A felony?

[Fraugoofy]

I was chatting with my neighbor today who informed me that if I get stopped for speeding in my golf cart on the road (not on the cart path) that I could be charged with a felony if my cart speed is set to go over 20 miles per hour. Can anyone shed some light on this? I mean I find it hard to believe that it could be a felony that my golf cart is set at 25 miles per hour. I do realize the speed limit is 20 mph and I rarely go over that, but my cart is set to a higher speed just because I bought the cart used and never changed the speed on the engine. I want to know if it anyone can share FACTS in relation to speed violations and a felony charge in the State of Florida. Thanks for the insight. Rae

[MikeV]

You don't get a speeding ticket. You get an unregistered vehicle ticket. The fine and court costs can be upwards of $500. Also never wear shorts to court because they either tell you to leave or put you last. I seriously doubt it is a felony since so many Villagers have posted their experiences with this and none to my knowledge have been charged with a felony.

[fred53]

Ditto what MikeV says...also it is your responsibility to make sure your cart complies and just because you bought it being able to go faster than 20mph doesn't mean you aren't the one who will be held accountable....it is "your" cart....and now you have knowingly admitted to breaking the law...

A felony? Perhaps if you hit and killed someone with it....naive....

[Sandtrap328]

I would suggest that FrauGoofy take her cart into Village Carts and have it regulated down to 20 mph.

Not a felony but the monetary fine of driving an unregistered motor vehicle PLUS having it downward regulated could have a definite damper on your beautiful day in The Villages.

[MikeV]

I would suggest that FrauGoofy take her cart into Village Carts and have it regulated down to 20 mph.

Not a felony but the monetary fine of driving an unregistered motor vehicle PLUS having it downward regulated could have a definite damper on your beautiful day in The Villages.

I recently had work done by TV Golf Cart store in Brownwood. As part of the paperwork they ask you to sign a statement that if your cart exceeds 22 mph they will lower it to 22 mph. There is also a line where you can refuse that.

[joldnol]

Not a felony but it is considered a criminal offense

[Sandtrap328]

It sounds as though The Villlages Golf Cart store is not only covering their behinds in case of an issue of a "speeder" saying "I bought the cart from this store and I didn't know" as well as doing the proper thing.

Yesterday, I was in my cart on Morse going my 20 mph and another cart passes me and he was going about 30 (I guess) - he went out of the cart lane, of course. I bet he wishes that he had checked the surroundings. He had pulled out right in front of a Sumter County police car to pass me! YEP, he got pulled over immediately.

Figure around $500 for that mistake!

[tomwed]

[QUOTE=Sandtrap328;1129046 I bet he wishes that he had checked the surroundings. [/QUOTE]
I'll bet you are right.
I don't have a cart. Was the violation going over the speed limit or passing by entering an illegal lane?

[tomwed]

Here's an easy one. I'm driving down a street and the arrows painted the street indicate a left hand turn is an option or is it left turn only. If someone is waiting to turn and no one is in the cart lane I go around the car to the right thinking that cars and carts share the right lane. But now I'm thinking that maybe they don't and I need to wait until the car makes a left before I go straight.

[golfing eagles]

Not a felony but it is considered a criminal offense

Florida statute 316.212 Operation of golf carts on certain roadways

After several pages of do's and don'ts,

Paragraph 9 reads:
(9) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable pursuant to chapter 318 as a moving violation for infractions of subsections (1)-(5) or a local ordinance corresponding thereto and enacted pursuant to subsection (8), or punishable pursuant to chapter 318 as a nonmoving violation for infractions of subsection (6), subsection (7), or a local ordinance corresponding thereto and enacted pursuant to subsection (8).

So, no "felony", no "criminal charges", but probably a good sized fine and maybe points on your license depending on whether you get a moving or non-moving citation (and what you plea bargain it down to)

[Sandtrap328]

I'll bet you are right.
I don't have a cart. Was the violation going over the speed limit or passing by entering an illegal lane?

I did not stop to find out! I would think it would be for operating an unregistered motor vehicle since the legal speed for a golf cart is 20 mph.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Does anyone know how to adjust the speed limit on a Club Car? I am sure it is just a cable adjustment. Rather not pay someone to do something very simple.

[tomwed]

Florida statute 316.212 Operation of golf carts on certain roadways

After several pages of do's and don'ts,


Are there many potential violations in this situation?
speeding?
having a vehicle that can speed and is not registered?
not insured?
passing in the wrong lane?
By now I forgot what road they were on.

[Retiring]

Since I am not in TV (yet), and never owned a golf cart, my knowledge of the subject is very limited.

Are there golf carts that can go faster i.e. 40mph or more? Which would be licensed, registered and insured like an automobile? If there is such a thing, can they ride on the regular streets rather than golf cart paths? Is this a gas vs. electric thing?

Can someone post a simple paragraph on golf cart speed basics for those who read this board as future villagers? Thanks.

[tomwed]

Since I am not in TV (yet), and never owned a golf cart, my knowledge of the subject is very limited.

Are there golf carts that can go faster i.e. 40mph or more? Which would be licensed, registered and insured like an automobile? If there is such a thing, can they ride on the regular streets rather than golf cart paths? Is this a gas vs. electric thing?

Can someone post a simple paragraph on golf cart speed basics for those who read this board as future villagers? Thanks.
FAQ - STREET LEGAL LSV'S (http://www.villagesgolfcartman.com/id76.html)

[golfing eagles]

Are there many potential violations in this situation?
speeding?
having a vehicle that can speed and is not registered?
not insured?
passing in the wrong lane?
By now I forgot what road they were on.

try this:
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.212.html)

[bagboy]

Does anyone know how to adjust the speed limit on a Club Car? I am sure it is just a cable adjustment. Rather not pay someone to do something very simple.

Try going to youtube and searching it. I know there is a how to for Yamaha golf cart adjustments.

[Sandtrap328]

Since I am not in TV (yet), and never owned a golf cart, my knowledge of the subject is very limited.

Are there golf carts that can go faster i.e. 40mph or more? Which would be licensed, registered and insured like an automobile? If there is such a thing, can they ride on the regular streets rather than golf cart paths? Is this a gas vs. electric thing?

Can someone post a simple paragraph on golf cart speed basics for those who read this board as future villagers? Thanks.

A golf cart is the vehicle which cannot go more than 20 mph.

A Low Speed Vehicle (LSV) speed limit is 25 mph and must be licensed, registered and insured. Must meet certain safety features like seat belts and windshield wipers. The LSV can go on roads that have speed limits of 35 mph or lower and do not have to stay in the "diamond" lanes.

Golf carts cannot go on roads that have over 30 mph limits and must stay in the "diamond" lane if there is one. Therefore, if you are on Morse which has a 30 mph limit - and a "diamond" lane - there is no passing another golf cart.

The Multi-Modal trails are private property and do not have the speed limit but police are authorized to pick up cart drivers who are visibly drunk or creating a dangerous situation.

[Challenger]

A golf cart is the vehicle which cannot go more than 20 mph.

A Low Speed Vehicle (LSV) speed limit is 25 mph and must be licensed, registered and insured. Must meet certain safety features like seat belts and windshield wipers. The LSV can go on roads that have speed limits of 35 mph or lower and do not have to stay in the "diamond" lanes.

Golf carts cannot go on roads that have over 30 mph limits and must stay in the "diamond" lane if there is one. Therefore, if you are on Morse which has a 30 mph limit - and a "diamond" lane - there is no passing another golf cart.

The Multi-Modal trails are private property and do not have the speed limit but police are authorized to pick up cart drivers who are visibly drunk or creating a dangerous situation.

Can you cite a valid reference for the last sentence?I don't believe that police have any authority pick up cart drivers on private property.(MMP)

[golfing eagles]

Can you cite a valid reference for the last sentence?I don't believe that police have any authority pick up cart drivers on private property.(MMP)

Maybe, maybe not, but sooner or later you have to leave the MMP to get home

[RickeyD]

Maybe, maybe not, but sooner or later you have to leave the MMP to get home


I would scuttle my cart like the Admiral Graf Spee then seek asylum at the 19th hole.

[golfing eagles]

I would scuttle my cart like the Admiral Graf Spee then seek asylum at the 19th hole.

I think I have a solution for myself, and others with the same type of lot.
I could park my cart on the side of the nearest MMP to wherever I was consuming alcohol (but since I have about 2 drinks/month this might be overkill). Then drive toward home on the MMP until I get to EP golf course. Get on the cart paths or fairway until I get home, drive thru my backyard and into the garage. Private property all the way, just don't run over an alligator, get attacked by a bobcat or pack of coyotes, or find some of our less "inhibited" villagers engaging in extracurricular activity on a green:1rotfl:

[Retiring]

A golf cart is the vehicle which cannot go more than 20 mph.

A Low Speed Vehicle (LSV) speed limit is 25 mph and must be licensed, registered and insured. Must meet certain safety features like seat belts and windshield wipers. The LSV can go on roads that have speed limits of 35 mph or lower and do not have to stay in the "diamond" lanes.

Golf carts cannot go on roads that have over 30 mph limits and must stay in the "diamond" lane if there is one. Therefore, if you are on Morse which has a 30 mph limit - and a "diamond" lane - there is no passing another golf cart.

The Multi-Modal trails are private property and do not have the speed limit but police are authorized to pick up cart drivers who are visibly drunk or creating a dangerous situation.



So a LSV is faster than a basic golf cart? Is a LSV – gas, electric or either one? When you say diamond lane, is that a golf cart only lane? If I saw a diamond lane I would assume HOV or carpool, but it doesn’t sound like that’s the case in TV.

The MMP are golf cart only lanes? Is most of TV 35mph or less?

At this point I see myself getting a gas cart, mainly for the range. I would like to go faster than 25, is that an option from the dealer or actually illegal? Not having been in a golf cart doing 25 I may be crazy to want to go faster. Is wanting to go 30-35+ nuts or even possible?

A big concern, which I hope is unfounded, is that I’ll not be able to get from home to the squares via golf cart due to a section of roadway with a higher speed limit.

I didn’t mean to take this thread off topic. I’ll not post anymore of these general golf cart questions on this thread.

I will be visiting TV in the next couple months, it should be clearer to me at that time. Thanks.

[d&bstroup]

Here is a good one...we were on morse in the golf cart lane and behind us was another golf cart then guess what... a *$£$&'^#*(÷$£ car!!!
Really thouhht I was seeing things!!!!!
After the golf car behind us turned, was able to get the car driver into the correct lane...

[tuccillo]

I believe you will find that all bets are off in the case of an accident with injuries and while operating, or potentially operating, a vehicle under the influence.


Can you cite a valid reference for the last sentence?I don't believe that police have any authority pick up cart drivers on private property.(MMP)

[tuccillo]

An LSV, which must be licensed, has a maximum speed of 25 MPH and uses roads with a maximum speed limit of 35 MPH.

A diamond lane is used by bikes and golf carts.

There are essentially 3 types of roads in The Villages: Neighborhood streets with no diamond lane that golf carts can use, roads with diamond lanes and golf carts can ride in the diamond lanes, and other roads with higher speed limits but no diamond lanes and LSVs can use if the speed limit is 35 MPH.

The MMPs are for pedestrians, golf carts, and bikes.

Most of the TV is 35 MPH or less, maybe a fewer higher areas.

You can't legally go faster than 25 MPH (LSV). Golf carts are limited to 20 MPH.

You can get from the squares to your house via golf cart.

So a LSV is faster than a basic golf cart? Is a LSV – gas, electric or either one? When you say diamond lane, is that a golf cart only lane? If I saw a diamond lane I would assume HOV or carpool, but it doesn’t sound like that’s the case in TV.

The MMP are golf cart only lanes? Is most of TV 35mph or less?

At this point I see myself getting a gas cart, mainly for the range. I would like to go faster than 25, is that an option from the dealer or actually illegal? Not having been in a golf cart doing 25 I may be crazy to want to go faster. Is wanting to go 30-35+ nuts or even possible?

A big concern, which I hope is unfounded, is that I’ll not be able to get from home to the squares via golf cart due to a section of roadway with a higher speed limit.

I didn’t mean to take this thread off topic. I’ll not post anymore of these general golf cart questions on this thread.

I will be visiting TV in the next couple months, it should be clearer to me at that time. Thanks.

[bimmertl]

The August 4 Daily Sun did a lengthy article regarding golf carts modified to exceed 20mph. I kept the article knowing that sooner or later it would come up again and the misinformation would once again hit TOTV. Here'a a direct quote from the article.

"Exceeding the speed limit while driving a golf cart does not result in a traffic citation, but a criminal citation.

If you are clocked going more than 20 mph, you will get a citation for driving a non registered vehicle, which is a criminal offense, said Katrina Berardi, deputy clerk with the Sumter County Clerk of Courts."

She goes on to state that a court appearance is mandatory and you will be fined. "If you can't pay that day, you're looking at probation" and if you don't show up with a certificate stating your cart speed has been lowered getting that done will be a condition of your probation.

So it's a criminal offense, but not a felony. And it's not about speeding but improper registration. You could be going 25 in a 35mph zone and still get the ticket for the unregistered cart.

[NYGUY]

I would like to go faster than 25, is that an option from the dealer or actually illegal?

Just in case you are still not clear on this issue....faster than 25 in a LSV (I know, dumb name) is illegal!!..:spoken:

[golfing eagles]

If you are clocked going more than 20 mph, you will get a citation for driving a non registered vehicle, which is a criminal offense, said Katrina Berardi, deputy clerk with the Sumter County Clerk of Courts."


How can you get cited for driving a "non-registered vehicle" when these vehicles are not required to be registered???
Are you referring to a LSV on regular roads as opposed to and unregistered golf cart?

[NECHFalcon68]

Can you cite a valid reference for the last sentence?I don't believe that police have any authority pick up cart drivers on private property.(MMP)

Read top of Page 12 ...
http://poa4us.org/bulletins_files/bulletin201305.pdf

[golfing eagles]

If you are clocked going more than 20 mph, you will get a citation for driving a non registered vehicle, which is a criminal offense, said Katrina Berardi, deputy clerk with the Sumter County Clerk of Courts."



Here's info from an Orlando TV site pertaining to unregistered cars:

ORLANDO --

Have you ever driven a friend's car? Did you ask if their registration is up to date?

Next time you take another person's car for a cruise, you might want to check.

Jim, from Casselberry, writes in to the traffic inbox this week:


Can I get a ticket if I'm driving a buddy's car whose registration hasn't been renewed?

The answer to that question is simple enough.

You have until midnight of the day of the registration period or extended registration period — usually your birthday unless you have registered for multiple years.


If you fail to do so, you cannot operate that vehicle legally until the registration is updated.

And that means anyone.

So, if you are driving a friend's car whose registration is expired, you would receive the ticket, not your friend.


If it has been expired for less than six months, it is classified as a non-criminal traffic infraction, punishable as a non-moving violation. In Orange County, for example, that's $114.

[bagboy]

If you are clocked going more than 20 mph, you will get a citation for driving a non registered vehicle, which is a criminal offense, said Katrina Berardi, deputy clerk with the Sumter County Clerk of Courts."


How can you get cited for driving a "non-registered vehicle" when these vehicles are not required to be registered???
Are you referring to a LSV on regular roads as opposed to and unregistered golf cart?

The reference is to regular golf carts exceeding 20 mph. The authorities charge the driver with driving an unregistered vehicle because they in fact are operating their cart as if it "were" a registered vehicle that is capable of higher speeds. By the fact they were pulled over and probably clocked by radar, they most likely reach a speed that would require them to be registered and licensed by the DMV as Low Speed Vehicles.

[golfing eagles]

The reference is to regular golf carts exceeding 20 mph. The authorities charge the driver with driving an unregistered vehicle because they in fact are operating their cart as if it "were" a registered vehicle that is capable of higher speeds. By the fact they were pulled over and probably clocked by radar, they most likely reach a speed that would require them to be registered and licensed by the DMV as Low Speed Vehicles.

Now that makes sense.
The "criminal charge" still makes no sense---see my posts about Florida law on golf carts using public roads and also the penalty for an unregistered motor vehicle---both specify NON-CRIMINAL penalties

[Down Sized]

:popcorn:Another Round!!

[golfing eagles]

:popcorn:Another Round!!

Are there 15 of them? and are they scored on a 10 point must system by 3 judges?:1rotfl:

[bagboy]

Now that makes sense.
The "criminal charge" still makes no sense---see my posts about Florida law on golf carts using public roads and also the penalty for an unregistered motor vehicle---both specify NON-CRIMINAL penalties

I think maybe the criminal citation part of this could have mostly been aimed at people who steal cars, sell or buy unregistered vehicles, people avoiding their insurance responsibility, etc. And maybe the golf carts got caught in the middle. Alot of maybe here as I really don't know. Bottom line is, keep the cart at 20 mph and no worries.

[golfing eagles]

I think maybe the criminal citation part of this could have mostly been aimed at people who steal cars, sell or buy unregistered vehicles, people avoiding their insurance responsibility, etc. And maybe the golf carts got caught in the middle. Alot of maybe here as I really don't know. Bottom line is, keep the cart at 20 mph and no worries.

I don't know either, but what I posted was all I could find on line. It just doesn't make sense to me that a person could intentionally not register their auto, drive down Hillsborough trail at 59 mph and walk away with nothing but a fistful of tickets, but God forbid someone drives their perfectly legal golf cart 21 mph on the same road and gets a CRIMINAL offense--stranger things have happened, but if true, there is absolutely no equity in that situation, and laws are written and courts generally try to decide on the basis of equity

[tomwed]

try this:
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.212.html)
thank-you
It's too cloudy and hard for me to understand.

[golfing eagles]

thank-you
It's too cloudy and hard for me to understand.

Written by lawyers--that explains it all

[tuccillo]

I believe a criminal offense is essentially anything that is not a civil offense. This includes felonies, misdemeanors, and infractions. You don't go to jail for a speeding ticket, which is a criminal offense.

I don't know either, but what I posted was all I could find on line. It just doesn't make sense to me that a person could intentionally not register their auto, drive down Hillsborough trail at 59 mph and walk away with nothing but a fistful of tickets, but God forbid someone drives their perfectly legal golf cart 21 mph on the same road and gets a CRIMINAL offense--stranger things have happened, but if true, there is absolutely no equity in that situation, and laws are written and courts generally try to decide on the basis of equity

[Sandtrap328]

Why not just say it is not legal to drive a golf cart faster than 20 mph on a public road or street?

The golf cart cannot be driven on a street that has a speed limit of higher than 30 mph. The LSV cannot be driven on streets with speed limits of more than 35 mph and the LSV has a speed limit of 25 mph. LSV must have insurance, safety check, and license plate.

Easy enough?

I am sure the guy who passed me with his golf cart will be getting his speed tuned down in his cart - and pay a hefty fine.

[Fredwms]

My understanding is you can be arrested if you are riding a bicycle under the influence. My son was arrested for a DUI riding an ATV off road.

[Topspinmo]

I recently had work done by TV Golf Cart store in Brownwood. As part of the paperwork they ask you to sign a statement that if your cart exceeds 22 mph they will lower it to 22 mph. There is also a line where you can refuse that.

Just had may cart serviced and signed statement saying the cart cant exceed 20 MPH. My cart was verified at 20.3 MPH. But, If I going down hill it will speed up to 22.4 MPH depending on how steep the slop is. Been articles in the paper and on village new channel about warnings for illegally tampered with carts exceeding 20 MPH. I figure I can have lots of fun with 6 or 700 bucks than give it to the courts. So, I never go over 20 MPH even down hill.

[blueash]

Now that makes sense.
The "criminal charge" still makes no sense---see my posts about Florida law on golf carts using public roads and also the penalty for an unregistered motor vehicle---both specify NON-CRIMINAL penalties

Here is the applicable law
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0320/0320.html)

320.57 Penalties for violations of this chapter.—
(1) Any person convicted of violating any of the provisions of this chapter is, unless otherwise provided herein, guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

you cannot look at the rules for a golf cart in this situation. Once the cart is able to go over 20 MPH it is not a golf cart but a LSV, if it can go over 25 MPH it is a motor vehicle. Both a LSV and motor vehicle must be fully licensed and insured with specified safety equipment. So the speeding golf cart fails to satisfy many Florida rules for LSVs and motor vehicles. The specified penalty in S. 775.082 is
b) For a misdemeanor of the second degree, by a definite term of imprisonment not exceeding 60 days.

[jflynn1]

From first hand experience it is a felony.
You are ticketed for driving an unregistered motor vehicle.
You do have to appear in court before the judge.
You will be fined 500.00 Plus court costs plus you will be placed on probation, unless you visit the probation officers office and pay them a fee I believe it was $50.00 for the day you were on probation for in CASH. NO Checks, No Credit Cards etc.

If you do not have the cash you can walk down to the gas station and purchase a money order for the correct amount and pay with the probation money order.

The gas station does not take checks they do take credit cards.

If you do not Pay the fee for being on probation it is $50.00 per day until you pay it or until your probation time is up to get off probation and have the felony expunged from your record.

Plus you need to bring proof that you have had the cart adjusted so that it will not go more than 20 MPH.

I am sure many people like me were sold Golf carts and paid extra to have the high speed transmission included without knowing or being told :bigbow:about this law.

[Fraugoofy]

I appreciate everyone's feedback. Rest assured, I am going to TV golf cart service center first thing in the morning to have the cart speed lowered to meet the regulations! Thanks again!!

[Topspinmo]

Why not just say it is not legal to drive a golf cart faster than 20 mph on a public road or street?

The golf cart cannot be driven on a street that has a speed limit of higher than 30 mph. The LSV cannot be driven on streets with speed limits of more than 35 mph and the LSV has a speed limit of 25 mph. LSV must have insurance, safety check, and license plate.

Easy enough?

I am sure the guy who passed me with his golf cart will be getting his speed tuned down in his cart - and pay a hefty fine.

Only if he gets caught!

[golfing eagles]

From first hand experience it is a felony.
You are ticketed for driving an unregistered motor vehicle.
You do have to appear in court before the judge.
You will be fined 500.00 Plus court costs plus you will be placed on probation, unless you visit the probation officers office and pay them a fee I believe it was $50.00 for the day you were on probation for in CASH. NO Checks, No Credit Cards etc.

If you do not have the cash you can walk down to the gas station and purchase a money order for the correct amount and pay with the probation money order.

The gas station does not take checks they do take credit cards.

If you do not Pay the fee for being on probation it is $50.00 per day until you pay it or until your probation time is up to get off probation and have the felony expunged from your record.

Plus you need to bring proof that you have had the cart adjusted so that it will not go more than 20 MPH.

I am sure many people like me were sold Golf carts and paid extra to have the high speed transmission included without knowing or being told :bigbow:about this law.

So, in other words, you are saying that by driving a golf cart at 21 mph you are guilty of a felony for unregistered motor vehicle. But if you INTENTIONALLY don't register your automobile, you get a ticket(infraction) for an unregistered motor vehicle? That just doesn't make any sense
There are about 40 pages in sec 320, the penalty in section 320.57 does not apply to the whole section--in fact, you only copied the first half of sec 320.57 in your post, the second half refers to a fine
I once was stopped for an expired registration (in NY, not FL). I got a ticket, but if I sent in proof of registration within 10 days the court would void it. If not, there was a $35 fine and inability to drive the vehicle until it was registered. State laws differ, but a FELONY in Florida???? I still have my doubts
Any lawyers out there that would like to clarify this???

[tuccillo]

Your other option is to drive at 20 mph or below on the roads, assuming you have a speedometer. From a pragmatic point of view, the only evidence that your cart is capable of exceeding 20 mph is if you are caught exceeding 20 mph.

I appreciate everyone's feedback. Rest assured, I am going to TV golf cart service center first thing in the morning to have the cart speed lowered to meet the regulations! Thanks again!!

[Sandtrap328]

Only if he gets caught!

Please re-read my post 7. He did get caught.

[tomwed]

Your other option is to drive at 20 mph or below on the roads, assuming you have a speedometer. From a pragmatic point of view, the only evidence that your cart is capable of exceeding 20 mph is if you are caught exceeding 20 mph.
I heard [so this makes it suspicious already] that if your cart can go over 20 mph your insurance doesn't cover any accidents. Wouldn't your cart be tested if there was an accident?

[golfing eagles]

I heard [so this makes it suspicious already] that if your cart can go over 20 mph your insurance doesn't cover any accidents. Wouldn't your cart be tested if there was an accident?

My car can go over 70 mph, does that mean I'm not covered if I go faster?

[tomwed]

My car can go over 70 mph, does that mean I'm not covered if I go faster?
All cars can go over 70 mph.

Somehow I think golf carts have different rules. I do follow your logic. I can see someone in authority saying that the reason the accident was so damaging was because the person was in a cart that was going 30 mph.
If the cart owner says that's impossible since the cart can only go 21 mph that would be the easier defense.

[outlaw]

I heard [so this makes it suspicious already] that if your cart can go over 20 mph your insurance doesn't cover any accidents. Wouldn't your cart be tested if there was an accident?

Your insurance company might try that to get out of paying a claim. But unless excessive speed over the 20 mph limit was proven to be a significant contributor to the accident or the damage, they would probably still be on the hook, imo.

[tuccillo]

I don't know the answer to that. It isn't clear to me that a claim could be denied based on a capability (being able to exceed 20 mph). Probably a question for a lawyer.

I heard [so this makes it suspicious already] that if your cart can go over 20 mph your insurance doesn't cover any accidents. Wouldn't your cart be tested if there was an accident?

[lknight33]

The easiest way to get all the correct information is to attend the Golf Cart Safety seminar the villages runs. They have all the County Sheriffs, insurance company and golf cart dealer give you all the facts. Not sure how often its offered, probably monthly.

[GaryW]

Golf Cart and LSV Questions & Answers - Golf Cart Safety (http://www.golfcartsafety.com/questions-answers)

[tomwed]

Golf Cart and LSV Questions & Answers - Golf Cart Safety (http://www.golfcartsafety.com/questions-answers)
"Can I modify my cart for use at a higher speed?

Although it is possible to modify a gasoline-powered golf cart through its speed governor to go faster, it is not recommended and is unlawful. By law, golf carts are only allowed to operate at a top speed of 20 mph or less. You could risk a traffic citation for operating a motor vehicle without registration. Additionally, your insurance company might decide to deny paying for damage you cause if you modify your golf cart. Manufacturers generally design golf carts for use at speeds of less than twenty (20) miles per hour. Any additional speed can increase the risk of rollover or vehicle instability, especially during a sharp turn."

Golf Cart and LSV Questions & Answers - Golf Cart Safety (http://www.golfcartsafety.com/questions-answers#q_gc_5)

[it's a minor point but can't you copy and paste an excerpt if you provide the source like i just did? that's not plagiarism is it?]

[tuccillo]

An important question (to me anyway) is whether the law is violated by possessing a golf cart that can exceed 20 MPH (a capability) or only by actually exceeding a speed of 20 MPH.

"Can I modify my cart for use at a higher speed?

Although it is possible to modify a gasoline-powered golf cart through its speed governor to go faster, it is not recommended and is unlawful. By law, golf carts are only allowed to operate at a top speed of 20 mph or less. You could risk a traffic citation for operating a motor vehicle without registration. Additionally, your insurance company might decide to deny paying for damage you cause if you modify your golf cart. Manufacturers generally design golf carts for use at speeds of less than twenty (20) miles per hour. Any additional speed can increase the risk of rollover or vehicle instability, especially during a sharp turn."

Golf Cart and LSV Questions & Answers - Golf Cart Safety (http://www.golfcartsafety.com/questions-answers#q_gc_5)

[it's a minor point but can't you copy and paste an excerpt if you provide the source like i just did? that's not plagiarism is it?]

[tomwed]

An important question (to me anyway) is whether the law is violated by possessing a golf cart that can exceed 20 MPH (a capability) or only by actually exceeding a speed of 20 MPH.
The page quoted has a contact phone number.
The phone number is also for the Personal Injury Lawyer The Villages, Florida | Tim Babiarz ...
Personal Injury Lawyer – The Villages, Florida | Tim Babiarz Law Firm, PA (http://www.babiarzlawfirm.com/)
Phone: Ex:352-205-7599, Incident Date: Ex:12-20-10 .... Babiarz Law Firm, P.A. | 13710 US Hwy 441, Suite 100 | The Villages, FL 32159 | Phone 352-205-7599.

I know that doesn't answer your question. It's a great question.

[Sandtrap328]

I would venture to guess that IF you have a golf cart that is capable of exceeding 20 mph - you WILL drive it at speeds over 20 mph.

[tuccillo]

That is the exact same situation as with a car. We all possess cars that have the capability to go in excess of the legal speed limit in every state. My question still stands; are golf carts fundamentally different than cars with regards to the legality of their capabilities.

I would venture to guess that IF you have a golf cart that is capable of exceeding 20 mph - you WILL drive it at speeds over 20 mph.

[tomwed]

The site mentioned above says if it can go over 20 mph it's an LSV. If it's an LSV it needs to be registered and insured.

A car that can go over all the road speed limits does not turn it into a different type of vehicle with a different set of rules.

That's the rub.

It reminds me of a moped. If a 2 wheeled vehicle can be peddled home with the motor off it's a moped not a scooter or motorcycle. I think I remember that correctly.

[biker1]

Good point, thanks.

The site mentioned above says if it can go over 20 mph it's an LSV. If it's an LSV it needs to be registered and insured.

A car that can go over all the road speed limits does not turn it into a different type of vehicle with a different set of rules.

That's the rub.

It reminds me of a moped. If a 2 wheeled vehicle can be peddled home with the motor off it's a moped not a scooter or motorcycle. I think I remember that correctly.

[Sandtrap328]

The site mentioned above says if it can go over 20 mph it's an LSV. If it's an LSV it needs to be registered and insured.

A car that can go over all the road speed limits does not turn it into a different type of vehicle with a different set of rules.

That's the rub.

It reminds me of a moped. If a 2 wheeled vehicle can be peddled home with the motor off it's a moped not a scooter or motorcycle. I think I remember that correctly.

Tell it to the judge! :beer3:

[tomwed]

Tell it to the judge! :beer3:
Tell what to the judge?
It's a moped and not a motorcycle?
or
It's not an LSV it's a golf cart that goes over 20 mph?
or
Maybe I read it on a website and not from a .gov site that cites the law?

I think everyone is asking questions and seeking clarification so they never need to talk to a judge. I wish a judge would chime in.

or maybe you meant this is a good time to have a beer.
I'll drink to that.

[outlaw]

You are not required to register an LSV if you use it as a golf cart. You are only required to register an LSV if you want to drive your cart on public roads as if it is a car.

[golfing eagles]

You are not required to register an LSV if you use it as a golf cart. You are only required to register an LSV if you want to drive your cart on public roads as if it is a car.

But wouldn't that include all the residential roads in TV?

[bimmertl]

You are not required to register an LSV if you use it as a golf cart. You are only required to register an LSV if you want to drive your cart on public roads as if it is a car.

If you get stopped going more than 20mph you'll get a ticket for an unregistered vehicle. Here's another quote from the recent Daily Sun article. "Golf carts driving more than 20mph must be registered as a street-legal golf cart, or low-speed vehicle, which is why regular golf carts caught speeding receive a heftier citation." You can't just "claim" it's not an LSV because you use it as a golf cart.

Is it really that hard to understand? You can argue all you want that it doesn't make sense but that's the way the law is written. Post #45 on this thread gives a first hand experience of what happens.

[golfing eagles]

If you get stopped going more than 20mph you'll get a ticket for an unregistered vehicle. Here's another quote from the recent Daily Sun article. "Golf carts driving more than 20mph must be registered as a street-legal golf cart, or low-speed vehicle, which is why regular golf carts caught speeding receive a heftier citation." You can't just "claim" it's not an LSV because you use it as a golf cart.

Is it really that hard to understand? You can argue all you want that it doesn't make sense but that's the way the law is written. Post #45 on this thread gives a first hand experience of what happens.

that's the way the law is written--looks that way
it doesn't make sense---that's certainly true

So now, here could be the unintended consequences of this idiotic "law"--

Any of the golf cart drivers who have a proclivity to speed or perceive themselves to be late, will stay at 20 and under on the public roads and diamond lanes, which are relatively safe. Then, they will try to make up time and get on the less safe, private property MMPs and run the Indy 500 to the detriment of the rest of us. Another example of bureaucrats and legislators having no sense of the real world.

[bagboy]

If you get stopped going more than 20mph you'll get a ticket for an unregistered vehicle. Here's another quote from the recent Daily Sun article. "Golf carts driving more than 20mph must be registered as a street-legal golf cart, or low-speed vehicle, which is why regular golf carts caught speeding receive a heftier citation." You can't just "claim" it's not an LSV because you use it as a golf cart.

Is it really that hard to understand? You can argue all you want that it doesn't make sense but that's the way the law is written. Post #45 on this thread gives a first hand experience of what happens.

Correct. Should be period...end of story. But,.....

[cromlich]

It sounds as though The Villlages Golf Cart store is not only covering their behinds in case of an issue of a "speeder" saying "I bought the cart from this store and I didn't know" as well as doing the proper thing.

Yesterday, I was in my cart on Morse going my 20 mph and another cart passes me and he was going about 30 (I guess) - he went out of the cart lane, of course. I bet he wishes that he had checked the surroundings. He had pulled out right in front of a Sumter County police car to pass me! YEP, he got pulled over immediately.

Figure around $500 for that mistake!

I know someone personally that got pulled over for speeding on Bailey and it is a felony. He even had to buy his way off of probation. His ticket cost him in excess of $900, he had to get his golf cart modified before the hearing and show proof it had been modified. The ticket was for driving an unregistered vehicle on the road or something like that. In other words it was not "street legal" and tagged with a license plate. It can be extremely expensive and as someone else said.....do not show up in court in shorts....come dressed as if you are going to church. All of the golf cart stores and repair businesses were sent letters that modifying golf carts to exceed the 19.5 miles an hour is illegal. It was a warning of things to come. We're all retired and where do we have to get so fast? Safety first.

[OhioBuckeye]

To put it in a nutshell Fraugoofy, it's a felony because the roads here in the Villages don't belong to The Villages, they're county roads & when you're speeding you're pick up because you're driving a vehicle without a license plate, so you're breaking the law because you don't have a plate on a motorize vehicle. That would be like you would be driving your car in The Villages, even if you didn't ever take your car out of The Villages.

[outlaw]

I don't think it's a felony on the MMPs, since they are not public roadways.

[outlaw]

There are many Parcars (LSV) in TV that are not licensed and are capable of going over 20 mph. They are also allowed on the MMPs and golf courses. They have a VIN, so they are capable of being registered and licensed. There are also GEMs(LSV) that drive on the MMPs. There really is a lot of grey area in the whole LSV arena.

[fred53]

There are many Parcars (LSV) in TV that are not licensed and are capable of going over 20 mph. They are also allowed on the MMPs and golf courses. They have a VIN, so they are capable of being registered and licensed. There are also GEMs(LSV) that drive on the MMPs. There really is a lot of grey area in the whole LSV arena.

about vehicles being altered it would be someone who has altered their vehicle illegally....

[Walter123]

There are many Parcars (LSV) in TV that are not licensed and are capable of going over 20 mph. They are also allowed on the MMPs and golf courses. They have a VIN, so they are capable of being registered and licensed. There are also GEMs(LSV) that drive on the MMPs. There really is a lot of grey area in the whole LSV arena.

Don't know why you would single out Parcars and Gems. Any cart is capable of being modified.

[bob13]

My car can probably go around 100 but I don't go that fast. Use the same logic for your cart. Sometimes you need extra speed to pass safely or go up a hill. Just use your head and the cops won't bother you.

[MrRich]

I was chatting with my neighbor today who informed me that if I get stopped for speeding in my golf cart on the road (not on the cart path) that I could be charged with a felony if my cart speed is set to go over 20 miles per hour. Can anyone shed some light on this? I mean I find it hard to believe that it could be a felony that my golf cart is set at 25 miles per hour. I do realize the speed limit is 20 mph and I rarely go over that, but my cart is set to a higher speed just because I bought the cart used and never changed the speed on the engine. I want to know if it anyone can share FACTS in relation to speed violations and a felony charge in the State of Florida. Thanks for the insight. Rae
What your friend is referring to is more than likely the fact that speeding in your golf cart on the road will subject you to criminal charges but I believe it is a misdemeanor. Once you exceed the permitted speed of 20 mph, you then become a motor vehicle. Once that occurs, aside from the litany of charges such as no seat belts, no windshield wipers, likely no insurance, you will be charged with operating an unregistered vehicle on the roadways of Florida. That, my friend, is a criminal offense in the state of Florida. Even more interesting is the fact that if you are a Canadian, you can be barred from reentering the country because of the criminal conviction. So, what's the hurry? Slow down. Besides, do you want to be involved in a crash in a speeding golf cart? A few pieces of plastic protecting you. Crazy.

[Dave@TV]

Although people in the United States are entitled to privacy and freedom from government intrusion, there is a limit to that privacy. State or federal police officers are allowed, where justified, to search your premises, car, or other property in order to look for and seize illegal items, stolen goods or evidence of a crime. DUI is a crime, therefore the police have the authority to make an arrest. Also, the owner/person responsible for the "private property" may give the police permission to conduct searches on that property.

[MDLNB]

Florida statute 316.212 Operation of golf carts on certain roadways

After several pages of do's and don'ts,

Paragraph 9 reads:
(9) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable pursuant to chapter 318 as a moving violation for infractions of subsections (1)-(5) or a local ordinance corresponding thereto and enacted pursuant to subsection (8), or punishable pursuant to chapter 318 as a nonmoving violation for infractions of subsection (6), subsection (7), or a local ordinance corresponding thereto and enacted pursuant to subsection (8).

So, no "felony", no "criminal charges", but probably a good sized fine and maybe points on your license depending on whether you get a moving or non-moving citation (and what you plea bargain it down to)

I would think that there would NOT be points awarded on your license because no license is required to operate a golf cart. I could be wrong, but if so, then what happens to the 14 year old violator?

[Chatbrat]

Under 14 year old driving a golf cart, will get points and have their license suspended when they decide to get one--the offense will follow them--its part of their driving record. The person allowing them to drive will face criminal charges

[maxxkie]

very simple
you break the law, you pay
you hurt someone. you pay DEARLY

[tomwed]

I would think that there would NOT be points awarded on your license because no license is required to operate a golf cart. I could be wrong, but if so, then what happens to the 14 year old violator?
I think they post pone issuing his drivers license or could postpone it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[outlaw]

Making a felon out of someone driving a golf cart over 20 mph shows just how oppressive our government and laws have become. What an indictment of the system. I'm surprised it isn't a felony for a bicyclist to go 25 mph on an "unregistered" bicycle. But maybe that is coming. After all, registration translates into revenue.

[golfing eagles]

Making a felon out of someone driving a golf cart over 20 mph shows just how oppressive our government and laws have become. What an indictment of the system. I'm surprised it isn't a felony for a bicyclist to go 25 mph on an "unregistered" bicycle. But maybe that is coming. After all, registration translates into revenue.

:agree:
I have no reason in general to drive a golf cart over 20 mph. But we also know there are times you need to accelerate to avoid a problem, just as there are times you need to brake. If a cart can NEVER go over 20, it may create the very safety issue the law is trying to avoid. The same applies to autos---I don't think the highways would be safer if you could never accelerate out of danger. This means there will be those who abuse the extra horsepower, but that's what the police are for. It is highly unlikely that any LEO will cite you when he sees the circumstances that caused you to briefly exceed the speed limit.

[yabbadu]

:agree:
I have no reason in general to drive a golf cart over 20 mph. But we also know there are times you need to accelerate to avoid a problem, just as there are times you need to brake. If a cart can NEVER go over 20, it may create the very safety issue the law is trying to avoid. The same applies to autos---I don't think the highways would be safer if you could never accelerate out of danger. This means there will be those who abuse the extra horsepower, but that's what the police are for. It is highly unlikely that any LEO will cite you when he sees the circumstances that caused you to briefly exceed the speed limit.

Well said..........Thank You for your logic........

[graciegirl]

:agree:
I have no reason in general to drive a golf cart over 20 mph. But we also know there are times you need to accelerate to avoid a problem, just as there are times you need to brake. If a cart can NEVER go over 20, it may create the very safety issue the law is trying to avoid. The same applies to autos---I don't think the highways would be safer if you could never accelerate out of danger. This means there will be those who abuse the extra horsepower, but that's what the police are for. It is highly unlikely that any LEO will cite you when he sees the circumstances that caused you to briefly exceed the speed limit.



Agree with your common sense approach to this and many issues.

[livsea2]

If you are clocked going more than 20 mph, you will get a citation for driving a non registered vehicle, which is a criminal offense, said Katrina Berardi, deputy clerk with the Sumter County Clerk of Courts."


How can you get cited for driving a "non-registered vehicle" when these vehicles are not required to be registered???
Are you referring to a LSV on regular roads as opposed to and unregistered golf cart?

Easy...once you modify it to go over 20 MPH you are required to register it as a low speed vehicle, it is no longer considered a golf cart by law.

[Walter123]

:agree:
I have no reason in general to drive a golf cart over 20 mph. But we also know there are times you need to accelerate to avoid a problem, just as there are times you need to brake. If a cart can NEVER go over 20, it may create the very safety issue the law is trying to avoid. The same applies to autos---I don't think the highways would be safer if you could never accelerate out of danger. This means there will be those who abuse the extra horsepower, but that's what the police are for. It is highly unlikely that any LEO will cite you when he sees the circumstances that caused you to briefly exceed the speed limit.

You can believe that if you want. I don't. If your golf cart is capable of speeding then you deserve a fine. I don't care what the circumstances are and neither should a cop.

[livsea2]

What many don't realize is the reason law enforcement doesn't want golf carts traveling at speeds in excess of 20 MPH is safety related. Our carts ARE NOT golf carts. The majority are modified with high speed gears and larger tires so they can exceed the speed the were designed for 13 MPH. These carts were not built for higher speeds so we are required by law to not exceed 20 MPH. If you do exceed the safe operating speeds you are endangering yourself and others.

[golfing eagles]

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You can believe that if you want. I don't. If your golf cart is capable of speeding then you deserve a fine. I don't care what the circumstances are and neither should a cop.

Just remember that when I'm able to avoid hitting you by going 21 mph for 5 seconds

[bimmertl]

Just remember that when I'm able to avoid hitting you by going 21 mph for 5 seconds

Be sure to post immediately the day that happens. We'll all be waiting with bated breath.

[golfing eagles]

Be sure to post immediately the day that happens. We'll all be waiting with bated breath.

count on it (and yes, I understood the sarcasm)

[Fraugoofy]

Thanks again everyone for all of the insight. My cart is now in complete compliance! Happy driving!

[tomwed]

:agree:
I have no reason in general to drive a golf cart over 20 mph. But we also know there are times you need to accelerate to avoid a problem, just as there are times you need to brake. If a cart can NEVER go over 20, it may create the very safety issue the law is trying to avoid. The same applies to autos---I don't think the highways would be safer if you could never accelerate out of danger. This means there will be those who abuse the extra horsepower, but that's what the police are for. It is highly unlikely that any LEO will cite you when he sees the circumstances that caused you to briefly exceed the speed limit.
That's the problem. We don't nor do we want [IMO] to invest in a traffic police force for golf carts. It would be very expensive. IMO 20 mph is not the perfect solution. It has it's faults that you pointed out but it's the best solution. Experts are saying over 20 mph and the cart becomes unwieldy. If you set the limit to 18 mph than you have your extra 2 mph to accelerate out of an accident. I don't see that as a working solution. Where do you draw the line?

[Walter123]

Just remember that when I'm able to avoid hitting you by going 21 mph for 5 seconds

That's just silly talk.

[golfing eagles]

That's just silly talk.

Really?? I've never had that experience in a golf cart, but have on several occasions avoided some idiot that shot out of a side street by accelerating past them when I could never stop in time. I'm glad to have avoided an accident by being "silly"

[outlaw]

Really?? I've never had that experience in a golf cart, but have on several occasions avoided some idiot that shot out of a side street by accelerating past them when I could never stop in time. I'm glad to have avoided an accident by being "silly"

GE. I get what you're saying. That happens occasionally on a motorcycle. We are actually taught maneuvers without braking to avoid an accident that otherwise would not be avoided with braking. But I have to raise the BS flag on this one. There is virtually no situation a golf cart accelerating one or two mph is going to prevent an accident where slamming on the brakes would not prevent this accident. There is just too much distance that would be required to make a 1 or 2 mph increase in speed amount to the length of a golf cart. On the other hand, I think it is ridiculous to claim a golf cart going 22 mph is any more unsafe, measurably, than a 20 mph golf cart.

[golfing eagles]

GE. I get what you're saying. That happens occasionally on a motorcycle. We are actually taught maneuvers without braking to avoid an accident that otherwise would not be avoided with braking. But I have to raise the BS flag on this one. There is virtually no situation a golf cart accelerating one or two mph is going to prevent an accident where slamming on the brakes would not prevent this accident. There is just too much distance that would be required to make a 1 or 2 mph increase in speed amount to the length of a golf cart. On the other hand, I think it is ridiculous to claim a golf cart going 22 mph is any more unsafe, measurably, than a 20 mph golf cart.

Probably true, but remember the other cart is slow also, and a cart is shorter than a car. I think it would take a physicist and a mathematician to figure out if the two situations are the same or by how much they differ. I think the more valid point made so far is in regards to the stability of a golf cart above a certain speed--be it 13 mph or 20 mph. My opinion is that those stability issues apply more to the terrain of a golf course--hills, grass, etc than to a paved roadway---unlike some SUVs and off road vehicles, I don't think a golf cart is all that top-heavy

[biker1]

Clearly this thread has degenerated into people just contradicting each other. I suggest the thread be closed as nothing new is being posted. However, I do predict another round of responses to my suggestion that the thread be closed.

Probably true, but remember the other cart is slow also, and a cart is shorter than a car. I think it would take a physicist and a mathematician to figure out if the two situations are the same or by how much they differ. I think the more valid point made so far is in regards to the stability of a golf cart above a certain speed--be it 13 mph or 20 mph. My opinion is that those stability issues apply more to the terrain of a golf course--hills, grass, etc than to a paved roadway---unlike some SUVs and off road vehicles, I don't think a golf cart is all that top-heavy

[golfing eagles]

Clearly this thread has degenerated into people just contradicting each other. I suggest the thread be closed as nothing new is being posted. However, I do predict another round of responses to my suggestion that the thread be closed.

Not a bad idea. But as a final thought, my point has been that it cannot hurt to have "something in reserve" in case of emergency, even if you never intend to use it. That could be horse power in your vehicle, cash reserve in the bank, water and canned food for a hurricane, or a flashlight for a power outage. I just think it is just common sense, obviously others disagree

[outlaw]

Probably true, but remember the other cart is slow also, and a cart is shorter than a car. I think it would take a physicist and a mathematician to figure out if the two situations are the same or by how much they differ. I think the more valid point made so far is in regards to the stability of a golf cart above a certain speed--be it 13 mph or 20 mph. My opinion is that those stability issues apply more to the terrain of a golf course--hills, grass, etc than to a paved roadway---unlike some SUVs and off road vehicles, I don't think a golf cart is all that top-heavy

Assuming a scenario where you can avoid a collision by moving your golf cart just one cart length, an average speed increase of 1 mph (remember you have to accelerate to 22 mph), 5280 ft per mile, length of golf cart about 6 ft, ignore human reaction time, it works out to over 4 seconds to move one golf cart length. 4 seconds is a long time. Compare that to human reaction time of, oh let's say, 1 second. Going 20 mph, you would travel over 29 ft before you even started your evasive maneuver and began accelerating. And golf carts are quite unstable in quick turns at speed, even on level ground. Check out you tube if you want to see some crazy golf cart accidents.