership enhancements or other golf/tennis issues.

[golfing eagles]

You are concerned with someone's identification and purpose when they walk on a concrete path behind your home but you don't have the same questions when they walk on a concrete or asphalt path in front of your home?

I have to agree with Bilcon. I take it you don't live on a golf course, otherwise you'd realize how dark it is.

If someone were up to something nefarious, do you think they would approach the well lit, possibly spotted by neighbor or community watch front side, or the very dark course side? Besides, you ARE permitted to walk on the street, you ARE NOT permitted to TRESPASS on the golf course

[golfing eagles]

If it is owned by the Villages and maintained by our amenity fee then is it really private property?

Yes, I understand that it is possible to "trespass" on public land. Yes, I understand that there are rules though I can't seem to find the rules regarding the golf cart paths. But I also understand how easy it is to use a phrase such as, "trespassing on private property," without actually knowing if it is private property or trespassing.

The championship courses are not support by the amenity fee. They are private property and utilizing them for something other than golf after paying the greens fee is TRESPASSING

[Bill14564]

The championship courses are not support by the amenity fee. They are private property and utilizing them for something other than golf after paying the greens fee is TRESPASSING

Somewhere in the 120+ responses I must have missed where this was referring to only CHAMPIONSHIP COURSES. With a ratio of about 3.5:1 in number (though certainly less than that in miles of path) the odds were pretty good that at least some of the comments referred to Executive courses.

[Becca9800]

My excursions were definitely onto an Executive course, and only the 2 within walking distance to my home. And I never venture anywhere near a house. I agree totally with not infringing on someone's property, I wouldn't want it done to me.

[golfing eagles]

Somewhere in the 120+ responses I must have missed where this was referring to only CHAMPIONSHIP COURSES. With a ratio of about 3.5:1 in number (though certainly less than that in miles of path) the odds were pretty good that at least some of the comments referred to Executive courses.

I don't think you missed anything. I, on the other hand , was just referring to championship courses, so I think you understood this thread perfectly well. I have no idea whether the term trespassing could be used on exec courses since part of the amenity fee does support them. It may still be a "rule", but I doubt someone (as long as they are a Villager) could be charged with criminal trespass like they might on a championship course

[EdFNJ]

I live on a golf course and pond. Must be difficult dodging those balls all day but at least you have a place to bathe.

[EdFNJ]

Some people don't care for bike riders on public roads, others don't like something someone is doing on the cart paths,.That's another falsity that needs to be cleared up. There are no "CART PATHS" unless one is referring to the diamond marked lanes in the streets which in reality even they aren't just "cart paths." The "CART PATHS" are actually MMP's (Multi-Modal-Paths). The problem is the cart drivers often THINK they are just "cart paths!"

The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians, and skaters.
From below:
Multi-Modal Path Information and Safety (https://www.districtgov.org/community/MultiModal.aspx)

[Spalumbos62]

Because those of us who live on the golf course don't want people trespassing behind our homes. We don't know who you are and for all we know you could be there other reasons. Stay Off the golf course unless you are playing. There are enough places to walk without trespassing.


I'm sorry you feel that way, but my point still stands...again, if I was walking at night on the course- no different than others walking on it all day.
Allot of people like to get out at night, enjoy the openness, breath the fresh air. I don't know about you, but if I was walking a course at night I would feel much safer being able to see the full circumference of my surroundings, rather than being on a street where someone could be hiding behind a car.

I doubt anyone that backs up to a course would feel unsafe sitting on their lanai seeing two 65 or older ladies taking a stroll, carrying a lantern at night.
They are only utilizing the venue that they too pay for.

[Bilyclub]

Getting REALLY tired of snowbirds taking the blame for EVERYTHING — the same people who pay the very same taxes and amenities fees that you do, keeping your fees at the level they are. FYI snowbirds aren’t crazy about the full-timers with the attitudes.

What percentage of snowbirds are rentors?

[Spalumbos62]

The concrete and asphalt in "front" of one's home is usually "public" property. Those "concrete paths" behind ones home on the golf course are "private property". Pretty simple really. What's so hard to understand?


Wrong....what's so hard to understand?

[golfing eagles]

I'm sorry you feel that way, but my point still stands...again, if I was walking at night on the course- no different than others walking on it all day.
Allot of people like to get out at night, enjoy the openness, breath the fresh air. I don't know about you, but if I was walking a course at night I would feel much safer being able to see the full circumference of my surroundings, rather than being on a street where someone could be hiding behind a car.

I doubt anyone that backs up to a course would feel unsafe sitting on their lanai seeing two 65 or older ladies taking a stroll, carrying a lantern at night.
They are only utilizing the venue that they too pay for.

Does not apply to championship courses

[Spalumbos62]

Does not apply to championship courses


Of course, I think that was stated pages ago.

[jimjamuser]

Because those of us who live on the golf course don't want people trespassing behind our homes. We don't know who you are and for all we know you could be there other reasons. Stay Off the golf course unless you are playing. There are enough places to walk without trespassing.
The golf course is NOT your personal property. you only have some small area behind your house. ALL the residents pay taxes and the amenity fees. They should be allowed to use an empty golf course as long as they don't abuse it. They should NOT walk on the greens. A golf course IS a lot of space to waste when not used by golfers. ALL residents have to put up with some of the downsides to golf courses - like excess fertilizer runoff into the TV Land lakes, which causes blur-green algae, which produce an unhealthy gas when too plentiful.

[golfing eagles]

The golf course is NOT your personal property. you only have some small area behind your house. ALL the residents pay taxes and the amenity fees. They should be allowed to use an empty golf course as long as they don't abuse it. They should NOT walk on the greens. A golf course IS a lot of space to waste when not used by golfers. ALL residents have to put up with some of the downsides to golf courses - like excess fertilizer runoff into the TV Land lakes, which causes blur-green algae, which produce an unhealthy gas when too plentiful.

Again, see post #131

[jimjamuser]

If it is owned by the Villages and maintained by our amenity fee then is it really private property?

Yes, I understand that it is possible to "trespass" on public land. Yes, I understand that there are rules though I can't seem to find the rules regarding the golf cart paths. But I also understand how easy it is to use a phrase such as, "trespassing on private property," without actually knowing if it is private property or trespassing.
Yes agreed. The amenity fee and sales tax. Even federal tax allows for national defense which protects the golf course from invasion by Russian troops. Bring the AK and the 9 iron comrade? The point is ALL TV Land residents SUPPORT the golf courses in SOME FASHION! Saying, "no trespassing" to residents seems ALL WRONG!

[Becca9800]

What percentage of snowbirds are rentors?

Well, that kinda goes to my point, one can't use a broad brush when painting the atrocities allegedly committed by Snowbirds, some of us are equally invested in TV as the full-timer.

On the flip side, I believe the same broad brush shouldn't be used to color renting Snowbirds as the culprits either. Not all those renting are wo due respect for another's property, just as not all owners have due respect of another's property.

It's probably more like it is with any problem, 5% of the population causing 95% of the problems.

[jimjamuser]

I have to agree with Bilcon. I take it you don't live on a golf course, otherwise you'd realize how dark it is.

If someone were up to something nefarious, do you think they would approach the well lit, possibly spotted by neighbor or community watch front side, or the very dark course side? Besides, you ARE permitted to walk on the street, you ARE NOT permitted to TRESPASS on the golf course
But, the question REALLY is during TWILIGHT hours should RESIDENTS that pay for the golf courses through local sales taxes, amenity fees, other taxes, and DEGRADED LAKES - REALLY be considered disgusting TRESPASSERS or legitimate residents with "skin in the game" for ALL areas of TV Land and therefore - they have RIGHTS too!

And the running coach from up north said that he HAD rights to use that golf course. Why did he lose those rights JUST by moving to TV Land? - is TV Land a land dominated by GOLF DICTATORS!

[Nick B]

Maybe build a wall. Keep those illegals out. MTVGA.

[golfing eagles]

But, the question REALLY is during DAYLIGHT hours should RESIDENTS that pay for the golf courses through local sales taxes, amenity fees, other taxes, and DEGRADED LAKES - REALLY be considered disgusting TRESPASSERS or legitimate residents with "skin in the game" for ALL areas of TV Land and therefore - they have RIGHTS too!

And the running coach from up north said that he HAD rights to use that golf course. Why did he lose those rights JUST by moving to TV Land? - is TV Land a land dominated by GOLF DICTATORS!

Do all communists feel this way????

Paid for by "degraded lakes"???? You have to be kidding!

How about the average golf course produces enough oxygen to support 4000-7000 people? Maybe the non-golfers should pay for the oxygen we let them breathe.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Nick B]

I'm sorry you feel that way, but my point still stands...again, if I was walking at night on the course- no different than others walking on it all day.
Allot of people like to get out at night, enjoy the openness, breath the fresh air. I don't know about you, but if I was walking a course at night I would feel much safer being able to see the full circumference of my surroundings, rather than being on a street where someone could be hiding behind a car.

I doubt anyone that backs up to a course would feel unsafe sitting on their lanai seeing two 65 or older ladies taking a stroll, carrying a lantern at night.
They are only utilizing the venue that they too pay for.
I would call Gov DeSantis maybe he could have lunch and sign a bill making it a minimum 5 years incarceration for walking on a golf course.

[jimjamuser]

My excursions were definitely onto an Executive course, and only the 2 within walking distance to my home. And I never venture anywhere near a house. I agree totally with not infringing on someone's property, I wouldn't want it done to me.
I agree with your attitude. Like a lot of things, it is best because it is MODERATE between the extremes of, "you are a DIRTY ROTTEN TRESPASSER" and you are allowed to walk right up to someone's backyard uninvited.

[shortstack]

[QUOTE=Marcoguy;1960067]Tonight was the first time I saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the Golf Ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but I know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because I’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well[/QUOTE

I think that you should lighten up. Don't sweat the small stuff. I doubt very much if a dog is going to tear up a golf course.
On the other hand if the dog is out there to do it's business and the owner doesn't bag it, is another story.

[jimjamuser]

I don't think you missed anything. I, on the other hand , was just referring to championship courses, so I think you understood this thread perfectly well. I have no idea whether the term trespassing could be used on exec courses since part of the amenity fee does support them. It may still be a "rule", but I doubt someone (as long as they are a Villager) could be charged with criminal trespass like they might on a championship course
I kind of doubt that even the Championship Courses are SOLEY supported by USER fees. Was NOT the land given to the USERS for the purpose of selling more RESIDENTIAL property in TV Land (which drives up selling prices)? And ALL RESIDENTS pay various taxes, (property, sales, and Federal) which together pay for the local and State Police that enforce the NO TRESPASSING rules. The residents have, "skin in the game" for even the Championship Courses. Don't kid yourself!

[golfing eagles]

[QUOTE=Marcoguy;1960067]Tonight was the first time I saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the Golf Ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but I know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because I’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well[/QUOTE

I think that you should lighten up. Don't sweat the small stuff. I doubt very much if a dog is going to tear up a golf course.
On the other hand if the dog is out there to do it's business and the owner doesn't bag it, is another story.

And who is going to monitor the behavior of those that are trespassing on the golf courses? They've already shown a willingness to disregard the rules in the first place, so why does anyone think they will then be respectful of property that doesn't belong to them?
You wouldn't believe what happens on a golf course after the ambassadors leave. It becomes a dog park, a dog potty, cyclists riding on the fairways and greens, grandkids with fishing poles headed to a pond, people joyriding in their golf carts sometimes through sand traps and on greens, etc. And don't tell me it doesn't happen, because I've watched every one of those scenarios take place from my lanai. The easiest way to prevent it is to not allow anyone on the course who isn't playing golf----Oh, yeah, that IS the rule.

[golfing eagles]

I kind of doubt that even the Championship Courses are SOLEY supported by USER fees. Was NOT the land given to the USERS for the purpose of selling more RESIDENTIAL property in TV Land (which drives up selling prices)? And ALL RESIDENTS pay various taxes, (property, sales, and Federal) which together pay for the local and State Police that enforce the NO TRESPASSING rules. The residents have, "skin in the game" for even the Championship Courses. Don't kid yourself!

That's a crock of BS, and I think even you realize it.

[jimjamuser]

I'm sorry you feel that way, but my point still stands...again, if I was walking at night on the course- no different than others walking on it all day.
Allot of people like to get out at night, enjoy the openness, breath the fresh air. I don't know about you, but if I was walking a course at night I would feel much safer being able to see the full circumference of my surroundings, rather than being on a street where someone could be hiding behind a car.

I doubt anyone that backs up to a course would feel unsafe sitting on their lanai seeing two 65 or older ladies taking a stroll, carrying a lantern at night.
They are only utilizing the venue that they too pay for.
And YOU have the RIGHT attitude in MY opinion. You are doing ZERO harm to anyone and are just using a resource that you paid for by BECOMING a resident - you are in effect RECYCLING the fresh air and beauty of the Villages that you came here for and PAID EXTRA to enjoy it. Fair is FAIR!

[wisbad1]

1st post.............welcome to ToTV.

:popcorn:
Don’t be so rude, you always have a smart reply.

[Becca9800]

I agree with your attitude. Like a lot of things, it is best because it is MODERATE between the extremes of, "you are a DIRTY ROTTEN TRESPASSER" and you are allowed to walk right up to someone's backyard uninvited.

Well there was that time I did walk right up to someone's backyard. I was on the course w friends who were golfing, I was just there to watch birds. We saw a B-E-A-U-tiful huge flowering bush in someone's yard. This thing was like nothing I'd ever seen before w red, pink and white flowers all over it. I was compelled to find out what it was. The homeowner happened to come out as we gawked. Ha! Some things are just meant to be! She said it was a Confederate Rose. I couldn't find one locally and ended up having one shipped in from GA. Pretty sure that's not the 'trespassing' that's being discussed here though.

[jimjamuser]

Do all communists feel this way????

Paid for by "degraded lakes"???? You have to be kidding!

How about the average golf course produces enough oxygen to support 4000-7000 people? Maybe the non-golfers should pay for the oxygen we let them breathe.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Wow! Not very scientific of a statement by Eagles that Golf. Everyone knows that grass is JUST BETTER than turned-over soil. And NOT NEARLY as good as NATURAL trees and shrubs. And Trees protect RESIDENTS from tornadoes and hurricanes. Golf courses DO NOT!!!!!! Golf courses produce wind tunnels that magnify wind strength. And Golf courses require enormous maintenance and enormous noise pollution, gasoline vapors, and co2, which causes Global Warming, which is currently driving motley populations of invaders northward into BOTH the US and Europe. Fertilizer and Round-Up runoff is causing many lakes in Lake County to have blue-green algae over-populations - which creates a gas that is unhealthy to HUMANS. SO, SO, SO NO, NO, NO SIR Duffer-with-Eagles-Man - your kind are NOT the good Samaritans that you make yourselves out to be. The REALITY IS that your kind are at the top of the food chain for polluters and other anti-social behavior!

[alwann]

Well there was that time I did walk right up to someone's backyard. I was on the course w friends who were golfing, I was just there to watch birds. We saw a B-E-A-U-tiful huge flowering bush in someone's yard. This thing was like nothing I'd ever seen before w red, pink and white flowers all over it. I was compelled to find out what it was. The homeowner happened to come out as we gawked. Ha! Some things are just meant to be! She said it was a Confederate Rose. I couldn't find one locally and ended up having one shipped in from GA. Pretty sure that's not the 'trespassing' that's being discussed here though.

Maybe not trespassing, but some might say racist flowers. :icon_wink:

[stanley]

Wow! Not very scientific of a statement by Eagles that Golf. Everyone knows that grass is JUST BETTER than turned-over soil. And NOT NEARLY as good as NATURAL trees and shrubs. And Trees protect RESIDENTS from tornadoes and hurricanes. Golf courses DO NOT!!!!!! Golf courses produce wind tunnels that magnify wind strength. And Golf courses require enormous maintenance and enormous noise pollution, gasoline vapors, and co2, which causes Global Warming, which is currently driving motley populations of invaders northward into BOTH the US and Europe. Fertilizer and Round-Up runoff is causing many lakes in Lake County to have blue-green algae over-populations - which creates a gas that is unhealthy to HUMANS. SO, SO, SO NO, NO, NO SIR Duffer-with-Eagles-Man - your kind are NOT the good Samaritans that you make yourselves out to be. The REALITY IS that your kind are at the top of the food chain for polluters and other anti-social behavior!

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Someone here had a post looking for a comedian......

[jimjamuser]

[QUOTE=shortstack;1960986]

And who is going to monitor the behavior of those that are trespassing on the golf courses? They've already shown a willingness to disregard the rules in the first place, so why does anyone think they will then be respectful of property that doesn't belong to them?
You wouldn't believe what happens on a golf course after the ambassadors leave. It becomes a dog park, a dog potty, cyclists riding on the fairways and greens, grandkids with fishing poles headed to a pond, people joyriding in their golf carts sometimes through sand traps and on greens, etc. And don't tell me it doesn't happen, because I've watched every one of those scenarios take place from my lanai. The easiest way to prevent it is to not allow anyone on the course who isn't playing golf----Oh, yeah, that IS the rule.
Nothing wrong with, " grandkid fishing in golf course lakes". There is a problem with golf carts joy riding on greens and into sand traps. I CAN SEE that. That would require a phone call to the Police! Maybe take a video of it for proof. Most people want to do the right thing - a few ruin things for others - that's how speed bumps got started.

[Becca9800]

Maybe not trespassing, but some might say racist flowers. :icon_wink:

Some might. Until they heard why it's called a Confederate Rose.

[dewilson58]

Don’t be so rude, you always have a smart reply.

Rude???....Factual.
&
I welcomed him/her.
How could I be more loving??
:ho:

[jimjamuser]

That's a crock of BS, and I think even you realize it.
Sorry, I stand by what I wrote!

[Ben Franklin]

I wonder if those who are upset, about dogs and people on the golf courses, after hours, are also those who illegally tweaked their golf carts to go faster? Now you have something else to complain about.

[stanley]

Well there was that time I did walk right up to someone's backyard. I was on the course w friends who were golfing,

There you go breaking another rule. Spectators are allowed on the golf course but are required to stay in the golf cart
:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

[Joe V.]

And who is going to monitor the behavior of those that are trespassing on the golf courses? They've already shown a willingness to disregard the rules in the first place, so why does anyone think they will then be respectful of property that doesn't belong to them?

Just like illegal aliens.

[graciegirl]

Maybe not trespassing, but some might say racist flowers. :icon_wink:

Oh PLEASE.

Hibiscus mutabilis (Confederate Rose) (https://www.gardenia.net/plant/hibiscus-mutabilis-confederate-rose#:~:text=Fast%20growing%2C%20award-winning%20Hibiscus%20mutabilis%20%28Confederate%20 Rose%29%20is,Confederate%20Rose%20becomes%20the%20 glory%20of%20the%20garden).

Dictionary

[confederate]
ADJECTIVE
joined by an agreement or treaty.
"some local groups united to form confederate councils"
synonyms:
federal · confederated · federated · allied · in alliance · in league · cooperating · associated · united · combined · amalgamated
NOUN
a person one works with, especially in something secret or illegal; an accomplice.
"where was his confederate, the girl who had stolen Richard's wallet?"
synonyms:
associate · partner · accomplice · abetter · accessory · helper · supporter · assistant · ally · collaborator · colleague · oppo · offsider
a supporter of the Confederate States of America.
VERB
bring (states or groups of people) into an alliance.
"the treaty confederated the fourteen tribes"

[stanley]

Nothing wrong with, " grandkid fishing in golf course lakes".

It is against the rules, and trespassing,to fish in ANY pond or lake within any course. In Lake Sumter it is ILLEGAL to fish there. That's when, if those "grand kids" don't want to leave, the Sheriff is called. Everyone along that lake knows that LAW

[stanley]

Stanley, my friend, you've been working for the golf course too long. Remember that book "1984"?

Rules are rules, and not for the entitled or elite to break. Funny how this time of year there are very few problems on the courses

[golfing eagles]

Wow! Not very scientific of a statement by Eagles that Golf. Everyone knows that grass is JUST BETTER than turned-over soil. And NOT NEARLY as good as NATURAL trees and shrubs. And Trees protect RESIDENTS from tornadoes and hurricanes. Golf courses DO NOT!!!!!! Golf courses produce wind tunnels that magnify wind strength. And Golf courses require enormous maintenance and enormous noise pollution, gasoline vapors, and co2, which causes Global Warming, which is currently driving motley populations of invaders northward into BOTH the US and Europe. Fertilizer and Round-Up runoff is causing many lakes in Lake County to have blue-green algae over-populations - which creates a gas that is unhealthy to HUMANS. SO, SO, SO NO, NO, NO SIR Duffer-with-Eagles-Man - your kind are NOT the good Samaritans that you make yourselves out to be. The REALITY IS that your kind are at the top of the food chain for polluters and other anti-social behavior!

The algae part may have some merit, but the rest is jibber-jabber. Global warming???? NO SUCH THING (and by that I mean it has nothing to do with human activity, just a part of the 5 million year long climatological cycle we are current in. BTW, do you know we are still, by definition, in an ICE AGE)?????

[Bilyclub]

Wow! Not very scientific of a statement by Eagles that Golf. Everyone knows that grass is JUST BETTER than turned-over soil. And NOT NEARLY as good as NATURAL trees and shrubs. And Trees protect RESIDENTS from tornadoes and hurricanes. Golf courses DO NOT!!!!!! Golf courses produce wind tunnels that magnify wind strength. And Golf courses require enormous maintenance and enormous noise pollution, gasoline vapors, and co2, which causes Global Warming, which is currently driving motley populations of invaders northward into BOTH the US and Europe. Fertilizer and Round-Up runoff is causing many lakes in Lake County to have blue-green algae over-populations - which creates a gas that is unhealthy to HUMANS. SO, SO, SO NO, NO, NO SIR Duffer-with-Eagles-Man - your kind are NOT the good Samaritans that you make yourselves out to be. The REALITY IS that your kind are at the top of the food chain for polluters and other anti-social behavior!

I feel that your next post will be damming us for having gas carts. The green slime as we call it is everywhere and is primarily caused by the agriculture business.

[photo1902]

“I tell ya, golf courses and cemeteries are the biggest wastes of prime real estate.”

-Al Czervik

[Bosoxfan]

If you don't live on a golf course then you don't understand. After hours...after the course closes homeowners on the courses should expect privacy...peace and quiet and when this rule is broken they're not getting what they paid for

[jimjamuser]

[QUOTE=shortstack;1960986]

And who is going to monitor the behavior of those that are trespassing on the golf courses? They've already shown a willingness to disregard the rules in the first place, so why does anyone think they will then be respectful of property that doesn't belong to them?
You wouldn't believe what happens on a golf course after the ambassadors leave. It becomes a dog park, a dog potty, cyclists riding on the fairways and greens, grandkids with fishing poles headed to a pond, people joyriding in their golf carts sometimes through sand traps and on greens, etc. And don't tell me it doesn't happen, because I've watched every one of those scenarios take place from my lanai. The easiest way to prevent it is to not allow anyone on the course who isn't playing golf----Oh, yeah, that IS the rule.
Yes, there are rules. But, there is also having flexibility in applying those rules to different situations. For example........grandkids fishing in a lake and golf cars running over greens and in sand traps.

[Spalumbos62]

I wonder if those who are upset, about dogs and people on the golf courses, after hours, are also those who illegally tweaked their golf carts to go faster? Now you have something else to complain about.

You know they are...and they literally think they run the joint.
And maybe, just maybe they think their macho attitude is attractive to women....let me tell you...women run to the hills to get away from this "type"

[Spalumbos62]

If you don't live on a golf course then you don't understand. After hours...after the course closes homeowners on the courses should expect privacy...peace and quiet and when this rule is broken they're not getting what they paid for


Well...ain't that too bad.
Do you really think that big piece of green grass way behind your house is yours??? Come on....you are smarter

[jimjamuser]

That's a crock of BS, and I think even you realize it.
Maybe NOT Mr. Disbeliever of ideas outside of your own. Economically speaking, there are 2 types of costs in this situation 1) called Direct costs - those that are EASILY quantifiable such as Heavy digging equipment, grass cutting mowers, fuel, fertilizer, weed killer, employees wages - and 2) INDIRECT costs which are harder to calculate (but NOT impossible) - such as environmental degradation caused by weed killer and fertilizer runoff into lakes and potentially a water supply. Noise pollution IS a much bigger problem than MOST people care to realize. Gasoline engine pollution that leads to Global Warming and international drilling rights fights and regional tension. Golf courses cause natural trees and shrubs to be eliminated, which have large leaves to absorb dust and carbon dioxide and give back oxygen. Trees and shrubs act to block destructive winds from tornadoes and hurricanes - golf courses are just big wind tunnels!

[jimjamuser]

It is against the rules, and trespassing,to fish in ANY pond or lake within any course. In Lake Sumter it is ILLEGAL to fish there. That's when, if those "grand kids" don't want to leave, the Sheriff is called. Everyone along that lake knows that LAW
I'll take your word that fishing is illegal in those lakes. I don't see ANY logic in that. Seems to me to be JUST another "hissy fit" by the overly protective Golf Dictators. Those are the type of rules that practically BEG to be changed. ALL residents pay amenities property taxes, sales tax, and other taxes at the SAME rate for non-golfers as golfers. So there is NO logic where non-golfers should be 2nd class citizens and denied simple recreational rights to the LAND. Golf courses use OBSCENE areas of land and water - and SERVE ONLY a select few. Golf is DECREASING IN POPULARITY as a sport. Many courses are closing. These are all reasons to re-think RULES that JUST irritate the general public.

[graciegirl]

If you haven't lived golf most of your life on a golf course or near one like a lot of us have, there isn't any use trying to explain.

It isn't there to walk on. The ponds aren't there to fish on. It is trespassing.

[jimjamuser]

The algae part may have some merit, but the rest is jibber-jabber. Global warming???? NO SUCH THING (and by that I mean it has nothing to do with human activity, just a part of the 5 million year long climatological cycle we are current in. BTW, do you know we are still, by definition, in an ICE AGE)?????
Thank you about the algae! Since I brought that to your attention and you grudgingly agreed that I might be right. I will try to make a bigger leap forward for mankind. Over 80% of scientists believe in man-made Global Warming. Why do you think I said that about masses of people INVADING the US and Europe from the SOUTH. You KNOW that is TRUE. It is EVERYWHERE, in every corner of ALL media. Droughts are causing social instability in Central America and North Africa and driving STARVING people northward. The oceans are rising far more rapidly in the last 10 years than in the last 100 years. It has to be MAN-MADE! You are intelligent! So much so that I am STUNNED to know that you are controlled by propaganda that was put out originally by the gas and oil interests. I know that you are conservative, but this is over the TOP. For your own state of mind and future intellectual RESPECT, I SINCERELY call upon you to MERELY revisit the matter. Just rethink it (for just a little bit) with an OPEN mind. What do you think that Einstein would think?

[stanley]

For example........grandkids fishing in a lake and golf cars running over greens and in sand traps.

Grand kids fishing in Lake Sumter is "ILLEGAL" and the grandma and pa know this and allow it. Entitled and elite. If those grand kids don't listen the Sheriff is called period. End of discussion.

[Becca9800]

There you go breaking another rule. Spectators are allowed on the golf course but are required to stay in the golf cart
:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

Can you point out to me where the Spectator Rules require the spectator to remain in the cart, please?
https://www.districtgov.org/departments/golf/Spectator%20Policy.pdf