Trailer Park being built next to The Villages

[Wing-nut2]

So, what so you think about this?

Two brothers of a longtime prominent Villages official are hoping to bring a large-scale RV park to the outskirts of Fruitland Park – just outside the walls of Florida’s Friendliest Hometown – and the city commission isn’t happy about it.

Paul and Tim Rohan, whose brother, John, is the recreation director for The Villages, are two of the four applicants hoping to build the Sun Recreational Vehicle Development park. It would be located on about 90 acres owned by the Burke family behind their now-defunct restaurant, Burke’s BBQ, at 311 County Road 466.
The park, which would include 631 RV spaces – many of them apparently would be permanent, mobile-home-type models – would be located on a portion of the land where Burke’s Tree Farm now sits. It would be directly behind the backyards of homes in The Villages located along the Sumter County line.
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[mamamia54]

It doesn’t open for me.

[kstew43]

checked on the web Sunkissed RV resort..Summerfield directly behind the RV Swap shop on 27
...looks great

[manaboutown]

Are you implying “There goes the neighborhood.”?

[kstew43]

Are you implying “There goes the neighborhood.”?

not me.....I think its going to be amazing for RVers

[Marathon Man]

...

[manaboutown]

not me.....I think its going to be amazing for RVers

So it is an upscale RV park. That is a horse of a different color!

[bagboy]

This seems to be another RV resort planned for Fruitland Park. The one being discussed now is behind Burkes BBQ and not too far east of Colony Center. I'm going to guess both projects will be nice additions to the area,

Developer planning 668-acre RV park near Fruitland Park - News - Daily Commercial - Leesburg, FL (https://www.dailycommercial.com/news/20180720/developer-planning-668-acre-rv-park-near-fruitland-park)

[Kilmacowen]

This seems to be another RV resort planned for Fruitland Park. The one being discussed now is behind Burkes BBQ and not too far east of Colony Center. I'm going to guess both projects will be nice additions to the area,

Developer planning 668-acre RV park near Fruitland Park - News - Daily Commercial - Leesburg, FL (https://www.dailycommercial.com/news/20180720/developer-planning-668-acre-rv-park-near-fruitland-park)

This is not behind Burkes, it's up 441 near Lake Griffin. There goes the squares.

[Topspinmo]

Yes, connected to the developers, I sure village amenities will be offered for free:popcorn:

[anothersteve]

This is not behind Burkes, it's up 441 near Lake Griffin. There goes the squares.

??

Steve

[tophcfa]

Yes, connected to the developers, I sure village amenities will be offered for free:popcorn:

I hope you are joking, because if that is true it would not be funny?

[Serenoa]

Yes, connected to the developers, I sure village amenities will be offered for free:popcorn:

The article says "a developer", not THE DEVELOPER. The Morse family is not involved.

[Velvet]

Is this what you’re referring to:

“Paul and Tim Rohan, whose brother, John, is the recreation director for The Villages, are two of the four applicants hoping to build the Sun Recreational Vehicle Development park. It would be located on about 90 acres owned by the Burke family behind their now-defunct restaurant, Burke’s BBQ, at 311 County Road 466. The other applicants are Carl Curly and Daniel Gibbs.” From the newspaper?

[Wing-nut2]

The one I'm talking about is taking over Burkes Tree Farm beside Publix at Colony Plaza.

Two brothers of a longtime prominent Villages official are hoping to bring a large-scale RV park to the outskirts of Fruitland Park – just outside the walls of Florida’s Friendliest Hometown – and the city commission isn’t happy about it.

Paul and Tim Rohan, whose brother, John, is the recreation director for The Villages, are two of the four applicants hoping to build the Sun Recreational Vehicle Development park. It would be located on about 90 acres owned by the Burke family behind their now-defunct restaurant, Burke’s BBQ, at 311 County Road 466.
The park, which would include 631 RV spaces – many of them apparently would be permanent, mobile-home-type models – would be located on a portion of the land where Burke’s Tree Farm now sits. It would be directly behind the backyards of homes in The Villages located along the Sumter County line.

[Kilmacowen]

There are electric utility lines that run behind houses there, at a good distance away.

[vintageogauge]

They are also building one in Leesburg on Rt. 44 just east of The plaza at the Rohan Rec. Center. and enlarging the one on 44 west of 301 in Wildwood. Lots of people coming to town.

[Martian]

Yes, connected to the developers, I sure village amenities will be offered for free:popcorn:

Oh, I am sure they will not be "offered", hinted at - wink wink, nod nod...

[Velvet]

If they go ahead that should change who will buy in TV in the future probably effect the prices of homes too.

[Villageswimmer]

The one I'm talking about is taking over Burkes Tree Farm beside Publix at Colony Plaza.

Two brothers of a longtime prominent Villages official are hoping to bring a large-scale RV park to the outskirts of Fruitland Park – just outside the walls of Florida’s Friendliest Hometown – and the city commission isn’t happy about it.

Paul and Tim Rohan, whose brother, John, is the recreation director for The Villages, are two of the four applicants hoping to build the Sun Recreational Vehicle Development park. It would be located on about 90 acres owned by the Burke family behind their now-defunct restaurant, Burke’s BBQ, at 311 County Road 466.
The park, which would include 631 RV spaces – many of them apparently would be permanent, mobile-home-type models – would be located on a portion of the land where Burke’s Tree Farm now sits. It would be directly behind the backyards of homes in The Villages located along the Sumter County line.


What city commission “isn’t happy about it?” Fruitland Park? If so, why was it approved or hasn’t it been? Very confusing.

[bagboy]

This is not behind Burkes, it's up 441 near Lake Griffin. There goes the squares.

Read what I said... I commented and posted about Another RV resort, for a total of 2.:ohdear:

[graciegirl]

Oh, I am sure they will not be "offered", hinted at - wink wink, nod nod...

I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean that the people who are building the area that will have modular homes will offer to have Village amenities? They CAN'T because it will not be part of The Villages.

Do you mean that the Morse family or organization is trying to pull one over on us?

Do you think areas that have modular homes on them are all cut from the same cloth?

Do you think all apartments in New York are the same?

Do you think all real estate owned by a prominent member of the U.S. Government was gained by illicit means?

Didn't you just move here?

[CFrance]

I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean that the people who are building the area that will have modular homes will offer to have Village amenities? They CAN'T because it will not be part of The Villages.

Do you mean that the Morse family or organization is trying to pull one over on us?

Do you think areas that have modular homes on them are all cut from the same cloth?

Do you think all apartments in New York are the same?

Do you think all real estate owned by a prominent member of the U.S. Government was gained by illicit means?

Didn't you just move here?
I think he means the RV spots will be advertised as "Close to all the amenities of The Villages!" the way other developments have advertised.

[skyking]

What city commission “isn’t happy about it?” Fruitland Park? If so, why was it approved or hasn’t it been? Very confusing.

It is not in the city of Fruitland Park. It is in unincorporated Lake County. The county is reviewing the proposed development and has asked Fruitland Park for their opinion. City leaders are opposed but do not have direct control because the property is in the county.

[Yung Dum]

Come on, folks. If you're worried about this-don't. Enjoy what you've got and let others do the same.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Come on, folks. If you're worried about this-don't. Enjoy what you've got and let others do the same.

Therein lies the concern:

Enjoy what you've got, and let others "do the same" = enjoy what YOU've got.

The more the merrier, until everyone who isn't paying for the privilege, incurs wear, tear, damage, crowding, congestion - and they raise the price of admission for everyone who IS paying for the privilege, so that the others can get what YOU've got for free.

Whether that's actual amenity-fee amenities, or maintenance fees, or infrastructure costs. If Villagers are footing the bill for it, then the Villagers absolutely should be concerned, and have a say.

If they're not the only ones footing the bill, then all's fair in love and happy hour lines. If it's unclear who is paying the bill, then it should be made clear.

[graciegirl]

Yes, connected to the developers, I sure village amenities will be offered for free:popcorn:

The name of this "developer" is Steve Lumbert.

He can't offer Villages amenities.

[graciegirl]

Therein lies the concern:

Enjoy what you've got, and let others "do the same" = enjoy what YOU've got.

The more the merrier, until everyone who isn't paying for the privilege, incurs wear, tear, damage, crowding, congestion - and they raise the price of admission for everyone who IS paying for the privilege, so that the others can get what YOU've got for free.

Whether that's actual amenity-fee amenities, or maintenance fees, or infrastructure costs. If Villagers are footing the bill for it, then the Villagers absolutely should be concerned, and have a say.

If they're not the only ones footing the bill, then all's fair in love and happy hour lines. If it's unclear who is paying the bill, then it should be made clear.

Villagers don't vote on things like this. Never did, never have. This is a CDD. This a large area run as a private business. I like the way it is run.

[vintageogauge]

The apartments and single family homes that are in the works outside of The Villages proper is more concerning as far as traffic, crowds, etc. as those residents will be year long vs the RV parks that will cater mostly to winter residents. The good thing is a larger population will result in more retail and restaurants, etc. TV though will eventually have to come up with a better way to keep non-residents from using the amenities that we pay for and have to be residents to enjoy. Has anyone ever been asked for an ID at a dog park for example.

[dewilson58]

Come on, folks. If you're worried about this-don't. Enjoy what you've got and let others do the same.




Agree.




So many times I only get one pickle on my cheeseburger and you don't hear me complain about it.


Plus, you don't here me complain about the Designer Homes next to my million dollar Premier Home with expensive cars in my oversized garage.


:ohdear:

[Yung Dum]

Therein lies the concern:

Enjoy what you've got, and let others "do the same" = enjoy what YOU've got.

The more the merrier, until everyone who isn't paying for the privilege, incurs wear, tear, damage, crowding, congestion - and they raise the price of admission for everyone who IS paying for the privilege, so that the others can get what YOU've got for free.

Whether that's actual amenity-fee amenities, or maintenance fees, or infrastructure costs. If Villagers are footing the bill for it, then the Villagers absolutely should be concerned, and have a say.

If they're not the only ones footing the bill, then all's fair in love and happy hour lines. If it's unclear who is paying the bill, then it should be made clear.

No one knows if they're getting a free ride or not. Don't assume the worst. Knowing the Villages dictators, they're not getting something for nothing.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The apartments and single family homes that are in the works outside of The Villages proper is more concerning as far as traffic, crowds, etc. as those residents will be year long vs the RV parks that will cater mostly to winter residents. The good thing is a larger population will result in more retail and restaurants, etc. TV though will eventually have to come up with a better way to keep non-residents from using the amenities that we pay for and have to be residents to enjoy. Has anyone ever been asked for an ID at a dog park for example.

Apartments and single family homes outside the Villages aren't being built by the brother(s) of the Villages Director of Recreation. If you follow the posts in this thread, you'll see the discussion that you're responding to, is about this concern that the relative of a high-ranking "official-type person of great influence" of the Villages, is responsible for creating this new RV park, which will be in close proximity to actual Villages property.

I personally think it's a great idea, and I doubt there will be perks in it for RV owners that they won't have to pay for. But I don't know, and unless someone here has information to the contrary, no one else knows either.

[Velvet]

Apartments and single family homes outside the Villages aren't being built by the brother(s) of the Villages Director of Recreation. If you follow the posts in this thread, you'll see the discussion that you're responding to, is about this concern that the relative of a high-ranking "official-type person of great influence" of the Villages, is responsible for creating this new RV park, which will be in close proximity to actual Villages property.

Exactly.

[graciegirl]

Agree.




So many times I only get one pickle on my cheeseburger and you don't hear me complain about it.


Plus, you don't here me complain about the Designer Homes next to my million dollar Premier Home with expensive cars in my oversized garage.


:ohdear:

De. I am sorry about the one pickle. The rest is just you pullin' on our legs.

[Midnight Cowgirl]

Regardless of exactly what it is or where it is, it won't be any worse than the storage facility adjacent to some of the TV homes that border some TV homes on 466A and Micro Racetrack Rd.

Why the big stink? Ridiculous!
I'd be willing to bet those residents who are complaining never complained about this kind of thing where they previously lived.

[kpd3062]

I think the villages is missing out. They could have made an upscale RV park part of the villages to get a portion of that market. Many of the RVs cost more than a house. I guess TV doesn't really need it, they have all the business they need. I think a lot of RVers would love to have access to all the amenities.

[Northwoods]

I have no idea but I can't believe the RV park would have golf cart access to The Villages. That is, unless they have to pay amenities fees etc. It will be interesting to watch.

[Velvet]

The Villagers are currently “missing out”;

On traffic especially during Snowbird season,
Line ups for restaurants, they are just too short sometimes,
Congestion in stores and parking lots,
No seats or parking at the squares,
Tee times, if the RV people were allowed to play,
Lessons now the wait is only one hour in the winter, why not make it 2 hours,
The value of our homes dropping.
And so on....

Actually, I don’t think they can use the amenities we pay for, but will they try to sneak in to our pools and other things, human nature being what it is.

If I had wanted to share my neighborhood pool etc I may just as well forget about TV and stay in the city. Get the crowds and noise here all the time already.

[billethkid]

My first suggestion is to rename the thread using RV Park instead of trailer park.

Secondly I wonder how many posting here have ever been in an RV park.

The allegations the RV park would be a way for low income housing to "...creep in..." is a misdirected opinion. Entitled to it? Yes! Appropriate to the subject at hand? IMHO....no.

Most rigs in most RV parks are significantly more costly than many "low income" neighborhoods.

Bring it on. It will not affect the life style or values, real or perceived of any residents in TV!!

[Wing-nut2]

"many of them apparently would be permanent, mobile-home-type models"
Read what is says. This is not just a RV Park.

[Velvet]

The problem is not low income RV people, they do not own the land and have little vested interest in up keeping it, I was an RVer myself at one time. Fun way to see the world. The problem is overcrowding. People are sold the idea of Lifestyle in TV and that is clawed away bit by bit by selling the same thing to too many people. How are TV people and their areas protected from nonTV individuals? Because it looks to me they come to eat at the trough as often as possible. I would like to see security measures in place for the owners in TV to protect our Lifestyle.

[Bogie Shooter]

The problem is not low income RV people, they do not own the land and have little vested interest in up keeping it, I was an RVer myself at one time. Fun way to see the world. The problem is overcrowding. People are sold the idea of Lifestyle in TV and that is clawed away bit by bit by selling the same thing to too many people. How are TV people and their areas protected from nonTV individuals? Because it looks to me they come to eat at the trough as often as possible. I would like to see security measures in place for the owners in TV to protect our Lifestyle.

Wow!
What would you suggest?

[Velvet]

Like at hotels swipe the Villagers ID to get into places such as pools? Have a limit on how many non Villagers can use amenities? I guess the squares are free for all, etc. Maybe the great growth in number of people will justify public transportation finally?

[Velvet]

I bought 6 months ago, relatives bought 30 years ago. While the sky is not falling, sadness grows as the disregard for TV lifestyle becomes more clear with the constant increasing of crowding.

[Two Bills]

The Villagers are currently “missing out”;

On traffic especially during Snowbird season,
Line ups for restaurants, they are just too short sometimes,
Congestion in stores and parking lots,
No seats or parking at the squares,
Tee times, if the RV people were allowed to play,
Lessons now the wait is only one hour in the winter, why not make it 2 hours,
The value of our homes dropping.
And so on....

Actually, I don’t think they can use the amenities we pay for, but will they try to sneak in to our pools and other things, human nature being what it is.

If I had wanted to share my neighborhood pool etc I may just as well forget about TV and stay in the city. Get the crowds and noise here all the time already.

Talk about, now I am a resident, please shut the door!

Are you sure TV is for you? :ohdear:

[Velvet]

Was born for it! Yep, you’re right.... just not a patsy.

[Finfan]

Then should The Village residents Never go outside of The Villages to shop or eat????

[graciegirl]

The problem is not low income RV people, they do not own the land and have little vested interest in up keeping it, I was an RVer myself at one time. Fun way to see the world. The problem is overcrowding. People are sold the idea of Lifestyle in TV and that is clawed away bit by bit by selling the same thing to too many people. How are TV people and their areas protected from nonTV individuals? Because it looks to me they come to eat at the trough as often as possible. I would like to see security measures in place for the owners in TV to protect our Lifestyle.

Florida's population has grown in the last ten years and Florida now is the third most populous state, behind California and Texas as I am sure you know. Along with the people who own here is a swell of population from people who visit here during the high season; January, February and March. This makes businesses go looking for people to handle the seasonal visitors and creates problems and not so great solutions sometimes.

It isn't JUST the area we live in that is growing. All of Florida is.

[GatorFan]

Therein lies the concern:

Enjoy what you've got, and let others "do the same" = enjoy what YOU've got.

The more the merrier, until everyone who isn't paying for the privilege, incurs wear, tear, damage, crowding, congestion - and they raise the price of admission for everyone who IS paying for the privilege, so that the others can get what YOU've got for free.

Whether that's actual amenity-fee amenities, or maintenance fees, or infrastructure costs. If Villagers are footing the bill for it, then the Villagers absolutely should be concerned, and have a say.

If they're not the only ones footing the bill, then all's fair in love and happy hour lines. If it's unclear who is paying the bill, then it should be made clear.


I like how you state you are footing the bill. The rest of Sumter County knows exactly how you feel. We have been footing the bill for over 30 years that we have not benefited from.

[Two Bills]

Then should The Village residents Never go outside of The Villages to shop or eat????

Never. Best stay indoors. There are people out there!:shocked:

[Velvet]

Yes, Gracie, as always your advice is so welcome. I was thinking of TV as my home, ok, a small part of TV. And just as one’s household does not increase because say, Florida’s population increases .... TV has a history and a charm and a fun factor which we need to protect, in my opinion. I understand that sales etc benefit from more and more people but what about the rest of us?

[Two Bills]

Yes, Gracie, as always your advice is so welcome. I was thinking of TV as my home, ok, a small part of TV. And just as one’s household does not increase because say, Florida’s population increases .... TV has a history and a charm and a fun factor which we need to protect, in my opinion. I understand that sales etc benefit from more and more people but what about the rest of us?

Until you became an 'Us' six months ago, you were one of 'them!'
My wife and I have been two of 'them' for over 20 years, and have noticed how the newer 'Us's' have become more intolerant than the older 'Us's in recent years as the population has grown!

[graciegirl]

The problem is not low income RV people, they do not own the land and have little vested interest in up keeping it, I was an RVer myself at one time. Fun way to see the world. The problem is overcrowding. People are sold the idea of Lifestyle in TV and that is clawed away bit by bit by selling the same thing to too many people. How are TV people and their areas protected from nonTV individuals? Because it looks to me they come to eat at the trough as often as possible. I would like to see security measures in place for the owners in TV to protect our Lifestyle.

The public areas of The Villages are open to all. Our safety from crime is protected by the law enforcement people in the areas we live in, for instance; Sumter County Sheriff, Marion County Sheriff, Lake County Sheriff and Lady Lake Police and Fruitland Park Police etc. etc. etc. Our Lifestyle, which is very hard to define is protected by the CDD which ultimately is the developer in some shape or form via the deed restrictions put in place on our property, the availability of recreation facilities and activities and the maintenance of the common areas.

We, as individuals can further protect our safety with surveillance cameras, being alert to any person who may be a threat, and some take classes on owning an using a gun. The Villages watch is a help in my opinion,( but not everyone agrees,) by the watch patrolling the streets constantly.

Our crime is very low and our satisfaction is very high and I like it the way it is. She said. It don't get much better than this. She said. We live like millionaires used to, no matter what size our home. She said. If it ain't broke. Don't fix it. She said. If you look for trouble and dirt you will assuredly find it. She said. The glass is half full. She said. It is another beautiful day in The Villages. She said.

[Velvet]

I chose the wrong word ‘security’ not as in personal safety, I do feel safe in TV, I do not carry because I prefer not to go somewhere where that is necessary.

I meant to safe guard our Lifestyle in TV, our quality of life by not overcrowding pools, lessons, golf courses, pickle ball courts, the streets, the squares, the theaters etc. Crowds impinge on our quality of life.

[billethkid]

I bought 6 months ago, relatives bought 30 years ago. While the sky is not falling, sadness grows as the disregard for TV lifestyle becomes more clear with the constant increasing of crowding.

Really!!??!!
We have lived here 16 years. We have experienced TV growing to three times bigger than it was (then 35,000).
We have experienced nothing but improvement in the lifestyle as TV continues to achieve differing levels of critical mass, sufficient to attract national companies to open businesses here.

Crowding!!!! Where have you gone where it is worth going, nice enough to either want to come back or stay.....that was not crowded? Not much.

Most of us know it is significantly better than where we came from....why else would we be here.

There are pros and cons about any subject.
Me? My opinion?
The lifestyle we bought into 16 years ago has only increased in value by almost any measure one wants to use.

And yes we do and will continue to respect and duly note minority reports.

[Velvet]

If you like crowds I bet you are either in sales or in the minority. Not many people like going to the pool and not finding a chair to sit on, going to the square not finding a place to park, going to a restaurant and have to wait an hour to be served etc etc.

I agree that with more amenities the lifestyle kept improving in TV. I have watched it since 1996 when my parents bought. But now what I see coming is more and more people. And I am looking at who that benefits.

[BobnBev]

The problem is not low income RV people, they do not own the land and have little vested interest in up keeping it, I was an RVer myself at one time. Fun way to see the world. The problem is overcrowding. People are sold the idea of Lifestyle in TV and that is clawed away bit by bit by selling the same thing to too many people. How are TV people and their areas protected from nonTV individuals? Because it looks to me they come to eat at the trough as often as possible. I would like to see security measures in place for the owners in TV to protect our Lifestyle.

If "they" eat at the trough, "they" are spending money. Business kinda like that. As far as low income people owning RV's, mine was $565,000 and was better equipped than most homes. Every time I stopped for diesel fuel, it was anywhere from $500 to $800. Can't tell you how much I spent on RV parks/campgrounds, but they don't come cheap.:popcorn:

[billethkid]

If you like crowds I bet you are either in sales or in the minority. Not many people like going to the pool and not finding a chair to sit on, going to the square not finding a place to park, going to a restaurant and have to wait an hour to be served etc etc.

I agree that with more amenities the lifestyle kept improving in TV. I have watched it since 1996 when my parents bought. But now what I see coming is more and more people. And I am looking at who that benefits.

Not in sales and definitely not in the minority.
What is being described is the exception and not the rule.
Many, many hours per day that the acc
omodations are under utilized.

Maybe you can share us with what benefits have been lost since 1996.

[Velvet]

Yep, RVs not cheap. Ours had a room at the back for 2 motorcycles too. As I said the problem is not ...low income RVers, because most of them have very good income if they have an RV too.... the permanent trailer park people I don’t know, never lived in a trailer park myself. The problem is not their income, but their numbers. I did not buy a home in TV to subsidize businesses, sorry.

[Velvet]

Traffic was a biggy, lack of parking, overcrowding at the squares etc that was during Snowbird season, in the summer it was much more pleasant. Hubby tends to go anywhere only during low crowd times and we don’t go at all if there is a lineup.

[Bogie Shooter]

I like how you state you are footing the bill. The rest of Sumter County knows exactly how you feel. We have been footing the bill for over 30 years that we have not benefited from.

How about all the jobs that have been created? Seems like that has benefited the rest of Sumter County.

[Bogie Shooter]

Yes, Gracie, as always your advice is so welcome. I was thinking of TV as my home, ok, a small part of TV. And just as one’s household does not increase because say, Florida’s population increases .... TV has a history and a charm and a fun factor which we need to protect, in my opinion. I understand that sales etc benefit from more and more people but what about the rest of us?

Until you became an 'Us' six months ago, you were one of 'them!'
My wife and I have been two of 'them' for over 20 years, and have noticed how the newer 'Us's' have become more intolerant than the older 'Us's in recent years as the population has grown!
Well said!

[Velvet]

I’m pretty sure I speak for many as far as crowding goes, shall we have a referendum? And there is no such thing as an opinion holding water. I think you meant my arguments don’t hold water. However, out of curtesy, I will bow to your greater wisdom. Things are great so far, otherwise I would not have chosen TV from anywhere else. May it continue.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The increased population definitely has an impact, for those of us who have visited sporadically over several years, before finally buying a home here. Just like the frog in the pot who doesn't realize he's being slowly boiled alive, people who are accustomed to gradual increases don't realize how crowded it is.

The town squares in the evenings are a prime example. Traffic is horrible. It was crowded, 10 years ago. But now it's SO crowded that I find it safer to not even drive INTO the square to look for a parking space anymore. Instead I go to the nearest parking lot behind the square, park near the back of the lot, and walk the couple of blocks. Drink huts at the squares didn't usually have a line to the street. Now they do.

There are still only 2 -completed- town squares to accommodate the entirety of the Villages. Brownwood still has a lot of vacancies. Call it half a square. That's 2.5 squares to accommodate over 100,000 Villagers, plus visitors of Villagers, plus people who are from the towns and neighborhoods outside the Villages and just want to shop here or eat here, plus employees.

Granted you won't see everyone all trying to go to the squares at the same time every night. But when there's a "big event" the crowds are much larger now than they were then, because there are simply more people, and the accommodations have not increased enough to handle it.

Golf cart bridges, trails, tunnels, paths, sometime back up now. Forget about trying to get to Sumter Landing from Spanish Springs by golf cart if you happen to be behind the bicycle club. That club has grown so large you'd be lucky to get there in the time you could have just walked. Happened to me a few months ago - there were over 20 cyclists riding in a cluster, two abreast, not leaving any room for a golf cart to safely pass without ****ing off a faster-moving car trying to get past the mess too.

This is all just increased congestion caused by higher density of the population.

Florida, Texas, and California might well be the most populous states. But of the three, only Florida is even ON the top-10 list of DENSITY. How many people per square mile. Texas is enormous so if it had even twice the population of New York City, it still wouldn't have the congestion problems NYC has.

New Jersey has the highest density - 1210 people per square mile.
Compare to Florida, which is in 8th place: 378 people per square mile.

Now compare the state of Florida at 378 people per square mile - to The Villages: 1670. That's right. The Villages, Florida, has more people in it per square mile than Florida itself, and in fact, more people per square mile than the front-runner for density, New Jersey.

Now let's scale that back a bit and compare it more generously, to a northern county. New Haven is 1427 people per square mile. The Villages, which is smaller in geographical size, has more people in it than the entire county of New Haven, CT.

Now we want to add the inhabitants of a new RV park to the congestion. Morse and Buena Vista, 466, 44, all those other main roads - are public roads. Non-Villagers use them daily to get back and forth from point A to point B. The more people you squeeze onto those roads, the more difficult it will be for the people whose community was built in a circle around them. Should be interesting when the people come, and the new supermarkets to handle the crowds aren't built or completed yet, and all of a sudden people who buy frozen foods start discovering their ice cream is thawing out in the shopping cart while they wait til their turn at the overcrowded register.

[mermaids]

Do they mean travelers or permanent parking? Sorry, just curious if it'll be more like a mobile home park or RV's passing thru.

[billethkid]

Maybe it is not the frog in the pot theory at all. That is one view.

How about one that lives here continuously year round/year in and year out develops a pattern of how they live their life style here. And the increasing populations has little or no impact how they conduct their daily lives. Because most of the "needs" are decentralized i.e. swimming pools, mail stations, rec centers, regional rec centers, shopping centers, country clubs, golf courses, etc, etc, etc.
Folks sort of develop their bubble within the bubble.

We find if we are flexible we can participate in almost anything by not going at peak times....for example it seems many, many eat dinner between 4:30 and 6:30 pm....we go to dinner at 6 pm....rarely have much of a wait.
Tee times.....in 16 years anytime of the year we have never not gotten a tee time on the day we want to play.

And so on.

So I do believe that living here year around yields a different perspective and expectation VS a sampling of visiting every so often.

When South of 466A evolves like it did to 466 and and then on to 466A there will be more services/entertainment/shopping/etc/etc.

IMHO!

[Carla B]

I like Jazuela's essay about density per square mile. Makes me nostalgic: where I grew up in the West, there were only five people to the square mile...my mother, father, two brothers, and me. Life was simpler there, if harsher.

BTK is right, you've got to be flexible here.

[manaboutown]

I like Jazuela's essay about density per square mile. Makes me nostalgic: where I grew up in the West, there were only five people to the square mile...my mother, father, two brothers, and me. Life was simpler there, if harsher.

BTK is right, you've got to be flexible here.

I can relate. In NM where I grew up, there are at present only 17 people per square mile. There were probably less than half that when I grew up there.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Population density can be a real hassle. My home town is a pretty typical suburb in New England. Or was. We had our little strip-malls, a couple of nice supermarkets, a couple of bodegas, and most kids lived in walking distance to the nearest elementary school, and therefore - walked, most days. The area around the high school had the most congestion, but even then it was still just a 4-lane road, 2 in each direction, a state road, with the "magic mile" of small stores plus a Caldor's and a Bradlee's on one side, a Sears and a couple of car dealerships on the other side. We usually climbed the wall behind the high school to the plaza for pizza slices at lunch time instead of buying at the cafeteria in the school.

Fast forward 20 years - the wall has been made unclimbable. Since you only get 40 minutes for lunch at the school, it's no longer possible to leave the property for lunch. The lunch-time lines at the restaurants in the plaza are too long and you'd end up missing your next class. Trying to walk across the street if you live in the nearby neighborhood is dangerous, even with the double-walk light. Forget about riding your bicycle on the main road now, it's been changed to a 4-lane with center left-turn lanes and merges into two more shopping plazas on the right.

If you are driving near the school when it lets out in the afternoon, be prepared to be stuck for almost 10 minutes while the buses leave the lot. It used to be less than 5 minutes. No one walks to school anymore because they've condensed the schools, so the before and after school hour, you just have to accept that you might be stopping every 4 houses for the next half hour while the bus in front of you lets one kid off in front of his home.

Why all of this? Because of development. They turned the top of the hill over the plaza into a 2-mile stretch of apartments and condos. They surrounded the outskirts of this area with more condos and apartments. They've developed closer to the downtown area with more condos, more apartments, and more university dormitories (it used to be a small college).

It's dangerous now, because of the congestion. Many more accidents. Most people came to the town 30, 40 years ago because it was just a suburb, a sprawling bedroom town of New Haven, with a few nice-sized farms, a dairy, and working class, lower-middle and middle class homes, with just a small section of mansions on a side road.

Now, it's just a congested mess with ridiculously high taxes to pay for all the road repairs needed because of the added traffic.

[graciegirl]

The increased population definitely has an impact, for those of us who have visited sporadically over several years, before finally buying a home here. Just like the frog in the pot who doesn't realize he's being slowly boiled alive, people who are accustomed to gradual increases don't realize how crowded it is.

The town squares in the evenings are a prime example. Traffic is horrible. It was crowded, 10 years ago. But now it's SO crowded that I find it safer to not even drive INTO the square to look for a parking space anymore. Instead I go to the nearest parking lot behind the square, park near the back of the lot, and walk the couple of blocks. Drink huts at the squares didn't usually have a line to the street. Now they do.

There are still only 2 -completed- town squares to accommodate the entirety of the Villages. Brownwood still has a lot of vacancies. Call it half a square. That's 2.5 squares to accommodate over 100,000 Villagers, plus visitors of Villagers, plus people who are from the towns and neighborhoods outside the Villages and just want to shop here or eat here, plus employees.

Granted you won't see everyone all trying to go to the squares at the same time every night. But when there's a "big event" the crowds are much larger now than they were then, because there are simply more people, and the accommodations have not increased enough to handle it.

Golf cart bridges, trails, tunnels, paths, sometime back up now. Forget about trying to get to Sumter Landing from Spanish Springs by golf cart if you happen to be behind the bicycle club. That club has grown so large you'd be lucky to get there in the time you could have just walked. Happened to me a few months ago - there were over 20 cyclists riding in a cluster, two abreast, not leaving any room for a golf cart to safely pass without ****ing off a faster-moving car trying to get past the mess too.

This is all just increased congestion caused by higher density of the population.

Florida, Texas, and California might well be the most populous states. But of the three, only Florida is even ON the top-10 list of DENSITY. How many people per square mile. Texas is enormous so if it had even twice the population of New York City, it still wouldn't have the congestion problems NYC has.

New Jersey has the highest density - 1210 people per square mile.
Compare to Florida, which is in 8th place: 378 people per square mile.

Now compare the state of Florida at 378 people per square mile - to The Villages: 1670. That's right. The Villages, Florida, has more people in it per square mile than Florida itself, and in fact, more people per square mile than the front-runner for density, New Jersey.

Now let's scale that back a bit and compare it more generously, to a northern county. New Haven is 1427 people per square mile. The Villages, which is smaller in geographical size, has more people in it than the entire county of New Haven, CT.

Now we want to add the inhabitants of a new RV park to the congestion. Morse and Buena Vista, 466, 44, all those other main roads - are public roads. Non-Villagers use them daily to get back and forth from point A to point B. The more people you squeeze onto those roads, the more difficult it will be for the people whose community was built in a circle around them. Should be interesting when the people come, and the new supermarkets to handle the crowds aren't built or completed yet, and all of a sudden people who buy frozen foods start discovering their ice cream is thawing out in the shopping cart while they wait til their turn at the overcrowded register.

The influx of population in this area has been happening steadily since we moved here in 2006. There were complaints at first that there were empty places in Lake Sumter Landing Square and the Publix at Colony was swamped. We lived here before there was a Sams, a Michaels, a Joannes, and a myriad of other welcomed businesses. I have listened and read complaints that the businesses were not meeting the needs and most were blaming the developer for not "putting" them here when they were needed. The Free Market slowly but surely filled the need. The Villages is such a successful enterprise that it's growth is unprecedented but finally demographers are aware of us and businesses interested in getting in on the success of this place are coming.

Trying to stop people from moving here is laughable. You and I both moved here for similar reasons that new people will come.

I am wondering how anybody would stop the RV park from being, I don't know.

Florida and The Villages are always crowded during the high season. We will have to wait at the restaurants, have trouble parking at the groceries, not be able to find seats at the squares and have congestion on the roads.

What exactly Jazuela would you do to stop the congestion here during the high season??? Or anywhere in the snowbird season?

Problems from snowbird season - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=Problems%20%20from%20snowbird%20season%20&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=problems%20from%20snowbird%20season%20&sc=0-30&sk=&cvid=8B38346931E247068BC1408EB33DDFA9)

Snowbirds are people too.....except we call the ones in Fruitland Park, fruit flies.

Sorry. ;)

[Nucky]

Trailer Park being built next to The Villages
So, what so you think about this? This was the OP'S question.

We have learned that this is not a Villages sponsored Development even though ties to Villages employees have been made. Given all the discussion I think it's FANTASTIC. The High Season and The Migratory Humanoids are what make our Community Great. Bring them on. I can't wait to see our missing neighbors or should I say the neighbors I miss. They are the greatest. I swear that we have never been held up in any line or hit heavier traffic when everyone comes back. We learned quickly to manage our time properly and so far have not called out the WAAAAMMBULANCE and don't expect to over the newest development OUTSIDE The Villages. I like all the development, can you imagine if we were like Lehigh Acres was some years back? That would be a reason to shed a tear!

[mowdie]

The increased population definitely has an impact, for those of us who have visited sporadically over several years, before finally buying a home here. Just like the frog in the pot who doesn't realize he's being slowly boiled alive, people who are accustomed to gradual increases don't realize how crowded it is.

The town squares in the evenings are a prime example. Traffic is horrible. It was crowded, 10 years ago. But now it's SO crowded that I find it safer to not even drive INTO the square to look for a parking space anymore. Instead I go to the nearest parking lot behind the square, park near the back of the lot, and walk the couple of blocks. Drink huts at the squares didn't usually have a line to the street. Now they do.

There are still only 2 -completed- town squares to accommodate the entirety of the Villages. Brownwood still has a lot of vacancies. Call it half a square. That's 2.5 squares to accommodate over 100,000 Villagers, plus visitors of Villagers, plus people who are from the towns and neighborhoods outside the Villages and just want to shop here or eat here, plus employees.

Granted you won't see everyone all trying to go to the squares at the same time every night. But when there's a "big event" the crowds are much larger now than they were then, because there are simply more people, and the accommodations have not increased enough to handle it.

Golf cart bridges, trails, tunnels, paths, sometime back up now. Forget about trying to get to Sumter Landing from Spanish Springs by golf cart if you happen to be behind the bicycle club. That club has grown so large you'd be lucky to get there in the time you could have just walked. Happened to me a few months ago - there were over 20 cyclists riding in a cluster, two abreast, not leaving any room for a golf cart to safely pass without ****ing off a faster-moving car trying to get past the mess too.

This is all just increased congestion caused by higher density of the population.

Florida, Texas, and California might well be the most populous states. But of the three, only Florida is even ON the top-10 list of DENSITY. How many people per square mile. Texas is enormous so if it had even twice the population of New York City, it still wouldn't have the congestion problems NYC has.

New Jersey has the highest density - 1210 people per square mile.
Compare to Florida, which is in 8th place: 378 people per square mile.

Now compare the state of Florida at 378 people per square mile - to The Villages: 1670. That's right. The Villages, Florida, has more people in it per square mile than Florida itself, and in fact, more people per square mile than the front-runner for density, New Jersey.

Now let's scale that back a bit and compare it more generously, to a northern county. New Haven is 1427 people per square mile. The Villages, which is smaller in geographical size, has more people in it than the entire county of New Haven, CT.

Now we want to add the inhabitants of a new RV park to the congestion. Morse and Buena Vista, 466, 44, all those other main roads - are public roads. Non-Villagers use them daily to get back and forth from point A to point B. The more people you squeeze onto those roads, the more difficult it will be for the people whose community was built in a circle around them. Should be interesting when the people come, and the new supermarkets to handle the crowds aren't built or completed yet, and all of a sudden people who buy frozen foods start discovering their ice cream is thawing out in the shopping cart while they wait til their turn at the overcrowded register.

Unlimited guest passes... we all know the large amount of amenities they are entitled to even though so many are actually not guest of TV residents. That is if your definition of “guest” is actually a guest at your house.... so I can get multiple 30 day guest passes for a couple I barely know RVing in Florida January thru March or renting a house outside of TV... after many years here I hv never seen or knew of any village friends or neighbors actually having guest stay with them in their house for very long especially not 30 days...

[OlifOlif]

What will the blend be made of...?

[Skunky1]

Live and let live. The villages don’t own everything .

[linurban]

Hope we haven't forgotten that the original "Villages" was mobile homes....We owe our "Lifestyle" to them.

[Two Bills]

As many get wealthier, they forget which end of the ladder they started climbing from!

[ELINOR LEVITT]

At the rate The Villages is growing I think greed has taken over motivation. The Charter schools populations are outgrowing their space... the class sizes are equal to those of the inner city schools. There are more more shops and restaurants than needed. Thank goodness the Burke's BarBQ failed...it was really below the standard Villagers want and deserve... A trailer park so close to The Villages custom built homes will lower the homes resale value and add too many residents to our population. DO NOT ALLOW the Rohan family to profit from their influential family name by lowering the standards The Villages has maintained for all these years.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

At the rate The Villages is growing I think greed has taken over motivation. The Charter schools populations are outgrowing their space... the class sizes are equal to those of the inner city schools. There are more more shops and restaurants than needed. Thank goodness the Burke's BarBQ failed...it was really below the standard Villagers want and deserve... A trailer park so close to The Villages custom built homes will lower the homes resale value and add too many residents to our population. DO NOT ALLOW the Rohan family to profit from their influential family name by lowering the standards The Villages has maintained for all these years.

1. The Villages started out as a trailer park.
2. The original trailer park is still in operation, and is still the Villages, and is still a beautiful place to live.
3. The RV park won't be a trailer park. It'll be an RV camp that also has some permanent structures.
4. The issue isn't the haves vs. the haves-nots. It's the congestion of overdevelopment in an already overdeveloped area, which already has started showing signs of wear and tear as a result of the already-existing overdevelopment and congestion - and the fact that renters don't pay taxes - so RV camp tenants won't have to pay for any of that wear and tear.

[bdaball]

Great news...!

[thevillagernie]

just like most places ... there property they can do what they want

[rustyp]

It will be called Recreation Plantation South. There is your preview good or bad.

[Bigjoe505]

As a wise man once said, " strong fences makes good neighbors. ". In other words, " build the wall! ".

[Tall4mom]

There are already enough people using the town squares in the villages.. This will be wonderful for the people in the trailers and not so wonderful for the villagers. The whole area is already congested enough.

[bdaball]

We live in a Motor home most of the time. We are not trailer trash. We spend a lot of money while traveling. We even wash and wax our motor home regularly so it might be cleaner than a stick built home and cost as much or more than one. We have stayed in upscale Rv resorts that TV cant compare to. We have spent a lot of money and taxes at the TV craft shows(many of the vendors live in motor homes as well), the restaurants, and other area businesses. So sorry many think lowly of us. I only feel sorry for you that if you get tired of the scenery out your front window, you cant move along like us.

Sorry, we won't come to your facilities anymore. We may be in your way. We'll spend our money somewhere else.

"Small house-Big front yard"

[kstew43]

We live in a Motor home most of the time. We are not trailer trash. We spend a lot of money while traveling. We even wash and wax our motor home regularly so it might be cleaner than a stick built home and cost as much or more than one. We have stayed in upscale Rv resorts that TV cant compare to. We have spent a lot of money and taxes at the TV craft shows(many of the vendors live in motor homes as well), the restaurants, and other area businesses. So sorry many think lowly of us. I only feel sorry for you that if you get tired of the scenery out your front window, you cant move along like us.

Sorry, we won't come to your facilities anymore. We may be in your way. We'll spend our money somewhere else.

"Small house-Big front yard"

:bigbow: we do the same, although not full time.......

I applaud you......some of us in TV don't feel that way so don't let them ruin your fun.....

[chvlt57]

I do not think the issue is the quality of the development, but the addition of more high density, seasonal housing adding to the traffic and crowded restaurants etc. Additionally will this development have it own amenities or will the residents be anticipating the use of nearby amenities paid for by Village residents?

[caljeff]

I live in Pine Ridge and see no problem with this proposed development. I really was sad to see the Burke's Restaurant go "bye, bye". I loved both the food and "ambiance".

[kincaiddb@embarqmail.com]

They wouldn't have it any other way then for the home owners to help with their development of the RV park. There is always a front man for them.

[npwalters]

Yes, Gracie, as always your advice is so welcome. I was thinking of TV as my home, ok, a small part of TV. And just as one’s household does not increase because say, Florida’s population increases .... TV has a history and a charm and a fun factor which we need to protect, in my opinion. I understand that sales etc benefit from more and more people but what about the rest of us?

Until you became an 'Us' six months ago, you were one of 'them!'
My wife and I have been two of 'them' for over 20 years, and have noticed how the newer 'Us's' have become more intolerant than the older 'Us's in recent years as the population has grown!

One does not need to live in TV for several years to have a valid opinion and be an "us". Been seasonal in TV for about 4 years and hope my opinion is valid too.

[BlkBlt6]

What I’m worried about it the amount of traffic/congestion in the area. The number of lots proposed for that RV park is huge.

[wisbad1]

soooo,is that why they{the powers] have been screwing the Burke's,just to get their land? what a soap opera.

[Two Bills]

At the rate The Villages is growing I think greed has taken over motivation. The Charter schools populations are outgrowing their space... the class sizes are equal to those of the inner city schools. There are more more shops and restaurants than needed. Thank goodness the Burke's BarBQ failed...it was really below the standard Villagers want and deserve... A trailer park so close to The Villages custom built homes will lower the homes resale value and add too many residents to our population. DO NOT ALLOW the Rohan family to profit from their influential family name by lowering the standards The Villages has maintained for all these years.

Why should the number of kids in TV School upset you?
No children of school age should be living in TV.

Too many shops and restaurants? You wont hear that statement from anyone in Fenney and the newer developed areas!

[vintageogauge]

We live in a Motor home most of the time. We are not trailer trash. We spend a lot of money while traveling. We even wash and wax our motor home regularly so it might be cleaner than a stick built home and cost as much or more than one. We have stayed in upscale Rv resorts that TV cant compare to. We have spent a lot of money and taxes at the TV craft shows(many of the vendors live in motor homes as well), the restaurants, and other area businesses. So sorry many think lowly of us. I only feel sorry for you that if you get tired of the scenery out your front window, you cant move along like us.

Sorry, we won't come to your facilities anymore. We may be in your way. We'll spend our money somewhere else.

"Small house-Big front yard"

One nice thing about our stick built homes, they don't depreciate like RV's. If we get tired of the scenery it's easy to sell a home here and move on, not so easy to sell an RV, used ones are everywhere for sale. We have had numerous RV's and still have a motorhome in addition to our stickbuilt. We have stayed in many restricted "upscale" RV resorts and that is all they are, upscale RV parks with a few extra amenities but nothing like we have here in The Villages and you would be hard pressed to find an RV that exceeds 500 Square feet of indoor living space.

[golf2140]

soooo,is that why they{the powers] have been screwing the Burke's,just to get their land? what a soap opera.

This group has nothing to do with The Villages. How have they been screwing the Burk's. Just another uninformed person posting

[Mumbles]

IMHO, the bulk of RVers are people from the middle or upper classes. Who else can afford an RV these days? Best I could get was a pull trailer, albeit a large one.

We've got to be careful about painting all those with RVs or pull trailers, or type C motor homes with a negative brush. They are, mostly, a wonderful group of people, from my experience.

As for free amenities, that's not much different from those of us who are RENTING/LEASING our homes in T.V. Our landlord pays for the amenities and we enjoy them tremendously. If I had to pay for them myself, I would not mind.

[Velvet]

The RV park better have its own amenities, swimming pool etc and not try to use what the homeowners’ pay for.

[Nucky]

The RV park better have its own amenities, swimming pool etc and not try to use what the homeowners’ pay for.

I hope they have heavy Security at their Gate because I'm gonna lead a Gang Of Q-Tip Heads to the Pool They Build. :1rotfl::1rotfl:

There is NOTHING that can be done to stop them from building that place. The place is going to be beautiful and if The Villages has to step up their game to keep out people without the proper I.D. then they better get busy. Should be doing it already as there are always people who don't belong using our pool's. Yes, I am a :super: RAT, I call. Took me two years to get to the point of calling but the hell with it if they don't belong then out with them. :popcorn: Usually way younger than 30 years old.

[rustyp]

From personal experience many a RV site lease holder at Recreation Plantation gets a guest pass form their Villages friends for the high season. Most RVr's are from out of state thus the three county rule does not apply. The new RV park will be no different. Get ready for increased traffic at your favorite rec center activity and neighborhood swimming pools.

[Velvet]

Are you seriously telling me that nonVillagers, I don’t mean renters, or guests of Villagers, are ALLOWED to use our facilities such as pools? In that case we need to look at the total number of Village passes that are issued each year and how many non Villagers are issued passes. These amenities are not public in the sense that any one can use them, or that they are voluntary, and how and to who are they given and what the cost should be each year needs to be examined and published publicly. Even with deed restrictions, we are not living in a dictatorship, I hope.

[Velvet]

Nucky, please come to my pool all the time!

[billethkid]

We need to keep in mind that most of the negatives are perceptions and opinions of the very few.

We always seem to dwell upon that and ignore/pass over the fact that 95%++++ the system works as intended.

There will ALWAYS be those who test the limitations.....same as the residents of TV that ignore/pass over the rules.

[CWGUY]

Are you seriously telling me that nonVillagers, I don’t mean renters, or guests of Villagers, are ALLOWED to use our facilities such as pools? In that case we need to look at the total number of Village passes that are issued each year and how many non Villagers are issued passes. These amenities are not public in the sense that any one can use them, or that they are voluntary, and how and to who are they given and what the cost should be each year needs to be examined and published publicly. Even with deed restrictions, we are not living in a dictatorship, I hope.

:ohdear: I didn't read that ! Where does it say that? Learn how to quote and then do it. It makes it so much easier to follow. Just like I quoted you just now. :boom:

[Velvet]

I was surmising this from several posts, not actually just one. Tell me I’m wrong! I want to be!

[rondvu2]

RV park sounds nice for the Rvers, however I feel the villages actually need to be an enforced gated community and not let everyone pass through unless they live there, or are visiting a villager(in which they should be able to verify with the villager before entering), or taking a tour in which they need to be directed to obtain a guest pass. My mother owns a place near Spanish springs and she shouldn't have to pay for bands at the squares when others that live outside the villages do not. Maybe the RVers or outside areas could pay a fee and be aloud to pass through to the squares. As of right now everyone gets through at all the villagers expense.

[claricecolin]

RV park sounds nice for the Rvers, however I feel the villages actually need to be an enforced gated community and not let everyone pass through unless they live there, or are visiting a villager(in which they should be able to verify with the villager before entering), or taking a tour in which they need to be directed to obtain a guest pass. My mother owns a place near Spanish springs and she shouldn't have to pay for bands at the squares when others that live outside the villages do not. Maybe the RVers or outside areas could pay a fee and be aloud to pass through to the squares. As of right now everyone gets through at all the villagers expense.

Serious questions, are you prepared to pay the additional costs to make this a gated community and do you think the restaurants and stores would survive with only Villagers as patrons?

[Kilmacowen]

Is this land sale a done deal of just speculation?

[CWGUY]

RV park sounds nice for the Rvers, however I feel the villages actually need to be an enforced gated community and not let everyone pass through unless they live there, or are visiting a villager(in which they should be able to verify with the villager before entering), or taking a tour in which they need to be directed to obtain a guest pass. My mother owns a place near Spanish springs and she shouldn't have to pay for bands at the squares when others that live outside the villages do not. Maybe the RVers or outside areas could pay a fee and be aloud to pass through to the squares. As of right now everyone gets through at all the villagers expense.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Your mother does not pay for the bands. Get a clue on how this place works ...... PLEASE! :popcorn:

[rustyp]

Are you seriously telling me that nonVillagers, I don’t mean renters, or guests of Villagers, are ALLOWED to use our facilities such as pools? In that case we need to look at the total number of Village passes that are issued each year and how many non Villagers are issued passes. These amenities are not public in the sense that any one can use them, or that they are voluntary, and how and to who are they given and what the cost should be each year needs to be examined and published publicly. Even with deed restrictions, we are not living in a dictatorship, I hope.

Very serious. I am not talking about an occasional event. I have been part of TV since 2005. Numerous friends of mine that now live in TV started out with RVs at Recreation Plantation. They laugh at us how easy it is to get guest passes and use our facilities. FYI I know of an acquaintance that purchased a park model in Rec Plantation last year for under $30K and hooked up with guest pass for TV Dec 2018 through March 2019. Don't be naive!

[Velvet]

I read your posts and say to myself "This woman has never even been here! She doesn't have a clue!" Tell me I'm wrong! :icon_wink:

Yep, you’re wrong. You just made me laugh. Probably was in TV before you were, my relatives started living in TV in 1992... my parents in 1996.
It is true that I am learning new things all the time, I chose to be a life time learner.

It is one thing to have a few people sneak in, yes, I know they did it in the past, as compared to allowing/encouraging a large number of new people to use the Villagers’ amenities, this is what I’m concerned about.

[rustyp]

Very serious. I am not talking about an occasional event. I have been part of TV since 2005. Numerous friends of mine that now live in TV started out with RVs at Recreation Plantation. They laugh at us how easy it is to get guest passes and use our facilities. FYI I know of an acquaintance that purchased a park model in Rec Plantation last year for under $30K and hooked up with guest pass for TV Dec 2018 through March 2019. Don't be naive!

FYI they also illegally cross Rolling Acres with golf carts and obtain access to TV via the path near the VFW golf driving range.

[Nucky]

Nucky, please come to my pool all the time!

We were on a tear last year trying to hit every pool in The Villages but once we went to The Phillips Villas up near the VA our quest stopped. The Village was brand new and the pool was small, new and we loved the 40-minute ride up there and back home. The views around Lopez on Buena Vist were stunning. We'll have to make it a point to get to the Mallory Pool, Alert The Media. :1rotfl::1rotfl: Thanks for the invite.

We are Poolaholics but this year wasn't a record-breaker, we'll be back next year! :a040::a040:

:mademyday:

[Nucky]

FYI they also illegally cross Rolling Acres with golf carts and obtain access to TV via the path near the VFW golf driving range.

Can you give me the Coordinates Please?

I've bee constructing an Abrams M1 on my Lanai. I'll field that dilemma. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: KIDDING!

[claytocl]

Trailer trash? I live in Continental Country Club which is being surrounded by The Villages. We don’t like it yet we don’t call you names.

Wake up.

[Nucky]

Trailer trash? I live in Continental Country Club which is being surrounded by The Villages. We don’t like it yet we don’t call you names.

Wake up.

I didn't see anybody use that term while posting here but if I did I would have sided with you instantly. Those words are just wrong. Whoever said it should be ashamed of themselves. Sorry, you got lumped up. The vast majority of Villagers are not like-minded with the clown using the words you mentioned. :ohdear:

[Kilmacowen]

Is this land sale a done deal of just speculation?

Anybody know the answer to my question? Thanks

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

This seems to be another RV resort planned for Fruitland Park. The one being discussed now is behind Burkes BBQ and not too far east of Colony Center. I'm going to guess both projects will be nice additions to the area,

Developer planning 668-acre RV park near Fruitland Park - News - Daily Commercial - Leesburg, FL (https://www.dailycommercial.com/news/20180720/developer-planning-668-acre-rv-park-near-fruitland-park)

This is not behind Burkes, it's up 441 near Lake Griffin. There goes the squares.

Anybody know the answer to my question? Thanks

I think you answered your own question up-thread?

[17Villager]

This is very concerning to me. It’s hard enough to get a spot at venues in The Villages and the town squares when a good band is playing. If all the people from the these RV Parks and the new apartments and condos being planned get free and open access to all our amenities that we pay for, we will have little chance to enjoy them.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

This is very concerning to me. It’s hard enough to get a spot at venues in The Villages and the town squares when a good band is playing. If all the people from the these RV Parks and the new apartments and condos being planned get free and open access to all our amenities that we pay for, we will have little chance to enjoy them.

The town squares are NOT amenities that you pay amenity fees for. They are open to the public. But the planners didn't plan on them accommodating so many residents. And obviously - they can't. There are really only two ways I can think of, that the developers can accommodate the additional traffic:

1. build two more town squares
2. eliminate live music, which will make those town squares less popular and therefore - less populated.

I'd prefer #1, personally - but I wouldn't put it past them to implement #2 because - who's gonna stop them?

The new apartments down by Brownwood will have their own amenities that actual Villagers will not have access to; it's not likely they'll go out of their way to, for instance, the Hacienda Hills area just to use the pool, when they have their own that only they can access.

[ColdNoMore]

Hope we haven't forgotten that the original "Villages" was mobile homes....We owe our "Lifestyle" to them.

Maybe that's the answer?

You can bring your rig and park it, but you have to jack it up...and take the wheels off?

[bilcon]

How could a hugh RV park adjacent to TV homes be an asset to the residents of TV. What happened to our retirement community. I feel like I should have moved a block outside and them enjoyed all "the villagers" amenities for free. Colony shopping center is so crowded now, that I can't imagine what is will be like with 600+ RV"s next door. OMG will it ever end. Pretty soon Florida residents will be able to buy a yearly pass to TV and be given free access. I wonder when the BIG FERRIS WHEEL will be built. Still love it here but..............

[KSSunshine]

The town squares are NOT amenities that you pay amenity fees for. They are open to the public. But the planners didn't plan on them accommodating so many residents. And obviously - they can't. There are really only two ways I can think of, that the developers can accommodate the additional traffic:

1. build two more town squares
2. eliminate live music, which will make those town squares less popular and therefore - less populated.

I'd prefer #1, personally - but I wouldn't put it past them to implement #2 because - who's gonna stop them?

The new apartments down by Brownwood will have their own amenities that actual Villagers will not have access to; it's not likely they'll go out of their way to, for instance, the Hacienda Hills area just to use the pool, when they have their own that only they can access.

I heard from a reasonably reliable source that a fourth town square will be built down by 470. A fifth square is too speculative....maybe in 10 more years? Too far off for me to even fathom. Town squares bring in people in neighboring communities who purchase goods and services, and is most likely, what helps to sustain the business' economic growth.
As two your second point, the music in the squares is a selling point for new/prospective residents. We've been here five months and don't frequent the squares for the music...just selective and too busy with other activities. (Or too worn out from "playing" all day.) In the meantime, we live for in the moment since since the number is decreasing.
Enjoy life! :MOJE_whot:

[Rosebud1949]

If Burke's sell to the Rohans then it will become Villages property I am sure. Sad, some of us are very disappointed at the way the Villages is developing. Many owners were told we stop building at SR44 better buy now. Those established here should NOT be subsidizing those in this RV park. Too many folk already and not enough facilities.. Fenney cant wait for the bridge, then they can invade "the mainland" as they call it and flood our amenities. Not what I signed up for

[Bogie Shooter]

If Burke's sell to the Rohans then it will become Villages property I am sure. Sad, some of us are very disappointed at the way the Villages is developing. Many owners were told we stop building at SR44 better buy now. Those established here should NOT be subsidizing those in this RV park. Too many folk already and not enough facilities.. Fenney cant wait for the bridge, then they can invade "the mainland" as they call it and flood our amenities. Not what I signed up for

How can you be sure?
What facilities are not enough...what is missing?
Our amenities?
You can un-sign……………….

[coffeebean]

This is very concerning to me. It’s hard enough to get a spot at venues in The Villages and the town squares when a good band is playing. If all the people from the these RV Parks and the new apartments and condos being planned get free and open access to all our amenities that we pay for, we will have little chance to enjoy them.

Town Squares entertainment is open to all the public. They can come from anywhere. The RV Parks, apartments and condos just adds more people who are the general public who are invited to enjoy the Town Squares entertainment.

More people means more crowds. I imagine that is great for the economy and the local merchants.

[FenneyFanatic]

:bigbow:

[Mikeod]

If Burke's sell to the Rohans then it will become Villages property I am sure. Sad, some of us are very disappointed at the way the Villages is developing. Many owners were told we stop building at SR44 better buy now. Those established here should NOT be subsidizing those in this RV park. Too many folk already and not enough facilities.. Fenney cant wait for the bridge, then they can invade "the mainland" as they call it and flood our amenities. Not what I signed up for

Invade? I wonder if those on the historic side felt that way when they started the bridge over 441. Or when they built the bridges at Lake Sumter. One of the hallmarks of TV has been to create a lot of the amenities at the same time homes are built.

If there are Villages residents who make guest passes available to people living/renting outside TV, shame on them. That’s not the intent of the program. It is much more of a concern than fellow villagers finally getting golf cart access both north and south.

[Kilmacowen]

If Burke's sell to the Rohans then it will become Villages property I am sure. Sad, some of us are very disappointed at the way the Villages is developing. Many owners were told we stop building at SR44 better buy now. Those established here should NOT be subsidizing those in this RV park. Too many folk already and not enough facilities.. Fenney cant wait for the bridge, then they can invade "the mainland" as they call it and flood our amenities. Not what I signed up for

According to the online news, this is still in the rumor stage. The Rohans do want to develop 90 acres for Rv park but Lake/Fruitland feels it could be used better. As of today, there has been no sale.

There is/was so much undeveloped land around TV, it is inevitable that someone would develop it. That said, I am glad it is the Morses, and done to perfection.
Let's see what's going to happen to the Beaumont property across from Walgreens on 466A, they stripped it bare.

[Bogie Shooter]

According to the online news, this is still in the rumor stage. The Rohans do want to develop 90 acres for Rv park but Lake/Fruitland feels it could be used better. As of today, there has been no sale.

There is/was so much undeveloped land around TV, it is inevitable that someone would develop it. That said, I am glad it is the Morses, and done to perfection.
Let's see what's going to happen to the Beaumont property across from Walgreens on 466A, they stripped it bare.
What is the source of this proclamation?

[Kilmacowen]

What is the source of this proclamation?

I was referring to below 44, Southern Oaks

[coffeebean]

..........2. eliminate live music, which will make those town squares less popular and therefore - less populated.

Live music at the squares 24/7, weather permitting, is one of the many features of The Villages why we chose to live here. Live music every night, weather permitting, is part of the lifestyle we bought in to.

Eliminating live music at the squares would impact a lifestyle that many people bought in to. I honestly don't think that would be an option to consider.

[coffeebean]

Too many folk already and not enough facilities.. Fenney cant wait for the bridge, then they can invade "the mainland" as they call it and flood our amenities. Not what I signed up for

"Our amenities" are Fenney and all points south's amenities too. We just need more amenities to keep up with the growth of the population. I agree....Colony Publix is going to be crazy busy with the population growth in that area. Not looking forward to that fiasco when it happens. I'll just do what I do now.......go early in the day.

[Bogie Shooter]

Live music at the squares 24/7, weather permitting, is one of the many features of The Villages why we chose to live here. Live music every night, weather permitting, is part of the lifestyle we bought in to.

Eliminating live music at the squares would impact a lifestyle that many people bought in to. I honestly don't think that would be an option to consider.

I agree, dumb idea?

[Kilmacowen]

Live music at the squares 24/7, weather permitting, is one of the many features of The Villages why we chose to live here. Live music every night, weather permitting, is part of the lifestyle we bought in to.

Eliminating live music at the squares would impact a lifestyle that many people bought in to. I honestly don't think that would be an option to consider.

I agree, we still go for the music after 12 yrs. Maybe allowing golf cart only parking at the squares at those hours.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I agree, we still go for the music after 12 yrs. Maybe allowing golf cart only parking at the squares at those hours.

That could be a good idea, as long as they have dedicated (and enforced) handicap CAR parking nearby as well (no golf carts allowed in those spots and anyone in one without a tag gets a ticket)

[Velvet]

The square music is the best! Now if I could just get hubby to dance too.

[Chatbrat]

Don't think calling a person (trailer trash) driving & living in a million $ Prevost would fit--there is a RV park near Highlands ,NC where the setups go for $600K--

[Bay Kid]

I agree, we still go for the music after 12 yrs. Maybe allowing golf cart only parking at the squares at those hours.

I have always thought we could get more people close to the square w/golf cart parking only around the square during the 3-9 pm hours. You would still need handicap parking available.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Don't think calling a person (trailer trash) driving & living in a million $ Prevost would fit--there is a RV park near Highlands ,NC where the setups go for $600K--

Maybe whoever is calling them that, are talking about people who live in trailer homes (thus, "trailer trash," as opposed to "RV trash")...


JUST LIKE THE ONES IN THE VILLAGES THAT SOME OF US LIVE IN.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to clean my shot-gun before Brutus my hound dog wakes up. I have to take him off the bed of the pickup truck we keep on cinderblocks in the front yard, or he'll poop right there on the bed.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

That could be a good idea, as long as they have dedicated (and enforced) handicap CAR parking nearby as well (no golf carts allowed in those spots and anyone in one without a tag gets a ticket)

I have always thought we could get more people close to the square w/golf cart parking only around the square during the 3-9 pm hours. You would still need handicap parking available.

Imagine that - a fresh idea coming from a heated thread.
:a040:

[vintageogauge]

Imagine that - a fresh idea coming from a heated thread.
:a040:

Last year there were a lot of posts stating that Brownwood was dead, that no one goes there, no good restaurants, etc. Now all of a sudden it's too crowded, I think not and based on where the proposed RV park and apartments are being built, the crowds will be at Lake Sumter and Spanish Springs.

[graciegirl]

That could be a good idea, as long as they have dedicated (and enforced) handicap CAR parking nearby as well (no golf carts allowed in those spots and anyone in one without a tag gets a ticket)

The squares are public. People from outside come to the squares. The merchants at the squares that pay for the entertainment are dependent on the patronage of us and the public.

Ticketing parking costs money. One of the best things about this place is that "THEY" haven't honored the whims and ideas of folks that drive the price up of living here.

[PrudentLifer]

It goes against the grain of many people grounded to solid footings, to dislike, even to have disdain for the "Gypsy" way of life regardless the cost of the wagon.