Kitchen Island Counter Height vs Bar Height

[coffeebean]

The new modern look The Villages is going for in kitchen islands is counter height. Seems bar height is a thing of the past. I found this article about kitchen island counter height vs bar height .....

Counter Height vs. Bar Height: The Pros & Cons of Kitchen Island Seating Styles | Dura Supreme Cabinetry (https://www.durasupreme.com/blog/counter-height-vs-bar-height-pros-cons-kitchen-island-seating-styles#.Xf0XSPx7nIV)

These are my thoughts.........

1) The article says "bar height is tricky for small children." I say this is the only con to bar height that has merit. However, households with no small children do not have to worry about this. If you have grandchildren who visit then yes this may be a concern.

2) The article says there is "more clean up with two separate counters". I say that is really not the case because the actual amount of counter top is the same. This is a ridiculous "pro" for a single tier counter.

3) The article says the two tier counter can "become a drop spot for items such as mail and keys, etc". I say the same can happen with a one tier island counter. Another silly "pro" for the single tier counter.

4) The article says "one tier is better to set up for a buffet." I say the two tier is a better way to set up a buffet, for me anyway. In my kitchen the two tier is a perfect way to separate the drinks/wine station from the food. I place the food on the top tier and set up the drinks/wine with wine glasses, cups and ice bucket on the bottom tier. It is a really great set up and works perfectly.

All my friends have two tier islands in their kitchens and all use the space like I do and separate the drink station from the food. I honestly think one tier would make a bit of chaos for the buffet once everyone starts helping themselves to drinks/wine and food.

As for the pros of a two tier counter top as stated in the article......

1) The two tier counter makes for a room divider in a open concept floor plan (I do like the look of "separation" in the open floor plan.)

2) It can conceal any clutter or dirty dishes from view (that's really BIG for me, especially when entertaining in the dining room)

3) The raised top separates the prep area from seating area when people are sitting at the bar and the cook is preparing food (I really like this too)

The pro for single tier island is it makes the open floor plan space appear larger. I do agree with this but functionality is more important to me than appearance!!!

One thing not mentioned in the article is the outlets that are available on the two tier counter. I have four outlets and they can be used all the time and not create a safety hazard. I see one outlet on the side of the island in a one tier counter top. I certainly would not keep a small appliance plugged in all the time with the wire hanging over the side of the counter. With a two tier counter and the "riser" section with the outlets, there is no safety hazard.

[asianthree]

We have a Lilly, looks like we are going with quartz’s. We have the step down counter, just looked at a house the counter is one level. Not sure if it’s just odd to see a Lshape in that kitchen all one level, or I am not a fan.

We will have to think about keeping the same, or going to one level.

[VApeople]

Wow, this controversy of one-level counter tops versus the old two-level counters is really adding some excitement to our busy lives.

[vintageogauge]

My wife and I have discussed this many times. She likes the appearance of the single level but agrees with me that is it not nearly as functional and will be messy all the time. I do have a drop off point on the lower portion of our two level but the few things I place there cannot be seen unless you are actually in the kitchen. The single looks nice in the models but once lived in it's another story. We'll stick with the two level, our grandkids are not little anymore and most of them are taller than we are.

[2newyorkers]

I just had my 2 level tier changed to a one level quartz counter top. I am so happy with my one level. I think the difference is my main function in the kitchen is cooking and baking. It is so nice to be able to put cookie sheets and your ingredients close at hand. I can spread out. I agree that if you entertain often the 2 tier level might be more practical. Also it was very nice having the electrical outlets within close reach but they have been moved close enough that I do not find it inconvenient.

[Velvet]

To me whether the one level counter is best depends on the house model. I have a one level but it faces the nook and it is very functional as it is. I have a semi open kitchen which is my preference. The fully open kitchens in several models make the house look like a one room (large) cottage. I know we don’t have the servants preparing food out of sight these days, but still a little privacy is nice. It is nice to be able to talk with your guests while preparing food but the mess should be out of sight as much as possible. There is a certain drama and anticipation when the lights are turned low and the chef (me) comes out of the kitchen with a beautiful flambé preparation to bring to the dining room table.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I have the one level counter and one of the biggest benefits, to me, is that we bought a dinning room table of the same height.

We have six stools. Normally, we have four at the dinning room table and two at the counter which is where we eat most of our meals. When we have company, we put the leaf in the dinning room table and move the two counter stools to the dinning room table.

We have a cottage home so everything it kind of close and that works out very well for us.

[Rosebud2020]

After reading all the comments, I have another take on these countertops.
It is beyond my thinking why these bar tops are built when the dining table is probably 5 feet away from the kitchen.
How many different places do Villagers need to sit at to eat when the bar and dining table are in such close proximity to one another.

If it's a question of having a bar top vs. counter height, I'd opt for the counter height.
But given the choice, I'd take chopping that extension off altogether and have a little more floor space which will give you a cleaner, uncluttered and more open look.

[coffeebean]

We have a Lilly, looks like we are going with quartz’s. We have the step down counter, just looked at a house the counter is one level. Not sure if it’s just odd to see a Lshape in that kitchen all one level, or I am not a fan.

We will have to think about keeping the same, or going to one level.

Quartz is a great counter top. No maintenance needed which is what I like, unlike granite.

[coffeebean]

To me whether the one level counter is best depends on the house model. I have a one level but it faces the nook and it is very functional as it is. I have a semi open kitchen which is my preference. The fully open kitchens in several models make the house look like a one room (large) cottage. I know we don’t have the servants preparing food out of sight these days, but still a little privacy is nice. It is nice to be able to talk with your guests while preparing food but the mess should be out of sight as much as possible. There is a certain drama and anticipation when the lights are turned low and the chef (me) comes out of the kitchen with a beautiful flambé preparation to bring to the dining room table.

That sounds absolutely devine. Would burning candles on a birthday cake do? That's my speed. LOL.

[coffeebean]

.......given the choice, I'd take chopping that extension off altogether and have a little more floor space which will give you a cleaner, uncluttered and more open look.

We entertain at our bar so I'm thankful to have this option. I've never had a bar in any of our homes with the exception of our patio villa which we owned in The Villages before purchasing our designer home. (I see a trend here, LOL!!!)

Besides setting up a buffet on the bar for gatherings, I also use the bar as a bar (literally). I serve our guests cocktails while they sit at the bar. I have my space for the bar set up on the lower tier with the liquors and everything else that is needed for mixing cocktails. I'm the bartender in our family.

It is so much fun to entertain this way. I have a counter height foldable bar stool that I sit on so I can face our guests and I sit on the other side of the bar. I store that collapsible bar stool in the laundry room.

[ChicagoNative]

As far as practicality and functionality, The 2-tier countertops work better, imo. If your kitchen is just for show, then the single “big island” can look very sleek. Your mileage may vary.

[paulajr]

I just renovated my kitchen, removing a 2 tier granite countertop to put in a one level Quartz top. The one level makes a more open space, and it is beautiful! The light quartz really brightened up my kitchen.
The one difference that hasn't been mentioned is..as someone who loves to cook, I have a LOT of prep space now. When I make bread or a big meal, the one level counter gives me a great space for my mixer, and for all prep. Considering very few people in the Villages actually cook...I guess this is why they don't have any idea why the single tier would be so much better!

[Pmelo]

Who did your kitchen remodel?

[Paula]

Another negative for one level counters is when the sink is on the island, there's no back splash to contain the water, so it spreads on the back of the counter, which can be an issue for people sitting there. However, if you have a cooktop on the island, and have plenty of space on the back of it where people sit, this wouldn't be a problem. But I haven't seen any models with this layout (haven't seen any newer models lately anyway!). While I like the look of one level (pretty much the only plus), the two level still has plenty of room to cook and entertain, and looks great also.

[HappyRetired]

So I have a question on the counter height island--how deep is the counter? Ours is counter height and when we moved in I envisioned using it as a breakfast seating area. Never happened--we use a small table in the Florida room. I'm considering a remodel down the road and am thinking of making the island a bit smaller (closer to standard counter depth.)

[upstate]

We have a Foxglove CYV, one of the first things we did was to go from counter to bar height. It hides some of the mess you may have while preparing meals and we enjoy sitting at bar rather than counter height. I do think it does add some separation between the kitchen and dining area. When we have a neighborhood social, the food goes on the dining table and the high counter is used for desserts and or appetizers.

[valuemkt]

After reading all the comments, I have another take on these countertops.
It is beyond my thinking why these bar tops are built when the dining table is probably 5 feet away from the kitchen.
How many different places do Villagers need to sit at to eat when the bar and dining table are in such close proximity to one another.



Questions 2 was : "So I have a question on the counter height island--how deep is the counter?"

We did away with the "breakfast table".. to you point just steps away from counter island eating area and adjacent dining room table .. and of course lanai table .. and maybe even outdoor table .

We now have a 14 foot long counter height island that is 5 foot wide at the center and 4 foot at either end.. Most split counters have a usable 15 1/2" on top and 24" on bottom.

[rjm1cc]

Con #3 is a pro for me. Split level much much much better. Split also looks better in an open floor plan. But to each his own.

[upstate]

Bar height and counter height, if this helps. Please disregard the black lab fur on the floor. Good luck on your decision.

[Debfrommaine]

Have had counter height and now have bar height. The bar is about 10' long, lower counter about 25" deep, and top counter about 16" deep. This concept, as mentioned in other posts, does have a cleaner look and is efficient for us. We are likely going to sell our transition villa and will look for the bar height split in our next home, too. Good luck!

[vintageogauge]

Quartz is a great counter top. No maintenance needed which is what I like, unlike granite.

I've had granite in 3 homes starting in 1993, 26 years of granite and nothing more to do than wipe it down with a damp cloth and surfactant. Granite can also take very hot pans placed right on the counter with no damage unlike the resins in Quartz counter tops that will leave burn marks, you also have to be careful cooking with a crock pot on quartz and scratching it. We had a leftover piece of granite that we had framed into a cutting board placed next to our cooktop, used it for 13 years and never scratched it.

[vintageogauge]

I noticed on the Ivy model in Marsh Bend that they did away with the L shaped two level and replaced it with the lower single level counter that is not L snapped and they also removed the smaller Island and placed the counter back closer to the stove. It added more room to the living area (which is not needed in an Ivy) but reduced the room to work in the Kitchen. They have to do that to have room between the stools and sofa or chairs. With the L shape you can put 4 stools on the other end and still have full use of the living area.

[photo1902]

I've had granite in 3 homes starting in 1993, 26 years of granite and nothing more to do than wipe it down with a damp cloth and surfactant. Granite can also take very hot pans placed right on the counter with no damage unlike the resins in Quartz counter tops that will leave burn marks, you also have to be careful cooking with a crock pot on quartz and scratching it. We had a leftover piece of granite that we had framed into a cutting board placed next to our cooktop, used it for 13 years and never scratched it.

Ditto. I have the same experience with 20+ years of granite. I laugh when I hear people talk about all the “maintenance” required for its upkeep.

[coffeebean]

I guess I have been misinformed about the upkeep for granite.

[2newyorkers]

I've had granite in 3 homes starting in 1993, 26 years of granite and nothing more to do than wipe it down with a damp cloth and surfactant. Granite can also take very hot pans placed right on the counter with no damage unlike the resins in Quartz counter tops that will leave burn marks, you also have to be careful cooking with a crock pot on quartz and scratching it. We had a leftover piece of granite that we had framed into a cutting board placed next to our cooktop, used it for 13 years and never scratched it.

I have had a light colored quartz counter top for 15 years and I do not have a mark on it. And mine gets a lot of use with pots and pans and crockpot.

[coffeebean]

I have had a light colored quartz counter top for 15 years and I do not have a mark on it. And mine gets a lot of use with pots and pans and crockpot.

I thought so. My quartz counter top is only a couple of years old but it looks as good as it did the day it was installed. And I cook quite a bit.